Aside from that one throw Sanchez looked excellent - Page 5

AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite · 08-19-2012, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Kentucky Jet

But in fairness to the surrounding players, a great QB is supposed to elevate the play of those surrounding him. It just does not happen with the Jets! Unlike you, I do not care who the Jets QB is as long as he wins! This is about the TEAM and not hero worship!

Jesus dude... You've made this same post like 100 ****ing times... Stop.

Dunnie · 08-19-2012, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by copernicus

Mark Sanchez was most successful when the JETS actually surrounded him with talent. Woody, Fanaca, TRich, Braylon, Thomas Jones, all gone, all replaced with less talent

WHY HAVEN'T THE JETS CONTINUED TO SURROUND MARK SANCHEZ WITH TALENT ON OFFENSE????????

Maybe the "Head Coach" doesn't believe he will look like the great defensive mind that he is without ALL the talent being on DEFENSE?????

Great QBs are great regardless of players around them ...

Brady, Manning, Brees, Montana (KC), Young ... The parts around them switched to some degree and they still played great. The team might not have won .... But their play was consistent.

Untouchable · 08-19-2012, 03:19 PM

Pleased to meet you, Tyler Wilson.

Welcome to the NY Jets

Dunnie · 08-19-2012, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Untouchable

Pleased to meet you, Tyler Wilson.

Welcome to the NY Jets

Maybe we can rent a delorian for a day and bring the future him here for this season !

iahawkeyejet · 08-19-2012, 05:58 PM

I just rewatched the game, and while I may have not used the word excellent, outside the 1 horrible throw, Sanchez threw the ball well. The int was a very bad throw at a very bad time, a killer. His only other incompletion was a drop by Turner.

The amount of checkdowns was discouraging watching the game last night, but after watching it again, he didn't have much choice. The Giants were giving them that whenever they wated it, and were bottlig Hill and Keller all half. On the first Sanchez sack, they were taking a shot on 3rd and 3, and not one of the receivers beat his man of the bump at the line, at least initially.

It also appeared he spotted Powell beating hs man down the sideline on another play, only to be sacked almost instantly after Powell broke lose.

I'm not defending Mark, beucase the INT was a killer, just analyzing what my amateur eye saw. The Giants gave us whatever 3 yard pass we wanted, and dared Sancez to force something into something that wasn't there. He didn't, so that I'm ok with it, but our WR's need to get healthy, and get healthy fast, because the guys we are trotting out there right now are overmatched in what they are being asked to do.

Dunnie · 08-19-2012, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by iahawkeyejet

I just rewatched the game, and while I may have not used the word excellent, outside the 1 horrible throw, Sanchez threw the ball well. The int was a very bad throw at a very bad time, a killer. His only other incompletion was a drop by Turner.

Glad you liked his performance .... Out of curiosity ... How many passes of 15+ yards did he complete ?

copernicus · 08-19-2012, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Dunnie

Great QBs are great regardless of players around them ...

Brady, Manning, Brees, Montana (KC), Young ... The parts around them switched to some degree and they still played great. The team might not have won .... But their play was consistent.

I bet you not one of them ever had to play with a below average OLINE.

The parts around them switched to some degree but the talent never changed.

Brady-Moss/ Welker

Manning/ Harrison / Garson / Clark

Brees/ Colston / Meachem

Montana / Marcus Allen

Young /

Where exactly is the talent on offense that Mark Sanchez has played with constantly?

John_0515 · 08-19-2012, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by copernicus

I bet you not one of them ever had to play with a below average OLINE.

The parts around them switched to some degree but the talent never changed.

Brady-Moss/ Welker

Manning/ Harrison / Garson / Clark

Brees/ Colston / Meachem

Montana / Marcus Allen

Young / Rice

I don't disagree with the sentiment that great players often have a strong supporting cast around them, but did you really put Meachem and Garcon on that list?

How about Reggie Wayne and Edgerrin James?

Dunnie · 08-19-2012, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by copernicus

I bet you not one of them ever had to play with a below average OLINE.

The parts around them switched to some degree but the talent never changed.

