Cromartie

jetsfan920 · 10-09-2012, 04:20 PM

This dude is playing OUT OF HIS MIND. The one catch Johnson had last night was when he was covering Walter. His play has really picked up with Revis out. His place makes Revis trade able imo. Trade Revis for cap relief to help out the pass rush, receiving core, and etc. I'd roll with Cro and someone like a Sheppard like we did in 09.

Nike · 10-09-2012, 04:23 PM

id prefer to tandem up revis and cro and nobody throws on us. we work on stopping the run and we have a monster defense.

Ruby2 · 10-09-2012, 04:23 PM

Two bad Sheppard barely even played in 2009.

Didnt Tranny give up a 2nd in that deal?

Mike D · 10-09-2012, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Nike

id prefer to tandem up revis and cro and nobody throws on us. we work on stopping the run and we have a monster defense.

I thought that's what the Jets have been trying to do the last two years?

Ruby2 · 10-09-2012, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Nike

id prefer to tandem up revis and cro and nobody throws on us. we work on stopping the run and we have a monster defense.

Sounds like that was the strategy for last years absolutely mediocre defense.

You can't have a monster defense when you pay your CB's 20 million dollars combined.

Ruby2 · 10-09-2012, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike D

I thought that's what the Jets have been trying to do the last two years?

LMAO

You beat me.

Untouchable · 10-09-2012, 04:27 PM

He played very well except for when Owen Daniels beat him like a drum.

He's a good player but he's vastly overrated by this fanbase. The guy still makes a ton of mental errors. I can't help but laugh when anyone mentions him as a Top 10 CB.

Nike · 10-09-2012, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruby2

Sounds like that was the strategy for last years absolutely mediocre defense.

You can't have a monster defense when you pay your CB's 20 million dollars combined.

no we had an offense that couldnt score points superstars or not.

Ruby2 · 10-09-2012, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Untouchable

He played very well except for when Owen Daniels beat him like a drum.

He's a good player but he's vastly overrated by this fanbase. The guy still makes a ton of mental errors. I can't help but laugh when anyone mentions him as a Top 10 CB.

Another thread has some analyst blaming Landry for that TD.

Cro was in a hard spot there, they were in zone and he had to pick a side to defend.

All CB's make mental errors btw, Cro is definitely top 10.

Ruby2 · 10-09-2012, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Nike

no we had an offense that couldnt score points superstars or not.

If this isn't a GMC post I dont know what is.

carlito1171 · 10-09-2012, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Untouchable

He played very well except for when Owen Daniels beat him like a drum.

He's a good player but he's vastly overrated by this fanbase. The guy still makes a ton of mental errors. I can't help but laugh when anyone mentions him as a Top 10 CB.

Dude he was expecting help over the top but both safeties bit on the PA. Cro makes many mistakes but that wasn't his fault.

He's not only top 10, but he's top 5! We are so spoiled having Revis alongside him that we forget he's on another planet compared to the other CB's in the league.

SONNY WERBLIN · 10-09-2012, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruby2

Sounds like that was the strategy for last years absolutely mediocre defense.

You can't have a monster defense when you pay your CB's 20 million dollars combined.

Bingo! Great D' are built by the front 7. Heck, I could've played CB for the 86 Bears. They only needed to cover for about 2.5 seconds. Did you see how long Shaab had to pass last night. On some plays the secondary had to cover for 6 or 7 seconds or more. He was never under any real pressure and able to just leisurely survey the field. And he's not even very mobile. But that does not really matter since the Jets pass rush probably would have a tough time against a QB with a walker.

Dreaming Daddy · 10-09-2012, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruby2

Another thread has some analyst blaming Landry for that TD.

Cro was in a hard spot there, they were in zone and he had to pick a side to defend.

All CB's make mental errors btw, Cro is definitely top 10.

I agree. I thought Cro played a great game. He was on all defensive snaps and played some offense. Played more snaps than anyone on the field.

Ruby2 · 10-09-2012, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SONNY WERBLIN

Bingo! Great D' are built by the front 7. Heck, I could've played CB for the 86 Bears. They only needed to cover for about 2.5 seconds. Did you see how long Shaab had to pass last night. On some plays the secondary had to cover for 6 or 7 seconds or more. He was never under any real pressure and able to just leisurely survey the field. And he's not even very mobile. But that does not really matter since the Jets pass rush probably would have a tough time against a QB with a walker.

Seriously,

Just look at the Giants, the Packers etc. They had a decent at best secondary, and a ferocious pass rusher and a good qb.

That is the formula.

Joe W. Namath · 10-09-2012, 04:37 PM

Cro isnt any better or worse then hes been in the past. Everyone is shutting andre johnson down this year. His last 4 games he hasnt surpassed the 3 catch mark.

