Holmes out, is this what Sanchez really needed? Eli/Schockey Part II?

Ray Ray19 · 10-03-2012, 12:15 AM

Thoughts about the loss of Holmes...

Our best offensive player gone a week after we lose our best defensive player...

Holy mother of all bad luck batman...

Eli Manning's career pretty much took off when Schockey was no longer in the picture, it was about at that time when Manning didn't have a player in his ear pressuring him to get him the ball...

Looking back, this has been one of the major issues for Sanchez going back to last year, and really, a lot can be made about how both Holmes and Burress were the TRUE reasons why this offense imploded last year, why the selfishness reigned, why the team faltered at the end of the year.

Could the loss of Holmes be exactly what Sanchez and this offense needed?

It's crazy to assume a player of Holmes caliber missing from the offense helps, but does it?

Sanchez will no longer have to "worry" about where Holmes is on the field.

We will no longer have to be concerned about Holmes stopping his routes, or sulking on plays where he is not involved.

We may not have the talent on the field, but the Jets will have players that will work hard and compete on every play, this is why I think the Jets will stay away from players like Burress and TO, especially these two players. Ocho is a player they could make a play for, I think Ocho would come in and work, but I think the Jets stay away from the drama that would follow him, but if there was a FA WR out there that would make sense, Ocho is the player, he's hungry and desperate, the team is too, and he wouldn't come in and be a cancer, he could in fact spark the team.

But back to the point, the Holmes injury could be a blessing in disguise, and it will be real interesting to see how Sanchez responds, how the young WR's respond and especially how the team responds on offense.

This could be the injury that could even resurrect Sanchez, it happened with Eli, and we know Sanchez wasn't happy about having to be pressured about where the ball needs to go, that is why we read the camp reports about how Sanchez has tried to have a bigger presence in the huddle, how the huddle was his, and how his weapons need to trust the offense. Just maybe, this is what Sanchez really needed.

King Koopa · 10-03-2012, 12:16 AM

No.

JetBidi · 10-03-2012, 12:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Koopa

No.

+1

Buzzsaw · 10-03-2012, 12:21 AM

Before the season maybe, and if we had a decent replacement. Four games into the season, it's just another nail in the coffin.

Santonio · 10-03-2012, 01:12 AM

I really wish Eli played in another town if for no other reason to end the ludicrous comparisons between himself and Mark.

WestCoastOffensive · 10-03-2012, 01:20 AM

Could the loss of Holmes be exactly what Sanchez and this offense needed?

Ray, you may get a needle or two; but: everybody on here is praying this is true.

Come correct, you mopes.

WrongAgain · 10-03-2012, 01:25 AM

God you're an idiot.

TheMikeIsHot · 10-03-2012, 07:30 AM

If threre were other viable options I would see your point but Kerley Schilens and a hobbled Hill doesn't cut it for me. No Holmes might help Mark in the long run but he will definitely miss him in the short term.

Someone has to step up big time to fill that role now.

LockeJET · 10-03-2012, 07:34 AM

When Shockey left, Eli still had some nice targets to throw to. We have crap!!

This team has ZERO talent on offense and an oline that doesn't push people off the ball. We have no chance this season to succeed. None!

Jets have a very good chance of getting shut out 2 weeks in a row.

DDNYjets · 10-03-2012, 07:46 AM

Shockey and Tiki basically bullied Eli. I do not think Holmes was bullying Sanchez. The Holmes/Sanchez debacle of 2011 was a tiff that was aloud to grow into a problem b.c of lack of leadership, both participants having vaginas and a HC that lacked awareness. It was blown out of proportion.

As other have noted, the Giants had much better players on offense that year than we can ever dream of. We have the worst skilled position talent in the NFL on offense.

And our defense that has been heavily invested in, littered with first round picks, can no longer carry the offense b.c they have **** the bed as well.

WestCoastOffensive · 10-18-2012, 12:55 AM

Paging Brian Costello!

jxc · 10-18-2012, 02:15 AM

No.

FijiJet · 10-18-2012, 02:22 AM

Perhaps

kennesawjet · 10-18-2012, 05:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ray Ray19

Thoughts about the loss of Holmes...

Our best offensive player gone a week after we lose our best defensive player...

Holy mother of all bad luck batman...

Eli Manning's career pretty much took off when Schockey was no longer in the picture, it was about at that time when Manning didn't have a player in his ear pressuring him to get him the ball...

Looking back, this has been one of the major issues for Sanchez going back to last year, and really, a lot can be made about how both Holmes and Burress were the TRUE reasons why this offense imploded last year, why the selfishness reigned, why the team faltered at the end of the year.

Could the loss of Holmes be exactly what Sanchez and this offense needed?

It's crazy to assume a player of Holmes caliber missing from the offense helps, but does it?

