RT cut watch - bringing in guys

[Digetydog]

Just saw that the Seabags released Alex Barron - better that Hunter?

[Conkboy]

Penalty machine... Think of it like having Hunter but your QB doesn't get killed when you lose 10 yards on a pass play...

[LockeJET]

Originally Posted by Digetydog

Just saw that the Seabags released Alex Barron - better that Hunter?

Hunter is done! Is he better than Howard should be the question.

[Digetydog]

Originally Posted by LockeJET

Huner is done! Is he better than Howard should be the question.

If the Jets can get a starter off the cut list. ... Screwed!

[k.Rhodes25]

Barron is not worth bringing in, he is beyond awful. Rather go with Howard than get a guy we know is a liability.

[Digetydog]

Originally Posted by k.Rhodes25

Barron is not worth bringing in, he is beyond awful. Rather go with Howard than get a guy we know is a liability.

Just to be clear, I started the thread with the idea of looking at the RT's that become available.

Barron sat out last year with an injury and got cut early. Probably not even worth bringing in for a look.

[bitonti]

the guys that will be interesting when cut will be super raw and not able to help the team right away. for example Brandon Mosely might not make the Giants. But he's got less experience than Howard.

I maintain that the Jets Offensive line is easily top 10 if not top 5 in the league. If you don't believe me, look around. Arizona is a cluster-eff right now with Levi Brown out. Washington is starting Tyler Polumbus at right tackle (memba him?). Tampa Bay just lost Davin Joseph for the year and are replacing him with Ted Larsen.

My point is... it could be worse, alot worse than Brick, Mangold and Moore all Pro Bowlers in 2011. Howard or Hunter either way that player only has to do a decent job and the line is the best part of the Jets offense, by far. How many other parts of the team have 3 pro bowlers? The secondary maybe is the only unit that compares.

side note the Cleveland Browns actually have a really good young OL. their QB stinks so you wouldn't know it but Joe Thomas, Alex Mack etc that is a good unit. Just cause an offense stinks doesn't mean the line stinks too.

and before you say the Pro Bowl is worthless, remember it's 1/3 coaches, 1/3 players, 1/3 fans. It's far from perfect but it's usually a good measurement of who is good in the league.

[TheMo]

Originally Posted by bitonti

the guys that will be interesting when cut will be super raw and not able to help the team right away. for example Brandon Mosely might not make the Giants. But he's got less experience than Howard.

I maintain that the Jets Offensive line is easily top 10 if not top 5 in the league. If you don't believe me, look around. Arizona is a cluster-eff right now with Levi Brown out. Washington is starting Tyler Polumbus at right tackle (memba him?). Tampa Bay just lost Davin Joseph for the year and are replacing him with Ted Larsen.

My point is... it could be worse, alot worse than Brick, Mangold and Moore all Pro Bowlers in 2011. Howard or Hunter either way that player only has to do a decent job and the line is the best part of the Jets offense, by far. How many other parts of the team have 3 pro bowlers? The secondary maybe is the only unit that compares.

side note the Cleveland Browns actually have a really good young OL. their QB stinks so you wouldn't know it but Joe Thomas, Alex Mack etc that is a good unit. Just cause an offense stinks doesn't mean the line stinks too.

and before you say the Pro Bowl is worthless, remember it's 1/3 coaches, 1/3 players, 1/3 fans. It's far from perfect but it's usually a good measurement of who is good in the league.

The issue has become with the probowl now being before the superbowl, you have the starters of the playing teams getting taken out and being replaced. This isn't even counting guys who are rehabbing/don't wanna play. When someone comes in as the replacement's replacement you can't really use the probowl as an indication of worth.

[Megalomaniac]

Originally Posted by bitonti

the guys that will be interesting when cut will be super raw and not able to help the team right away. for example Brandon Mosely might not make the Giants. But he's got less experience than Howard.

I maintain that the Jets Offensive line is easily top 10 if not top 5 in the league. If you don't believe me, look around. Arizona is a cluster-eff right now with Levi Brown out. Washington is starting Tyler Polumbus at right tackle (memba him?). Tampa Bay just lost Davin Joseph for the year and are replacing him with Ted Larsen.

My point is... it could be worse, alot worse than Brick, Mangold and Moore all Pro Bowlers in 2011. Howard or Hunter either way that player only has to do a decent job and the line is the best part of the Jets offense, by far. How many other parts of the team have 3 pro bowlers? The secondary maybe is the only unit that compares.

side note the Cleveland Browns actually have a really good young OL. their QB stinks so you wouldn't know it but Joe Thomas, Alex Mack etc that is a good unit. Just cause an offense stinks doesn't mean the line stinks too.

and before you say the Pro Bowl is worthless, remember it's 1/3 coaches, 1/3 players, 1/3 fans. It's far from perfect but it's usually a good measurement of who is good in the league.

three great, and 1 good player on the OL means NOTHING if the 5th is absolutely dreadful. and hunter was that last year. at best, he was 3rd worst in the NFL. we don't know about howard, but whomever becomes the starting RT needs to be at least average for the OL as a group to be top 10.

[Digetydog]

Originally Posted by bitonti

the guys that will be interesting when cut will be super raw and not able to help the team right away. for example Brandon Mosely might not make the Giants. But he's got less experience than Howard.

I maintain that the Jets Offensive line is easily top 10 if not top 5 in the league. If you don't believe me, look around. Arizona is a cluster-eff right now with Levi Brown out. Washington is starting Tyler Polumbus at right tackle (memba him?). Tampa Bay just lost Davin Joseph for the year and are replacing him with Ted Larsen.