Cro is a good player. Always has been.

Untouchable · 10-09-2012, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by carlito1171

Dude he was expecting help over the top but both safeties bit on the PA. Cro makes many mistakes but that wasn't his fault.

He's not only top 10, but he's top 5! We are so spoiled having Revis alongside him that we forget he's on another planet compared to the other CB's in the league.

Darrelle Revis
Joe Haden
Patrick Peterson
Cortland Finnegan
Brandon Flowers
Brandon Browner
Nnamdi Asomugha
Brent Grimes
Ladarius Webb
Champ Bailey

That's 10 CB's that I would easily take over Cromartie.

SONNY WERBLIN · 10-09-2012, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruby2

Seriously,

Just look at the Giants, the Packers etc. They had a decent at best secondary, and a ferocious pass rusher and a good qb.

That is the formula.

You forgot Pit, until they got Polomolu, their secondary was always atrocious, but it was hard to notice when the QB was pissin' his pants whenever he dropped back to pass.

Honestly, I thought the Jets were trying to build the front 7 with Wilk, Ellis, and Coples and then intended to add some OLBs, but I have some concern that the Jets just do not draft well. I'm kinda hoping Tanny is shown the door and they look to Pitt, Balt, or even the Giants for a new GM who actually knows how to draft talented, athletic players.

detectivekimble · 10-12-2012, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Untouchable

Darrelle Revis
Joe Haden
Patrick Peterson
Cortland Finnegan
Brandon Flowers
Brandon Browner
Nnamdi Asomugha
Brent Grimes
Ladarius Webb
Champ Bailey

That's 10 CB's that I would easily take over Cromartie.

Yeah, no. You've always been anti-Cromartie, so you try to minimize just how good he is.

Last week Cromartie was responsible for covering Andre Johnson most of the time, and held Johnson without a catch on his watch while also recording an interception. Receivers have a catch rate of just 41.4 when Cromartie is in coverage, which is the lowest among cornerbacks targeted 20 or more times.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...s-jets-week-6/

jetstream23 · 10-12-2012, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by detectivekimble

Yeah, no. You've always been anti-Cromartie, so you try to minimize just how good he is.

Last week Cromartie was responsible for covering Andre Johnson most of the time, and held Johnson without a catch on his watch while also recording an interception. Receivers have a catch rate of just 41.4 when Cromartie is in coverage, which is the lowest among cornerbacks targeted 20 or more times.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...s-jets-week-6/

Wow!

eaglenj · 10-12-2012, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe W. Namath

Cro isnt any better or worse then hes been in the past. Everyone is shutting andre johnson down this year. His last 4 games he hasnt surpassed the 3 catch mark.

Cro is a good player. Always has been.

Exactly....Cro had a good game vs Texans no doubt, but Andre has 17 catches so far on the season, he isnt what he used to be by any stretch.

There was a short thing in the paper about cro taking more of a leadership (yes take that with a grain of salt) role, putting in more time with film etc, which would be great. I just hate that he is so unfundamentally sound....although he has been better with the penalties this year.

I would love to see us back to the Old Rex Defense on passing downs this week....put wilkerson and coples as down lineman, everyone standing up and moving around pre snap so we can get some blitzes going and hopefully confuse Luck a little with the coverage.

10-09-2012, 04:20 PM	#1
jetsfan920 Lets Get It Veteran Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,606	Cromartie This dude is playing OUT OF HIS MIND. The one catch Johnson had last night was when he was covering Walter. His play has really picked up with Revis out. His place makes Revis trade able imo. Trade Revis for cap relief to help out the pass rush, receiving core, and etc. I'd roll with Cro and someone like a Sheppard like we did in 09.

10-09-2012, 04:23 PM	#2
Nike Fix it or sell it Woody! Banned Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 3,386	id prefer to tandem up revis and cro and nobody throws on us. we work on stopping the run and we have a monster defense.

10-09-2012, 04:23 PM	#3
Ruby2 Patron and Grapefruit Juice Bitchess!!! Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Jerseystrong Posts: 17,025	Two bad Sheppard barely even played in 2009. Didnt Tranny give up a 2nd in that deal?

10-09-2012, 04:27 PM	#7
Untouchable Hall Of Fame Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 22,403	He played very well except for when Owen Daniels beat him like a drum. He's a good player but he's vastly overrated by this fanbase. The guy still makes a ton of mental errors. I can't help but laugh when anyone mentions him as a Top 10 CB.

10-09-2012, 04:37 PM	#15
Joe W. Namath Darrell Bevell for HC in 2014. All Pro Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Boynton Beach, FL Posts: 7,825	Cro isnt any better or worse then hes been in the past. Everyone is shutting andre johnson down this year. His last 4 games he hasnt surpassed the 3 catch mark. Cro is a good player. Always has been.