We Lost This Game Because Rex Ryan's Strategy Doesn't Work, Not Mark Sanchez

[GreenWave]

Originally Posted by augustiniak

in a game in which there were plenty of errors, why does the game come down to only sanchez's mistakes?

Because his errors stand out larger than anyone else's, and because it's the MO with this guy. If you look at this game in a vaccuum, it's impossible to blame Sanchez. But a fan of this team is going to recall his recent play when evaluating his performance, and it's the same thing week-in and week-out.

You want to lay blame at Hill for not catching the 3rd-down pass? Well, I can't really argue that. But the Pats are driving for a TD instead of a FG if he's able to either hand the ball off to Greene successfully OR hit Hill wide open for a TD. When does Sanchez make the necessary plays and avoid the killer mistakes that make the difference in games?

[SlickBri481]

Rex is doing a good job with what he has to work with. Revis goes down, D hasn't missed a beat. We've gotten great contributions from our young WRs. What Rex cannot overcome is a turnover prone QB that ranges from great to horrible, often within a quarter.

We traded up to #5 in the draft to get a franchise QB that could torch bad pass Ds. Instead, we got a QB that can put up numbers on a bad pass D, but still makes enough mistakes to the point where the decent numbers don't even matter. You're OK with mediocre QB play, you've made that well known. Some of us, however, are not.

[JetinHuntersville]

Originally Posted by augustiniak

in a game in which there were plenty of errors, why does the game come down to only sanchez's mistakes?

It doesn't, but he is supposed to be the leader and he isn't getting the job done and is, in fact, still making rookie mistakes. A good QB sees a WR running across the field waving frantically at him. A good QB hits a WR when the guy is open, not significantly late when the guy has already outrun his arm. He is the guy that needs to improve or this team is not going anywhere.

There is no excuse for the play calling on 3rd and 1 on the 3 when you rushed th eball all the way down the field. There is no excuse for Hill trying to run on that last possession in reg time before he caught the ball and then dropped it. There is no excuse to rush 3 linemen to prevent OT and go into a prevent D when your regular D was doing just fine all game.

All that being said, if the QB play does not improve we are not going anywhere. The Patsies were there for the taking and we puckered up.

[JetinHuntersville]

Originally Posted by freestater

On the int., I fault Sanchez more for not hitting a WIDE open Greene for an easy 1st down, instead forcing the big throw and not looking off.

I don't understand people's problem with the sack at the end of reg. though. Smart move IMO. It forces the pats to use a TO. The less Brady has of those at the end of a game, the better.

The FG comes before the timeout in priority. He made it a 10 yard longer FG to make. If he does not come up clutch on the FG who cares how much tine Brady has.

[section314]

SAR....with you totally on the defense, NEVER can put game away. But, don't forget that twice in last 3 weeks Sanchez has had ball at end of game with chance to win, and we get INT(Texans) and incomprehensible fumble yesterday. The guy is not the answer, and unfortunately, the people who could change that don't agree.

[jetstream23]

Originally Posted by JetinHuntersville

The FG comes before the timeout in priority. He made it a 10 yard longer FG to make. If he does not come up clutch on the FG who cares how much tine Brady has.

Could have been even worse.

With our luck Sanchez tries to throw it away, gets Intentional Grounding and stops the clock AND losing yards.

[CanadaSteve]

Originally Posted by SAR I

....or, our undermanned and overwhelmed offense did an admirable job in controlling the ball, keeping the defense off the field and fresh and they blew both a 4th quarter lead and the game winner in OT.

The defense is SUPPOSED to shut teams down, remember? That's why we burn all these draft picks on that side of the ball, remember?

Our pathetic air attack is supposed to stay out of the way while the ground game and defense get the wins. How'd we rush yesterday? How many attempts was Sanchez forced to make? How was the pass rush yesterday? How many field-position changing sacks did they make?

It's swell to say, gee, we held the Patriots to only 20 points but 6 of them happened in a 3 minute span when the defense was rested and ready to go. And, per usual since 2010, they blew a 4th quarter lead and lost the game on a single drive in OT.

Defense is how we're supposed to win, they're who you blame when we lose like we did yesterday. Mark Sanchez, with crap for WR's and a running game that fell apart late was the only reason we were in that game. He led us to a comeback from a 10 point fourth quarter deficit. He went 9 for 10 on his final TD drive. He's not the reason we lost it.

SAR I

Pipe down SAR....you'll live longer.
Defense did not lose that game.
Its not even arguable.
Stephen Hill catches that pass, we are not even talking right now...we are celebrating a great win.
Sanchez doesn't throw that lame duck up for a pick, Sparano doesn't make that ridiculous play call, