Brick is the most overrated player in the NFL. - Page 2

k.Rhodes25 · 08-19-2012, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DDNYjets

But he basically had a straight line to the QB and Sanchez had to step up. Osi got by him very early.

Ok, that happens all the time. If a DE tries to run around the OT you have to ride them out, the QB then steps into the pocket. Problem was that Hunter was spun around and JPP had a easy sack. He shouldn't have gotten beaten that badly inside.

BRONX JET · 08-19-2012, 05:13 PM

Brick had a bad year. It happens. The difference is he can bounce back. Hunter is a lost cause

iahawkeyejet · 08-19-2012, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DDNYjets

But he basically had a straight line to the QB and Sanchez had to step up. Osi got by him very early.

That is not a bad play by Ferguson at all. The QB had to step up, yes, but there is nothing wrong with stepping up in the pocket. Brick maintained the pocket by pushing the speed rush past the QB, whereas Hunter collasped the pocket by getting beat right through his chest. Even if the part with Ferguson didn't happen, the pocket still would have collapsed because of Hunter. If only Ferguson portion happens, Sanchez steps up into a clean pocket and has the time to get off the throw.

SDJETS · 08-19-2012, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by k.Rhodes25

Ok, that happens all the time. If a DE tries to run around the OT you have to ride them out, the QB then steps into the pocket. Problem was that Hunter was spun around and JPP had a easy sack. He shouldn't have gotten beaten that badly inside.

This. Brick could perhaps have given him an extra push before he got near to Sanchez, but he did exactly what he was supposed to.

Osi speed rushes the corner, Brick rides him to the outside, Sanchez sees it coming and does exactly what he needs to, which is to step up and get ready to throw. Had everything else gone the way it should, he'd have a pocket right there to throw, Osi is way beyond Sanchez and out of the play, and hopefully good things happen.

The problem is that as soon as Sanchez steps forward, from the opposite direction (and thus the side he isn't looking at as he steps away from Osi) he gets crushed because Hunter let JPP inside of him because he gets completely off balance and turned around by JPP's push, something Brick doesn't have happen. It would have been fine if Hunter kept JPP outside too, but, well, he stinks...

DDNYjets · 08-19-2012, 05:19 PM

I would like to see Brick provide more resistance on that play. IMO Osi got passed him too easy. I don't think Brick slowed him down nearly as much as he could have or should have. Osi still had a pretty much straight line to Sanchez which narrowed the pocket and that should never happen.

I understand QBs have to sometimes step up in the pocket and what Hunter did was worse b.c JPP got inside of him. And no matter what Brick did, Sanchez was likely still going to get sacked on that play b.c of Hunter.

Queens Jet Fan · 08-19-2012, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzzsaw

Yeah, of course, he also didn't have a TE next to him very often, which is a hindrance. He was awful in one-on-one pass blocking situations though, he got flat out beat way too often.

I'm sorry but I just don't remember so many one-on one failures by him. Did his man ever get to the QB? Yes, of course they did but would there be many of those sacks that were one on one instant beats of Ferguson? I don't think so.

Dunnie · 08-19-2012, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by k.Rhodes25

Nope, when a guy does a speed rush like that you are taught to ride him out. Brick rode him out where Osi couldn't make a play, it was Hunter's fault that was he spun around like that.

This guy gets it ... The amount of bs assessments of Brick's play is staggering. He did exactly what he was taught to do on that play. Direct the rush past the QB and out of play.

srobjets · 08-19-2012, 06:14 PM

He's Been over rated and over paid from day one. Why would you draft an undersized one dimensions left tackle? He has NW er been able to run block and now he can't pass block. What a f()cling waste of player. He Only got to start the pro bowl due to Jake long not wanting play.

SgtAshton · 08-19-2012, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by srobjets

He's Been over rated and over paid from day one. Why would you draft an undersized one dimensions left tackle? He has NW er been able to run block and now he can't pass block. What a f()cling waste of player. He Only got to start the pro bowl due to Jake long not wanting play.

Hes not Tony Boselli but damn dude.

bitonti · 08-19-2012, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DDNYjets

But he basically had a straight line to the QB and Sanchez had to step up. Osi got by him very early.

Brick did a textbook job of blocking on that play. There's nothing else Brick needs to do, Osi took a speed route and Brick took care of it.