My point is... it could be worse, alot worse than Brick, Mangold and Moore all Pro Bowlers in 2011. Howard or Hunter either way that player only has to do a decent job and the line is the best part of the Jets offense, by far. How many other parts of the team have 3 pro bowlers? The secondary maybe is the only unit that compares.

side note the Cleveland Browns actually have a really good young OL. their QB stinks so you wouldn't know it but Joe Thomas, Alex Mack etc that is a good unit. Just cause an offense stinks doesn't mean the line stinks too.

and before you say the Pro Bowl is worthless, remember it's 1/3 coaches, 1/3 players, 1/3 fans. It's far from perfect but it's usually a good measurement of who is good in the league.

The idea that the Jets have a strong OL is simply false. In addition to a questionable starter at RT, the backups have very little in the way of experience or upside.

[Rexipus Rex]

Originally Posted by TheMo

The issue has become with the probowl now being before the superbowl, you have the starters of the playing teams getting taken out and being replaced. This isn't even counting guys who are rehabbing/don't wanna play. When someone comes in as the replacement's replacement you can't really use the probowl as an indication of worth.

Bingo

Garrard the Pro Bowl like two years ago. Andy friggin Dalton made it last year. If not for the horrendous final three games, Sanchez almost made it last year

[TheOne]

Originally Posted by k.Rhodes25

Barron is not worth bringing in, he is beyond awful. Rather go with Howard than get a guy we know is a liability.

Originally Posted by Digetydog

Just to be clear, I started the thread with the idea of looking at the RT's that become available.

Barron sat out last year with an injury and got cut early. Probably not even worth bringing in for a look.

is he really that bad? i havent seen him play
cant be worse than hunter

[Ray Ray19]

Originally Posted by Digetydog

The idea that the Jets have a strong OL is simply false. In addition to a questionable starter at RT, the backups have very little in the way of experience or upside.

4/5 of the current starting OL were in place when the Jets were #1 and #3 in rushing the football 2 and 3 years ago.

It is absolutely valid to say the Jets' issues on the OL are overblown and dramatized, and that the unit save RT is a strong unit.

And how can you say the Jets don't have depth players with upside in players like Ducasse and Schlauderauff? Most depth OL'n don't have experience, and it remains to be seen what moves the Jets make after final cuts this week.

[cant wait]

Originally Posted by TheOne

is he really that bad? i havent seen him play
cant be worse than hunter

hunter is realistically probably at least one of the top 5 worst OT's in the league. there's probably lot of backups that are definitely worse than that though

[k.Rhodes25]

Originally Posted by TheOne

is he really that bad? i havent seen him play
cant be worse than hunter

Yes he is that bad... Labor day weekend is the time to look for decent players getting cut, right now if you are cut you must be awful.

[Megalomaniac]

Originally Posted by Ray Ray19

4/5 of the current starting OL were in place when the Jets were #1 and #3 in rushing the football 2 and 3 years ago.

It is absolutely valid to say the Jets' issues on the OL are overblown and dramatized, and that the unit save RT is a strong unit.

And how can you say the Jets don't have depth players with upside in players like Ducasse and Schlauderauff? Most depth OL'n don't have experience, and it remains to be seen what moves the Jets make after final cuts this week.

bit said they are top 10, possibly top 5 as is. no mention of "outside of RT." unfortunately, you HAVE to factor in all 5 players. this isn't like grading the WR's as a group. you can ignore an awful player and just let them be a distraction on the field, but you cannot do that with the OL. they are a group, so unfortunately, that makes them a terrible OL. could it be worse? of course, we could have 5 wayne hunters starting. that would be worse. but that doesn't negate that they are a terrible OL until that 1 position is fixed.

[bgivs21]

Originally Posted by Ray Ray19

4/5 of the current starting OL were in place when the Jets were #1 and #3 in rushing the football 2 and 3 years ago.

It is absolutely valid to say the Jets' issues on the OL are overblown and dramatized, and that the unit save RT is a strong unit.

And how can you say the Jets don't have depth players with upside in players like Ducasse and Schlauderauff? Most depth OL'n don't have experience, and it remains to be seen what moves the Jets make after final cuts this week.

Gotta disagree with ya on this one. Most people seem to forget how bad brick was last year because he was overshadowed by Hunter being awful and mangold missing time.

Yes 4/5 of the line is still here, but that doesn't mean that the 4/5 are playing at the same level

[lamont_jordan_rules]

Originally Posted by Megalomaniac

three great, and 1 good player on the OL means NOTHING if the 5th is absolutely dreadful. and hunter was that last year. at best, he was 3rd worst in the NFL. we don't know about howard, but whomever becomes the starting RT needs to be at least average for the OL as a group to be top 10.

Exactly




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[Digetydog]

Originally Posted by bgivs21

Gotta disagree with ya on this one. Most people seem to forget how bad brick was last year because he was overshadowed by Hunter being awful and mangold missing time.

Yes 4/5 of the line is still here, but that doesn't mean that the 4/5 are playing at the same level

Exactly. They are older and more beat up. Good GM's understand that and gradually bring in guys to replace older players. Unfortunately, Tanny missed on Vlad and refused to use any other picks (or FA money) to fortify the line.

Even if Brick did make the Pro Bowl last year, that was probably a "reputation" vote rather than based upon his actual play.

[McGinley]

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