Typical Sanchez. Now you see me, now you don't. - Page 2

Paradis · 10-09-2012, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Sanchez 3:16

so what you're saying is his supporting cast is terrible?

because that's exactly what you're saying.

and that's sanchez's fault how?

Why am I having to explain this? He has no ability to be a difference maker.

Figure it out. The rest of america has.

Sanchez 3:16 · 10-09-2012, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Paradis

Why am I having to explain this? He has no ability to be a difference maker.

Figure it out. The rest of america has.

right. so because he cannot elevate the play of Clyde Gates, Jeff Cumberland, Chaz Schillens, and Jason Hill, he has no ability to be a difference maker.

That cast would be winning Superbowls without Mark Sanchez.

piney · 10-09-2012, 01:19 AM

How many QBs elevate the play of those around them in the league?

Brees
Brady
Rodgers
Rivers
The Mannings

6 of 32 and Jet fans think they fall off trees.

75% of the league is Sanchez.

JetsMakeMeCry · 10-09-2012, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Sanchez 3:16

right. so because he cannot elevate the play of Clyde Gates, Jeff Cumberland, Chaz Schillens, and Jason Hill, he has no ability to be a difference maker.

That cast would be winning Superbowls without Mark Sanchez.

i wanted him to be the guy just as bad as you did. believe me.

and yes, his cast stinks. but after 4 years, i have 0 faith he can carry a team at least a few games in the regular season and playoffs which is pretty much what a qb has to do if you ever want to win a superbowl. we need a qb that can take over occasionally. i don't care about this season. its over without holmes and revis. just get a new young qb and start developing him.

piney · 10-09-2012, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by JetsMakeMeCry

i wanted him to be the guy just as bad as you did. believe me.

and yes, his cast stinks. but after 4 years, i have 0 faith he can carry a team at least a few games in the regular season and playoffs which is pretty much what a qb has to do if you ever want to win a superbowl. we need a qb that can take over occasionally. i don't care about this season. its over without holmes and revis. just get a new young qb and start developing him.

What's Sanchez's playoff record?

Sanchez 3:16 · 10-09-2012, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by JetsMakeMeCry

i wanted him to be the guy just as bad as you did. believe me.

and yes, his cast stinks. but after 4 years, i have 0 faith he can carry a team at least a few games in the regular season and playoffs which is pretty much what a qb has to do if you ever want to win a superbowl. we need a qb that can take over occasionally. i don't care about this season. its over without holmes and revis. just get a new young qb and start developing him.

2010.

he carried that team to how many 4th quarter comebacks? he did what he had to do to get his team to a Superbowl, if only his defense showed up for the first half of the AFCCG.

the guy has the talent. we've all seen it. what you're seeing is an entire team that is somewhat to pretty damn awful right now, with the entire focus and source of that awful play focused on one guy.

is Sanchez playing bad? absolutely. is the team worse? completely.

Untouchable · 10-09-2012, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by piney

How many QBs elevate the play of those around them in the league?

Brees
Brady
Rodgers
Rivers
The Mannings

6 of 32 and Jet fans think they fall off trees.

75% of the league is Sanchez.

I don't need some elite/HOF QB to be content.

I'd be happy as a pig in sh*t with our own Matt Schaub, Matt Ryan or Joe Flacco.

Whichfan · 10-09-2012, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by piney

How many QBs elevate the play of those around them in the league?

Brees
Brady
Rodgers
Rivers
The Mannings

6 of 32 and Jet fans think they fall off trees.

75% of the league is Sanchez.

Uh what?

Sanchez is in the same class as Big Ben, Matt Ryan, Stafford, Flacco? Heck even rookies like RG3 or Luck?

You are smoking dope! He's not even as good as Alex Smith is right now.

chrisjets23 · 10-09-2012, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by piney

What's Sanchez's playoff record?

The QB on this team who has last won a playoff game is not named Mark Sanchez

Sanchez 3:16 · 10-09-2012, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Whichfan

Uh what?

Sanchez is in the same class as Big Ben, Matt Ryan, Stafford, Flacco? Heck even rookies like RG3 or Luck?

You are smoking dope! He's not even as good as Alex Smith is right now.

well that's the biggest jump i've ever seen.

piney · 10-09-2012, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Whichfan

Uh what?

