Rex needs to switch the D to a 4-3

JUMBOJET · 09-25-2012, 10:16 AM

3-4 is not working with this slow LB cor, we have good DL. Unleash coples.

Untouchable · 09-25-2012, 10:25 AM

Why Coples hasn't been playing more, especially on passing downs, is beyond me.

Guys like Dixon have been seeing more game time for f*ck sake.

JetsCrazey · 09-25-2012, 10:39 AM

Agree. Start Coples.
Why do we spend 1st round picks on defensive players if we can't start them?

Nike · 09-25-2012, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by JetsCrazey

Agree. Start Coples.
Why do we spend 1st round picks on defensive players if we can't start them?

other teams first second and third rounders are tearing it up. here we play old vets.

IRONFAN 40 · 09-25-2012, 10:48 AM

I also want to see more Davis as well.

endgameeugenics · 09-25-2012, 10:55 AM

I think our base D line should be
Wilk,Coples,Pouha,Pace
3rd down D line should be
Pace,Wilk,Coples,Maybin

Nike · 09-25-2012, 12:15 PM

i thought once we started stock piling defensive linemen this was surely going to work. fresh guys in and out creating havoc and a pass rush. rex somehow managed to screw this all up.

positive · 09-25-2012, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by JUMBOJET

3-4 is not working with this slow LB cor, we have good DL. Unleash coples.

This makes no sense. If our LB core is slow, how can we play a 3-4? Our LBs will have even more space to cover????? 3-4 is designed for bigger slower players, 4-3 for faster smaller players

positive · 09-25-2012, 12:48 PM

That said, we should start playing Coples as a DE/LB hybrid

augustiniak · 09-25-2012, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JetsCrazey

Agree. Start Coples.
Why do we spend 1st round picks on defensive players if we can't start them?

so rex has a plan B when guys like dixon suck.

NY's stepchild · 09-25-2012, 01:49 PM

34 on running plays, but now we need to go zone with a 4 man rush on passing downs. I totally agree.

Dcat · 09-25-2012, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by positive

This makes no sense. If our LB core is slow, how can we play a 3-4? Our LBs will have even more space to cover????? 3-4 is designed for bigger slower players, 4-3 for faster smaller players

David Harris would be terrible in a 4-3. And Bart Scott is ... well... just terrible.

Digetydog · 09-25-2012, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by JUMBOJET

3-4 is not working with this slow LB cor, we have good DL. Unleash coples.

You are right. You know more about coaching a NFL defense than Rex Ryan.

He might not be the best HC in the NFL, but the man can coach a defense.

NY's stepchild · 09-25-2012, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by positive

This makes no sense. If our LB core is slow, how can we play a 3-4? Our LBs will have even more space to cover????? 3-4 is designed for bigger slower players, 4-3 for faster smaller players

What is the difference if you're rushing a stand up LB or a DE? We at least need to 4 man, one gap in the nickle, and/or big nickle. Pace is not getting to the QB so how does that help the slow LBs? He has no burst left.

fidelioion · 09-25-2012, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JetsCrazey

Agree. Start Coples.
Why do we spend 1st round picks on defensive players if we can't start them?

This is flawed logic. You play the person you think gives you the best chance to win...

You can make an argument that Coples gives them the best chance to win or that Rex and Tanny made a bad draft choice - but we shouldn't be starting people simply because of draft position.

NY's stepchild · 09-25-2012, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by fidelioion

This is flawed logic. You play the person you think gives you the best chance to win...

You can make an argument that Coples gives them the best chance to win or that Rex and Tanny made a bad draft choice - but we shouldn't be starting people simply because of draft position.

Coples has made an impact when he was in, and so has Ellis. They need to play to get experience so yes you can argue that a player should be played based on draft position. He wouldn't have been picked so high if he didn't have potential. Dixon, and Pace are not getting the job done. Coples needs an opportunity to do it.

fidelioion · 09-25-2012, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by NY's stepchild

Coples has made an impact when he was in, and so has Ellis. They need to play to get experience so yes you can argue that a player should be played based on draft position. He wouldn't have been picked so high if he didn't have potential. Dixon, and Pace are not getting the job done. Coples needs an opportunity to do it.

Not to belabor the point but playing someone simply because of draft position is ridiculous.

