For value-Ryan Nassib is better than Matt Barkley

JStokes · 09-08-2012, 08:16 PM

Not impresses with Barkley--yeah, he had 6 TD passes but that was due to the USC receivers totally outclassing the the Cuse DBs and defense.

We need Sanchez to excel this year because Barkley doesn't look like an NFL star.

I'd take Nassib in the 3rd rather than take Barkley early in the 1st.

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FreemanMC · 09-08-2012, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JStokes

Not impresses with Barkley--yeah, he had 6 TD passes but that was due to the USC receivers totally outclassing the the Cuse DBs and defense.

We need Sanchez to excel this year because Barkley doesn't look like an NFL star.

I'd take Nassib in the 3rd rather than take Barkley early in the 1st.

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Pissed about the game? Gotta be. Because Barkley is good. Real good. Franchise-changing good.

eaglenj · 09-08-2012, 08:37 PM

Barkley is a franchise guy....mechanics, head, game feel, the whole deal.

Dreamers · 09-08-2012, 08:45 PM

I have pretty much hated every USC QB to come out in my lifetime. That said I would take Barkley #1 over all in any draft.

DDNYjets · 09-08-2012, 08:45 PM

Let's just hope Sanchez improves. I don't want to start over.

JetsfanfromtheBURGH · 09-08-2012, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by eaglenj

Barkley is a franchise guy....mechanics, head, game feel, the whole deal.

He looks like a clone of Sanchez.

JetsCrazey · 09-08-2012, 08:46 PM

Nassib is like Kellen Clemens. Great arm, but yet to learn the nuances of the game. Doesn't put touch on his short passes. Not a complete QB at this point.

adpz · 09-08-2012, 08:52 PM

Um, are you guys expecting us to go 1-15 or something?

Scoop24 · 09-08-2012, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by JetsfanfromtheBURGH

He looks like a clone of Sanchez.

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10PennyToColes87 · 09-08-2012, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DDNYjets

Let's just hope Sanchez improves. I don't want to start over.

I just don't want another USC quarterback.

eaglenj · 09-09-2012, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by JetsfanfromtheBURGH

He looks like a clone of Sanchez.

How so? Barkely is extremely fundamentally sound and I believe will come out of school as a 4 year starter with much better numbers (comp% mainly) then sanchez.

JetsfanfromtheBURGH · 09-09-2012, 07:34 AM

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How so? Barkely is extremely fundamentally sound and I believe will come out of school as a 4 year starter with much better numbers (comp% mainly) then sanchez.

I'm saying he "looks" like Sanchez on the field. From the way he drops back to the way he throws. That's all. Not saying he won't be good or bad. Just how similar they look

eaglenj · 09-09-2012, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by JetsfanfromtheBURGH

I'm saying he "looks" like Sanchez on the field. From the way he drops back to the way he throws. That's all. Not saying he won't be good or bad. Just how similar they look

Gotcha....Im pretty impressed with barkley, aside from the numbers, he is a real smart kid.

Are you into a couple iron city yet?

ozu · 09-09-2012, 07:55 AM

I would look for sharp objects if we ever drafted a Syracuse QB.

Yankeejet22 · 09-09-2012, 08:31 AM

I root for College players like Nassib, Jeff George & Doug Flutie.

escamoter2 · 09-09-2012, 08:32 AM

Didn't RGIII beat both Luck and Barkley?

JetsfanfromtheBURGH · 09-09-2012, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by eaglenj

Gotcha....Im pretty impressed with barkley, aside from the numbers, he is a real smart kid.

Are you into a couple iron city yet?

Just cracked the first one a little bit ago. Been waiting for this for months!

sackdance · 09-09-2012, 09:04 AM

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I root for College players like Nassib, Jeff George & Doug Flutie.

I love lamp.

Yankeejet22 · 09-09-2012, 09:17 AM

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I love lamp.

Desks aren't that bad either.

JB1089 · 09-09-2012, 10:17 AM

I'm still waiting for Barkley to have as good a year as the one Sanchez had in '08. Barkley's playing with far better surrounding talent as well, the talent level on this USC offense is absurd, especially with the addition of Redd. Woods and Lee are both 1st round receivers and the offensive line Barkley is playing behind is awesome, even with the loss of Kalil (the '08 line was the worst USC's had in the last 9 years).