Also it's possible Mark could have gotten rid of it. In general Sanchez needs to make quicker decisions. Tebow too. These guys are lounging back there.

Dunnie · 08-19-2012, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by srobjets

He's Been over rated and over paid from day one. Why would you draft an undersized one dimensions left tackle? He has NW er been able to run block and now he can't pass block. What a f()cling waste of player. He Only got to start the pro bowl due to Jake long not wanting play.

You, my friend, are an infant.

Brick is a stud.

Untouchable · 08-19-2012, 08:47 PM

Wayne Hunter is the epitome of dogsh*t and we don't have a legit QB on this roster...yet people are b*tching about our pro-bowl LT?

JETranger 206B · 08-19-2012, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzzsaw

He was horrible last year, just as bad as Hunter. He's never excelled at opening holes for the runningbacks, but he was at least very good in PP. Wasn't the case in 2011, many, many missed blocks and whiffs. Hope he bounces back this season.

+1

detectivekimble · 08-19-2012, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzzsaw

He was horrible last year, just as bad as Hunter. He's never excelled at opening holes for the runningbacks, but he was at least very good in PP. Wasn't the case in 2011, many, many missed blocks and whiffs. Hope he bounces back this season.

What? That's simply not true. Hunter was constantly beaten, constantly gave up pressures, hurries, hits, etc. Brick gave up a sack here and there, but he wasn't getting the QB pummeled every play. To say he was as bad as Hunter is just nuts.

sheastadiumjetfan · 08-19-2012, 10:30 PM

The poster's play and sack of QB is completely the fault of RT on this play. MS and Brick did their jobs. Brick continues to be a solid LT. Hunter flay out sucks

Timmy® · 08-20-2012, 06:56 AM

Faneca and Woody made Brick and Hunter look better. Hunter was actually ok
in the stretch run and playoffs a couple of years ago, with only a bad game or two

Brick has always been overrated. Great against mediocre defenses - horrible against solid ones.

Queens Jet Fan · 08-20-2012, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Timmy®

Faneca and Woody made Brick and Hunter look better. Hunter was actually ok
in the stretch run and playoffs a couple of years ago, with only a bad game or two

Brick has always been overrated. Great against mediocre defenses - horrible against solid ones.

Dwight Freeney says hello. D'Brick literally owned him when we played the Colts. D'Brick plays the elite pass rushers in the league nearly every game.

Ask them if they think he's overated.

08-19-2012, 05:19 PM	#25
DDNYjets Hall Of Fame Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: New York Posts: 12,566	I would like to see Brick provide more resistance on that play. IMO Osi got passed him too easy. I don't think Brick slowed him down nearly as much as he could have or should have. Osi still had a pretty much straight line to Sanchez which narrowed the pocket and that should never happen. I understand QBs have to sometimes step up in the pocket and what Hunter did was worse b.c JPP got inside of him. And no matter what Brick did, Sanchez was likely still going to get sacked on that play b.c of Hunter. Last edited by DDNYjets; 08-19-2012 at 05:22 PM.

08-19-2012, 05:13 PM	#22
BRONX JET Didn't hear a peep from a place called Queens All League Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Bronx, USA Posts: 3,072	Brick had a bad year. It happens. The difference is he can bounce back. Hunter is a lost cause

08-19-2012, 06:14 PM	#28
srobjets Veteran Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,466	He's Been over rated and over paid from day one. Why would you draft an undersized one dimensions left tackle? He has NW er been able to run block and now he can't pass block. What a f()cling waste of player. He Only got to start the pro bowl due to Jake long not wanting play.

08-19-2012, 08:47 PM	#32
Untouchable Big whoop, wanna fight about it? Hall Of Fame Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 22,473	Wayne Hunter is the epitome of dogsht and we don't have a legit QB on this roster...yet people are btching about our pro-bowl LT?

08-19-2012, 10:30 PM	#35
sheastadiumjetfan Undrafted Free Agent Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 165	The poster's play and sack of QB is completely the fault of RT on this play. MS and Brick did their jobs. Brick continues to be a solid LT. Hunter flay out sucks

08-20-2012, 06:56 AM	#36
Timmy® JI's own Reverend Jim. Hall Of Fame Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Vermont Posts: 23,684	Faneca and Woody made Brick and Hunter look better. Hunter was actually ok in the stretch run and playoffs a couple of years ago, with only a bad game or two Brick has always been overrated. Great against mediocre defenses - horrible against solid ones.