Sanchez is in the same class as Big Ben, Matt Ryan, Stafford, Flacco? Heck even rookies like RG3 or Luck?

You are smoking dope! He's not even as good as Alex Smith is right now.

Sanchez is in the middle of the pack. The point I was making is that very few QBs elevate the players around them. Flacco, Ryan, Rothlisberger, Smith et are surrounded by much better teams.

Swap Sanchez with Smith and see how good Smith is.

Whichfan · 10-09-2012, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by piney

Sanchez is in the middle of the pack. The point I was making is that very few QBs elevate the players around them. Flacco, Ryan, Rothlisberger, Smith et are surrounded by much better teams.

Swap Sanchez with Smith and see how good Smith is.

Bottom of the NFL is not in the middle of the pack. And it's not just this year. His career numbers are bottom of the NFL.

He's at the bottom of the pack. Not in the middle.

piney · 10-09-2012, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Whichfan

Bottom of the NFL is not in the middle of the pack. And it's not just this year. His career numbers are bottom of the NFL.

He's at the bottom of the pack. Not in the middle.

He's better or the same as these QBs. Basically this is a list I wouldn't do a straight up trade of Sanchez for _____.

Miami
Buffalo
Browns
Bengals
Titans
Jaguars
Eagles
Vikings
Bucs
Cards
Rams
49ers
Seahawks

That's 13 teams I don't take the QB from. None of these guys are distinctly better than Sanchez or deliver this Jet team, as constructed, to the playoffs.

Paradis · 10-09-2012, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by piney

He's better or the same as these QBs. Basically this is a list I wouldn't do a straight up trade of Sanchez for _____.

Miami
Buffalo
Browns
Bengals
Titans
Jaguars
Eagles
Vikings
Bucs
Cards
Rams
49ers
Seahawks

That's 13 teams I don't take the QB from. None of these guys are distinctly better than Sanchez or deliver this Jet team, as constructed, to the playoffs.

So much wrong.

I'll give you ARZ, SEA, TB, and BUF. THAT'S IT.

piney · 10-09-2012, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Paradis

So much wrong.

I'll give you ARZ, SEA, TB, and BUF. THAT'S IT.

So the jets would be worlds better with Ponder or Lockler over Sanchez?

Whichfan · 10-09-2012, 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by piney

So the jets would be worlds better with Ponder or Lockler over Sanchez?

2nd year players with higher upside. And yeah I think they are doing better so far this year.

Lockler played about 5 games and he's averaging way better than Sanchez for practically a rookie still.

And I like Ponder, a lot. So far this year Ponder is completing at nearly 70% and has a 95.5 QB passer rating 7 touchdowns to only 2 turnovers. That's pretty much elite numbers right there.

So yeah not even a question. Not to mention the fact we are even comparing Sanchez to these guys says a lot in the first place.

augustiniak · 10-09-2012, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Whichfan

2nd year players with higher upside. And yeah I think they are doing better so far this year.

Lockler played about 5 games and he's averaging way better than Sanchez for practically a rookie still.

And I like Ponder, a lot. So far this year Ponder is completing at nearly 70% and has a 95.5 QB passer rating 7 touchdowns to only 2 turnovers. That's pretty much elite numbers right there.

So yeah not even a question. Not to mention the fact we are even comparing Sanchez to these guys says a lot in the first place.

sanchez never has a game that makes you go 'wow'. his very good games aren't good compared to other qbs. we're all debating this b/c sanchez didn't look terrible last night. some of us are surprised about this. the question is how many more seasons does a 4th year qb get to prove that he can win without great talent around him? at a certain point you have to reboot. fault can be spread around but that doesn't mean you keep a qb who doesn't seem to have it. fault is one thing, but building a franchise shouldn't be based on fault or lack of it.

Schadenfreude · 10-09-2012, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by piney

How many QBs elevate the play of those around them in the league?

Brees
Brady
Rodgers
Rivers
The Mannings

6 of 32 and Jet fans think they fall off trees.

75% of the league is Sanchez.

*Rothlisberger
*Cutler

*up for debate

10-09-2012, 01:19 AM	#23
piney hip deep in dirty diapers All League Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 3,618	How many QBs elevate the play of those around them in the league? Brees Brady Rodgers Rivers The Mannings 6 of 32 and Jet fans think they fall off trees. 75% of the league is Sanchez.