Here you state Coples has made an impact and should play - that is a reasonable argument. But then the argument should be on Rex's talent evaluation - not draft status.

btw. I would love to see Coples playing more but have to believe Rex Ryan, the guy that's been around and/or coaching defensive football his entire life as well as sees his players every day has a better handle on who is most likely to help the team win.

For me, I want the Jets to win and I want them to field the team, each and every week, that will give them the best chance to win each and every week.

brex · 09-25-2012, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by endgameeugenics

I think our base D line should be
Wilk,Coples,Pouha,Pace
3rd down D line should be
Pace,Wilk,Coples,Maybin

I'd like to see:

Mo, Bo, Ellis, QC
Pace, Harris, Davis/Maybin

Rexipus Rex · 09-25-2012, 02:15 PM

I continue to fail to understand why so many people on this board think:

Switch to 4-3 = MORE SACKS!!!

You have to have the personnel for it. Coples could become a good pass rusher, but he'll be doing his damage working against guards.

This defense is way too friggin' slow

patman · 09-25-2012, 02:21 PM

You just can't switch between a 3-4 and a 4-3 system. Just becasue you can give a 4-3 look by having a olb put his hand on the ground does not mean a seamless transition by subbing a DE in for that OLB.

Harris is a superior ILB in a 3-4, he is a 2 down run stuffing MLB in a 4-3.
Likewise with Scott, just not as good as Harris. Pace is only a OLB in a 3-4 or a small DE in a 4-3, but he does not seem to hold up on plays run at him when he has his hand in the dirt.

Davis is a 4-3 backer, but he came from a div 2 school, to ask him to play at a high level as a rookie is a stretch.

Next off season Rex will get a coverage LB to play the SLB in a 4-3.

09-25-2012, 10:16 AM	#1
JUMBOJET Practice Squad Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 255	Rex needs to switch the D to a 4-3 3-4 is not working with this slow LB cor, we have good DL. Unleash coples.

09-25-2012, 10:25 AM	#2
Untouchable Big whoop, wanna fight about it? Hall Of Fame Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 22,473	Why Coples hasn't been playing more, especially on passing downs, is beyond me. Guys like Dixon have been seeing more game time for f*ck sake.

09-25-2012, 10:39 AM	#3
JetsCrazey All League Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 2,676	Agree. Start Coples. Why do we spend 1st round picks on defensive players if we can't start them?

09-25-2012, 10:48 AM	#5
IRONFAN 40 All Pro Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Section 105 all day ,everyday Posts: 5,963	I also want to see more Davis as well.

09-25-2012, 10:55 AM	#6
endgameeugenics Practice Squad Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 305	I think our base D line should be Wilk,Coples,Pouha,Pace 3rd down D line should be Pace,Wilk,Coples,Maybin

09-25-2012, 12:15 PM	#7
Nike Fix it or sell it Woody! Banned Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 3,386	i thought once we started stock piling defensive linemen this was surely going to work. fresh guys in and out creating havoc and a pass rush. rex somehow managed to screw this all up.

09-25-2012, 12:48 PM	#9
positive Undrafted Free Agent Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 149	That said, we should start playing Coples as a DE/LB hybrid

09-25-2012, 01:49 PM	#11
NY's stepchild Here's hoping that GS3 under center, and Coples on the edge works out. All League Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Hawthorne NJ Posts: 4,856	34 on running plays, but now we need to go zone with a 4 man rush on passing downs. I totally agree.

09-25-2012, 02:15 PM	#19
Rexipus Rex Mo' money Veteran Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: E'Ville Posts: 1,202	I continue to fail to understand why so many people on this board think: Switch to 4-3 = MORE SACKS!!! You have to have the personnel for it. Coples could become a good pass rusher, but he'll be doing his damage working against guards. This defense is way too friggin' slow

09-25-2012, 02:21 PM	#20
patman happy to be here All Pro Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 7,182	You just can't switch between a 3-4 and a 4-3 system. Just becasue you can give a 4-3 look by having a olb put his hand on the ground does not mean a seamless transition by subbing a DE in for that OLB. Harris is a superior ILB in a 3-4, he is a 2 down run stuffing MLB in a 4-3. Likewise with Scott, just not as good as Harris. Pace is only a OLB in a 3-4 or a small DE in a 4-3, but he does not seem to hold up on plays run at him when he has his hand in the dirt. Davis is a 4-3 backer, but he came from a div 2 school, to ask him to play at a high level as a rookie is a stretch. Next off season Rex will get a coverage LB to play the SLB in a 4-3.