Sanchez will no longer have to "worry" about where Holmes is on the field.

We will no longer have to be concerned about Holmes stopping his routes, or sulking on plays where he is not involved.

We may not have the talent on the field, but the Jets will have players that will work hard and compete on every play, this is why I think the Jets will stay away from players like Burress and TO, especially these two players. Ocho is a player they could make a play for, I think Ocho would come in and work, but I think the Jets stay away from the drama that would follow him, but if there was a FA WR out there that would make sense, Ocho is the player, he's hungry and desperate, the team is too, and he wouldn't come in and be a cancer, he could in fact spark the team.

But back to the point, the Holmes injury could be a blessing in disguise, and it will be real interesting to see how Sanchez responds, how the young WR's respond and especially how the team responds on offense.

This could be the injury that could even resurrect Sanchez, it happened with Eli, and we know Sanchez wasn't happy about having to be pressured about where the ball needs to go, that is why we read the camp reports about how Sanchez has tried to have a bigger presence in the huddle, how the huddle was his, and how his weapons need to trust the offense. Just maybe, this is what Sanchez really needed.

in a prior post not long before the season started...............

IRONFAN 40 · 10-18-2012, 07:21 AM

Most definitely No. Sanchez needs all the targets he can get. Plus the fact can anyway one else step up at a crucial time like Holmes did against MIA ?

Mohegangreen · 10-18-2012, 07:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ray Ray19

Thoughts about the loss of Holmes...

Our best offensive player gone a week after we lose our best defensive player...

Holy mother of all bad luck batman...

Eli Manning's career pretty much took off when Schockey was no longer in the picture, it was about at that time when Manning didn't have a player in his ear pressuring him to get him the ball...

Looking back, this has been one of the major issues for Sanchez going back to last year, and really, a lot can be made about how both Holmes and Burress were the TRUE reasons why this offense imploded last year, why the selfishness reigned, why the team faltered at the end of the year.

Could the loss of Holmes be exactly what Sanchez and this offense needed?

It's crazy to assume a player of Holmes caliber missing from the offense helps, but does it?

Sanchez will no longer have to "worry" about where Holmes is on the field.

We will no longer have to be concerned about Holmes stopping his routes, or sulking on plays where he is not involved.

We may not have the talent on the field, but the Jets will have players that will work hard and compete on every play, this is why I think the Jets will stay away from players like Burress and TO, especially these two players. Ocho is a player they could make a play for, I think Ocho would come in and work, but I think the Jets stay away from the drama that would follow him, but if there was a FA WR out there that would make sense, Ocho is the player, he's hungry and desperate, the team is too, and he wouldn't come in and be a cancer, he could in fact spark the team.

But back to the point, the Holmes injury could be a blessing in disguise, and it will be real interesting to see how Sanchez responds, how the young WR's respond and especially how the team responds on offense.

This could be the injury that could even resurrect Sanchez, it happened with Eli, and we know Sanchez wasn't happy about having to be pressured about where the ball needs to go, that is why we read the camp reports about how Sanchez has tried to have a bigger presence in the huddle, how the huddle was his, and how his weapons need to trust the offense. Just maybe, this is what Sanchez really needed.

Yes, this is what the entire team needed...a locker room cancer has been removed

Funaz · 10-18-2012, 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kennesawjet

in a prior post not long before the season started...............

I;ve been saying we're better off without holmes since he got here. Holmes is an overrated lockerroom cancer. One of Tanny's biggest blunders was keeping him instead of Braylon. Braylon was happy as a pig in mud to be out of Cleveland and was a good camper. Holmes was here just to get a big payday and wanted the ball.

I understand trading for him to make a 1 year push but you have to cut ties with him. I hope he never plays for the jets again.

PatsFanTX · 10-18-2012, 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Santonio

I really wish Eli played in another town if for no other reason to end the ludicrous comparisons between himself and Mark.

How do you compare a top 5 NFL QB to a bottom 5 NFL QB.

There is no comparison.

stanner · 10-18-2012, 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PatsFanTX

How do you compare a top 5 NFL QB to a bottom 5 NFL QB.

There is no comparison.

my God, man, when do you have time to read your fantasy novels and comic books!

WestCoastOffensive · 10-18-2012, 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IRONFAN 40

Most definitely No. Sanchez needs all the targets he can get. Plus the fact can anyway one else step up at a crucial time like Holmes did against MIA ?

Holmes has an undeniable "Allen Iverson" quality to his in-game behavior...

