wilkerson and coples production? - Page 2

CleatMarks · 10-10-2012, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by iahawkeyejet

Bleacher report?

For the record, I don't see any football publication putting out 3-4 DE rankings.

No, but if you look at the rankings, you know which ones play in a 3 -4 and which ones play in a 4 -3 so all you have to do is count how many 3 -4 lineman are ahead of him...

I've yet to see his name on a list. The only reason I'm checking is that I'm surprised since I can probably rattle off a half dozen I would think are rated higher.

(btw bleacher report... dude, I even looked on fantasy football lists and couldn't find him )

iahawkeyejet · 10-10-2012, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by CleatMarks

No, but if you look at the rankings, you know which ones play in a 3 -4 and which ones play in a 4 -3 so all you have to do is count how many 3 -4 lineman are ahead of him...

I've yet to see his name on a list. The only reason I'm checking is that I'm surprised since I can probably rattle off a half dozen I would think are rated higher.

(btw bleacher report... dude, I even looked on fantasy football lists and couldn't find him )

I mentioned Bleacher Report because its a joke of a website if you are looking for analysis .

If you watch Wilkerson and watch some of the best 3-4 DEs in the league, he isn't far off. The problem is, and not saying you fall into this category, but a lot of people don't really know how to measure that position.

CleatMarks · 10-10-2012, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by iahawkeyejet

I mentioned Bleacher Report because its a joke of a website if you are looking for analysis .

If you watch Wilkerson and watch some of the best 3-4 DEs in the league, he isn't far off. The problem is, and not saying you fall into this category, but a lot of people don't really know how to measure that position.

I'm just saying... the poster said he was ranked 3rd... what list? I'm just asking because I couldn't' find a single one that listed him.... I'm just saying...

BTW, I don't agree but that's why I looked for him on the lists.

iahawkeyejet · 10-10-2012, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by CleatMarks

I'm just saying... the poster said he was ranked 3rd... what list? I'm just asking because I couldn't' find a single one that listed him.... I'm just saying...

BTW, I don't agree but that's why I looked for him on the lists.

Pro Football Focus pimps Wilkerson an awful lot, I do know that is one place.

srobjets · 10-10-2012, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Nike

whats the deal? coaching? bad picks? other teams first rounders are flourishing meanwhile we sit and wait.

Yes. Just great picks by "the Bust Kings."

Ruby2 · 10-10-2012, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by CleatMarks

Who's list?

I don't see him on the Sports News, ESPN, bleacher report, etc rankings at all.

LMAO, Bleacher Report LOL

Tells me all I need to know.

Try PFF, LOL still cant get over the Bleacher Report remark, good stuff.

Green Bandit · 10-10-2012, 10:37 PM

Hey guys FYI

4-3 DE =/= 3-4 DE

3-4 DEs are supposed to fill gaps so that linebackers can make plays. Wilkersons objective isn't to sack or attack the passer as much as take on two blockers so that a linebacker has a clear lane. The problem is we have no linebackers.

As for Coples, give the man time. He was in the backfield quite a few times on Monday Night.

Patience people.

Ruby2 · 10-10-2012, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Green Bandit

Hey guys FYI

4-3 DE =/= 3-4 DE

3-4 DEs are supposed to fill gaps so that linebackers can make plays. Wilkersons objective isn't to sack or attack the passer as much as take on two blockers so that a linebacker has a clear lane. The problem is we have no linebackers.

As for Coples, give the man time. He was in the backfield quite a few times on Monday Night.

Patience people.

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FijiJet · 10-10-2012, 10:38 PM

He's very effective at doing what's been asked of him. Problem is the narcoleptic lb's who can't make useful things out of the opportunities being given them.He's frequently double teamed but they are just to slow and lumbering to finish rb's/qb's off.

Manchez · 10-10-2012, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by srobjets

Yes. Just great picks by "the Bust Kings."

Coples and Wilk aren't busts at all, they just weren't necessarily the players we actually needed to really improve the team and make a real impact. They are solid players so far... Once Coples gets his feet under him and a better feel for the pro game I think he's going to be a real impact player at his position in the 3-4 and has shown potential even as a 4-3 DE rushing the passer on 3rd down. Rex just needs to break out of his narrow view of how he uses specific players...

CleatMarks · 10-10-2012, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruby2

LMAO, Bleacher Report LOL

Tells me all I need to know.