In his year at USC, Sanchez had a YPA of 8.8, the best Barkley has managed so far is 7.9 (8.2 through 2 games this year). For context, all 3 of Luck's years were between 8.7 and 9.0, and Stafford's last year he posted 9.0. Luck's ypa numbers are the most impressive because he did it throwing to TEs. Matt Ryan was only at 7, but he was playing with scrubs against more talented opponents.

Barkley is a very conservative QB. He's a far more conservative thrower than Sanchez was, or Leinart, or Palmer, or even Booty,]. But he's the blonde-haired boy wonder from Mater Dei, so he'll have a greater legacy at USC than any of the guys that came before him. (To his great credit, he also shepherded the program through the probation years and was a 4 year starter)

**One thing that stands out about Barkley if you watch him enough: He throws the best corner fade of any college QB I've ever seen. He's also had a lot of practice throwing the back shoulder fade that's become so popular in the NFL (but hasn't really caught on in college yet).

There's a lot to like, but he's not tank-the-season good. And he's another 6'2" QB, for the people who think Sanchez is too short.

09-08-2012, 08:16 PM	#1
JStokes Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Bergen County, NJ Posts: 20,126	For value-Ryan Nassib is better than Matt Barkley Not impresses with Barkley--yeah, he had 6 TD passes but that was due to the USC receivers totally outclassing the the Cuse DBs and defense. We need Sanchez to excel this year because Barkley doesn't look like an NFL star. I'd take Nassib in the 3rd rather than take Barkley early in the 1st. _

09-08-2012, 08:37 PM	#3
eaglenj All League Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 3,839	Barkley is a franchise guy....mechanics, head, game feel, the whole deal.

09-08-2012, 08:45 PM	#4
Dreamers The angry poster All League Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 4,396	I have pretty much hated every USC QB to come out in my lifetime. That said I would take Barkley #1 over all in any draft.

09-08-2012, 08:45 PM	#5
DDNYjets Bye week buh bye Rex Hall Of Fame Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: New York Posts: 12,300	Let's just hope Sanchez improves. I don't want to start over.

09-08-2012, 08:46 PM	#7
JetsCrazey All League Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 2,665	Nassib is like Kellen Clemens. Great arm, but yet to learn the nuances of the game. Doesn't put touch on his short passes. Not a complete QB at this point.

09-08-2012, 08:52 PM	#8
adpz Veteran Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,002	Um, are you guys expecting us to go 1-15 or something?

09-09-2012, 07:55 AM	#14
ozu in Section 135, Row 28. All League Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Hoboken Posts: 3,922	I would look for sharp objects if we ever drafted a Syracuse QB.

09-09-2012, 08:31 AM	#15
Yankeejet22 You didn't show them, Mark :( Veteran Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: northern jersey Posts: 2,464	I root for College players like Nassib, Jeff George & Doug Flutie.

09-09-2012, 08:32 AM	#16
escamoter2 All League Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,989	Didn't RGIII beat both Luck and Barkley?

09-09-2012, 10:17 AM	#20
JB1089 Now is the time... All Pro Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 5,711	I'm still waiting for Barkley to have as good a year as the one Sanchez had in '08. Barkley's playing with far better surrounding talent as well, the talent level on this USC offense is absurd, especially with the addition of Redd. Woods and Lee are both 1st round receivers and the offensive line Barkley is playing behind is awesome, even with the loss of Kalil (the '08 line was the worst USC's had in the last 9 years). In his year at USC, Sanchez had a YPA of 8.8, the best Barkley has managed so far is 7.9 (8.2 through 2 games this year). For context, all 3 of Luck's years were between 8.7 and 9.0, and Stafford's last year he posted 9.0. Luck's ypa numbers are the most impressive because he did it throwing to TEs. Matt Ryan was only at 7, but he was playing with scrubs against more talented opponents. Barkley is a very conservative QB. He's a far more conservative thrower than Sanchez was, or Leinart, or Palmer, or even Booty,]. But he's the blonde-haired boy wonder from Mater Dei, so he'll have a greater legacy at USC than any of the guys that came before him. (To his great credit, he also shepherded the program through the probation years and was a 4 year starter) **One thing that stands out about Barkley if you watch him enough: He throws the best corner fade of any college QB I've ever seen. He's also had a lot of practice throwing the back shoulder fade that's become so popular in the NFL (but hasn't really caught on in college yet). There's a lot to like, but he's not tank-the-season good. And he's another 6'2" QB, for the people who think Sanchez is too short.