Brady-Moss/ Welker

Manning/ Harrison / Garson / Clark

Brees/ Colston / Meachem

Montana / Marcus Allen

Young / Rice

Funny thing is .... I really want Sanchez to successful ... But like everyone else, my patience is waning ... That and Tebow has undeniable talent in some form ...

sec.101row23 · 08-19-2012, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by iahawkeyejet

I just rewatched the game, and while I may have not used the word excellent, outside the 1 horrible throw, Sanchez threw the ball well. The int was a very bad throw at a very bad time, a killer. His only other incompletion was a drop by Turner.

The amount of checkdowns was discouraging watching the game last night, but after watching it again, he didn't have much choice. The Giants were giving them that whenever they wated it, and were bottlig Hill and Keller all half. On the first Sanchez sack, they were taking a shot on 3rd and 3, and not one of the receivers beat his man of the bump at the line, at least initially.

It also appeared he spotted Powell beating hs man down the sideline on another play, only to be sacked almost instantly after Powell broke lose.

I'm not defending Mark, beucase the INT was a killer, just analyzing what my amateur eye saw. The Giants gave us whatever 3 yard pass we wanted, and dared Sancez to force something into something that wasn't there. He didn't, so that I'm ok with it, but our WR's need to get healthy, and get healthy fast, because the guys we are trotting out there right now are overmatched in what they are being asked to do.

Good analysis. They were beating the Jets O line with a 4 man rush. There are not many places to go with the ball when that happens. You either take a sack or force it somewhere it should not go.

iahawkeyejet · 08-19-2012, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Dunnie

Glad you liked his performance .... Out of curiosity ... How many passes of 15+ yards did he complete ?

0. If you read my entire first post, you would have saw why I think that was. Can't complete 15 yard passes when the receivers aren't open 15 yards down the field.

JB1089 · 08-19-2012, 06:44 PM

Does anyone have a snap count for Hill with the 1st team from yesterday.

From what I saw, Turner and White were 1 and 2 on the depth chart for last night's game.

sec.101row23 · 08-19-2012, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by JB1089

Does anyone have a snap count for Hill with the 1st team from yesterday.

From what I saw, Turner and White were 1 and 2 on the depth chart for last night's game.

I dont know the snap count but, I would much rather see Hill out there with Sanchez a lot more than Turner is.

SCITSCAT · 08-19-2012, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Scoop24

Meh I'm big Sanchez supporter he looked far from excellent . The kid is not throwing to his receivers for what ever reason. .

The Oline is horrible but the few times they did give time to throw it was a freaking check down ..

0 TD score in the 1st 2 preseason games where in for some serious trouble this season. at some point Sanchez is gonna have to realize its not gonna be perfect and he has to make plays.

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True, this team is weak in several areas. OL, RB, WR, and QB.

Sanchez is slow in processing what is happening. After wanting to pick him years ago, am thinking his arm is strong enough, he's tall enough, he's a good kid, but he can't think at the level of a NFL QB. His decision making is weak at best. Check down, step up into sacks multiple times. His job is to at least look through the progressions, he did not. His job is to not get sacked, there were opportunites to dump the ball, he did not. His interception was because he was late in deciding to make the throw, by the time he makes the pass, the DB has inside position on the pass. He has to make that throw at the time of the beat. WR had position, but Sanchez waits another second. That's a long time in the NFL!

Tebow thinks faster than Mark, but his arm is not good enough.

I would trade both Tebow and Sanchez for a QB with arm and quick reaction times.

JB1089 · 08-19-2012, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by copernicus

I bet you not one of them ever had to play with a below average OLINE.

The parts around them switched to some degree but the talent never changed.

Brady-Moss/ Welker

Manning/ Harrison / Garson / Clark

Brees/ Colston / Meachem

Montana / Marcus Allen

Young /

Where exactly is the talent on offense that Mark Sanchez has played with constantly?

Keller. That's it.

tedtedthefootballhead · 08-19-2012, 07:04 PM

Sanchez' play doesn't bother me. It's the rest of the offense that does.

It's gonna be a long season if they don't get this crap fixed quick.