Try PFF, LOL still cant get over the Bleacher Report remark, good stuff.

okay, so I don't see one on PFF for 2012 ....please provide a link.

They do have one for 2011 and he's not in it

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...efensive-ends/

Ruby2 · 10-10-2012, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by CleatMarks

okay, so I don't see one on PFF for 2012 ....please provide a link.

They do have one for 2011 and he's not in it

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...efensive-ends/

Im going off of eaglenj's post in another thread. A respected poster, I will trust his statement.

Revis · 10-10-2012, 10:46 PM

Prisoner of the moment threads like this, it might be time to sign off. Wilkerson had a promising rookie campaign playing every game and improving as the year went on. His pass rush isn't Trevor Pryce-esque from a 3 technique as promised by Rex but the kid still needs time coming from Temple.

Coples has been silent, it isnt Gholston because he does break through a couple times each game but to me he doesnt use his hands or leverage well at the moment. Time will tell but any conclusions right now are crazy

CleatMarks · 10-10-2012, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruby2

Im going off of eaglenj's post in another thread. A respected poster, I will trust his statement.

So you don't know but you heard from another anonymous internet poster...and you laugh at bleacher report?????

I'm calling BS on that poster then.

Revis · 10-10-2012, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by CleatMarks

okay, so I don't see one on PFF for 2012 ....please provide a link.

They do have one for 2011 and he's not in it

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...efensive-ends/

here's a response to a question I sent them on twitter in the offseason

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@StFlo87 didnt do a lot as a pass rusher, but had fifth best % of stops relative to time on field of all 3-4 ends

Ruby2 · 10-10-2012, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by CleatMarks

So you don't know but you heard from another anonymous internet poster...and you laugh at bleacher report?????

I'm calling BS on that poster then.

I trust said poster a bunch more than bleacher report.

And as mentioned already here, PFF has liked Wilkerson a lot since day one.

CleatMarks · 10-10-2012, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Revis

here's a response to a question I sent them on twitter in the offseason

okay, they're saying he's good against the run... I can buy that. That's not saying 3rd best though. That's really all I'm questioning. I'm not saying he sucks.

New Jerzey Jet · 10-10-2012, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruby2

Wilks is like the 3rd ranked 3-4 dlinemen in the league, Coples has had limited snaps in 5 career games.

Jets fans

not even close...

Revis · 10-10-2012, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by CleatMarks

okay, they're saying he's good against the run... I can buy that. That's not saying 3rd best though. That's really all I'm questioning. I'm not saying he sucks.

That's a fair point, we took him with the mindset he would be able to get us some pass rush when we use him inside on a 4 man d-line. He hasn't been that so far and year 2 he has struggled from my untrained eye as well. We have to be patient with these kids though

cant wait · 10-10-2012, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by iahawkeyejet

Another clueless statement from a Jets fan that doesn't know what being solid 3-4 DE looks like.

For anyone wanting to point fingers at our run defense, you better point to those 4 players right behind the D-Line first.

don't bother explaining. chicks only dig the long ball

10-10-2012, 10:46 PM	#33
Revis Veteran Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,973	Prisoner of the moment threads like this, it might be time to sign off. Wilkerson had a promising rookie campaign playing every game and improving as the year went on. His pass rush isn't Trevor Pryce-esque from a 3 technique as promised by Rex but the kid still needs time coming from Temple. Coples has been silent, it isnt Gholston because he does break through a couple times each game but to me he doesnt use his hands or leverage well at the moment. Time will tell but any conclusions right now are crazy Last edited by Revis; 10-10-2012 at 10:49 PM.

10-10-2012, 10:37 PM	#27
Green Bandit is liking the moves Practice Squad Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 432	Hey guys FYI 4-3 DE =/= 3-4 DE 3-4 DEs are supposed to fill gaps so that linebackers can make plays. Wilkersons objective isn't to sack or attack the passer as much as take on two blockers so that a linebacker has a clear lane. The problem is we have no linebackers. As for Coples, give the man time. He was in the backfield quite a few times on Monday Night. Patience people.

10-10-2012, 10:38 PM	#29
FijiJet waiting for our pass rush thunderbolt All League Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 3,439	He's very effective at doing what's been asked of him. Problem is the narcoleptic lb's who can't make useful things out of the opportunities being given them.He's frequently double teamed but they are just to slow and lumbering to finish rb's/qb's off.