10-03-2012, 12:15 AM	#1
Ray Ray19 Not a SOJF Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 13,956	Holmes out, is this what Sanchez really needed? Eli/Schockey Part II? Thoughts about the loss of Holmes... Our best offensive player gone a week after we lose our best defensive player... Holy mother of all bad luck batman... Eli Manning's career pretty much took off when Schockey was no longer in the picture, it was about at that time when Manning didn't have a player in his ear pressuring him to get him the ball... Looking back, this has been one of the major issues for Sanchez going back to last year, and really, a lot can be made about how both Holmes and Burress were the TRUE reasons why this offense imploded last year, why the selfishness reigned, why the team faltered at the end of the year. Could the loss of Holmes be exactly what Sanchez and this offense needed? It's crazy to assume a player of Holmes caliber missing from the offense helps, but does it? Sanchez will no longer have to "worry" about where Holmes is on the field. We will no longer have to be concerned about Holmes stopping his routes, or sulking on plays where he is not involved. We may not have the talent on the field, but the Jets will have players that will work hard and compete on every play, this is why I think the Jets will stay away from players like Burress and TO, especially these two players. Ocho is a player they could make a play for, I think Ocho would come in and work, but I think the Jets stay away from the drama that would follow him, but if there was a FA WR out there that would make sense, Ocho is the player, he's hungry and desperate, the team is too, and he wouldn't come in and be a cancer, he could in fact spark the team. But back to the point, the Holmes injury could be a blessing in disguise, and it will be real interesting to see how Sanchez responds, how the young WR's respond and especially how the team responds on offense. This could be the injury that could even resurrect Sanchez, it happened with Eli, and we know Sanchez wasn't happy about having to be pressured about where the ball needs to go, that is why we read the camp reports about how Sanchez has tried to have a bigger presence in the huddle, how the huddle was his, and how his weapons need to trust the offense. Just maybe, this is what Sanchez really needed. Last edited by Ray Ray19; 10-03-2012 at 12:18 AM.

10-03-2012, 07:46 AM	#10
DDNYjets Hall Of Fame Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: New York Posts: 12,559	Shockey and Tiki basically bullied Eli. I do not think Holmes was bullying Sanchez. The Holmes/Sanchez debacle of 2011 was a tiff that was aloud to grow into a problem b.c of lack of leadership, both participants having vaginas and a HC that lacked awareness. It was blown out of proportion. As other have noted, the Giants had much better players on offense that year than we can ever dream of. We have the worst skilled position talent in the NFL on offense. And our defense that has been heavily invested in, littered with first round picks, can no longer carry the offense b.c they have **** the bed as well. Last edited by DDNYjets; 10-03-2012 at 07:48 AM.

10-03-2012, 12:16 AM	#2
King Koopa All League Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 3,393	No.

10-03-2012, 12:21 AM	#4
Buzzsaw Jets Insider VIP Board Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 26,340	Before the season maybe, and if we had a decent replacement. Four games into the season, it's just another nail in the coffin.

10-03-2012, 01:12 AM	#5
Santonio stoked Veteran Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,123	I really wish Eli played in another town if for no other reason to end the ludicrous comparisons between himself and Mark.

10-03-2012, 01:20 AM	#6
WestCoastOffensive Didn't pull the pin - got blasted anyway Board Moderator Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: SF via Strong Island Posts: 26,972	Could the loss of Holmes be exactly what Sanchez and this offense needed? Ray, you may get a needle or two; but: everybody on here is praying this is true. Come correct, you mopes.

10-03-2012, 01:25 AM	#7
WrongAgain Waterboy Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 5	God you're an idiot.

10-03-2012, 07:30 AM	#8
TheMikeIsHot All Pro Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 7,046	If threre were other viable options I would see your point but Kerley Schilens and a hobbled Hill doesn't cut it for me. No Holmes might help Mark in the long run but he will definitely miss him in the short term. Someone has to step up big time to fill that role now.

10-03-2012, 07:34 AM	#9
LockeJET pooping, but thinking of you! Hall of Fame Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 15,969	When Shockey left, Eli still had some nice targets to throw to. We have crap!! This team has ZERO talent on offense and an oline that doesn't push people off the ball. We have no chance this season to succeed. None! Jets have a very good chance of getting shut out 2 weeks in a row.

10-18-2012, 12:55 AM	#11
WestCoastOffensive Didn't pull the pin - got blasted anyway Board Moderator Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: SF via Strong Island Posts: 26,972	Paging Brian Costello!

10-18-2012, 02:15 AM	#12
jxc Looking forward to less butt fumbles in 2013. All League Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 3,000	No.

10-18-2012, 02:22 AM	#13
FijiJet waiting for our pass rush thunderbolt All League Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 3,515	Perhaps

10-18-2012, 07:21 AM	#15
IRONFAN 40 All Pro Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Section 105 all day ,everyday Posts: 5,963	Most definitely No. Sanchez needs all the targets he can get. Plus the fact can anyway one else step up at a crucial time like Holmes did against MIA ?