JB1089 · 08-19-2012, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SCITSCAT

True, this team is weak in several areas. OL, RB, WR, and QB.

Sanchez is slow in processing what is happening. After wanting to pick him years ago, am thinking his arm is strong enough, he's tall enough, he's a good kid, but he can't think at the level of a NFL QB. His decision making is weak at best. Check down, step up into sacks multiple times. His job is to at least look through the progressions, he did not. His job is to not get sacked, there were opportunites to dump the ball, he did not. His interception was because he was late in deciding to make the throw, by the time he makes the pass, the DB has inside position on the pass. He has to make that throw at the time of the beat. WR had position, but Sanchez waits another second. That's a long time in the NFL!

Tebow thinks faster than Mark, but his arm is not good enough.

I would trade both Tebow and Sanchez for a QB with arm and quick reaction times.

Um, no. Tebow might process information slower than any other QB in the NFL right now. That's why he holds the ball longer than any QB in the NFL. Football Outsiders had an article from last year, the average "ball in hand" time was 2.9 seconds, Tebow was over 4 seconds, more than a second clear of the next QB on the list. Sanchez was right in the middle of the pack, I want to say 3.1 or 3.2 seconds.

Dunnie · 08-19-2012, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SCITSCAT

I would trade both Tebow and Sanchez for a QB with arm and quick reaction times.

A voice of reason has spoken !

Kentucky Jet · 08-19-2012, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by John_0515

I don't disagree with the sentiment that great players often have a strong supporting cast around them, but did you really put Meachem and Garcon on that list?

How about Reggie Wayne and Edgerrin James?

Actually GREAT players( QBs) elevate the game of their surrounding cast many, many times!

Charlie Brown · 08-19-2012, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by copernicus

I bet you not one of them ever had to play with a below average OLINE.

The parts around them switched to some degree but the talent never changed.

Brady-Moss/ Welker

Manning/ Harrison / Garson / Clark

Brees/ Colston / Meachem

Montana / Marcus Allen

Young /

Where exactly is the talent on offense that Mark Sanchez has played with constantly?

Thank you Cop!!!

How people can miss HOF caliber quality players who were with those QBs shows just how far the average fan has fallen...

FF run amuck!!!

08-19-2012, 03:19 PM	#83
Untouchable Hall Of Fame Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 22,407	Pleased to meet you, Tyler Wilson. Welcome to the NY Jets

08-19-2012, 05:58 PM	#85
iahawkeyejet On Iowa All League Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Iowa Posts: 3,651	I just rewatched the game, and while I may have not used the word excellent, outside the 1 horrible throw, Sanchez threw the ball well. The int was a very bad throw at a very bad time, a killer. His only other incompletion was a drop by Turner. The amount of checkdowns was discouraging watching the game last night, but after watching it again, he didn't have much choice. The Giants were giving them that whenever they wated it, and were bottlig Hill and Keller all half. On the first Sanchez sack, they were taking a shot on 3rd and 3, and not one of the receivers beat his man of the bump at the line, at least initially. It also appeared he spotted Powell beating hs man down the sideline on another play, only to be sacked almost instantly after Powell broke lose. I'm not defending Mark, beucase the INT was a killer, just analyzing what my amateur eye saw. The Giants gave us whatever 3 yard pass we wanted, and dared Sancez to force something into something that wasn't there. He didn't, so that I'm ok with it, but our WR's need to get healthy, and get healthy fast, because the guys we are trotting out there right now are overmatched in what they are being asked to do.

08-19-2012, 06:44 PM	#92
JB1089 Now is the time... All Pro Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 5,711	Does anyone have a snap count for Hill with the 1st team from yesterday. From what I saw, Turner and White were 1 and 2 on the depth chart for last night's game.

08-19-2012, 07:04 PM	#96
tedtedthefootballhead Are the J.E.T.S. ready for the next level? (Hopefully before I DIE) All League Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Windsor NJ, Brooklyn born & raised Posts: 4,966	Sanchez' play doesn't bother me. It's the rest of the offense that does. It's gonna be a long season if they don't get this crap fixed quick.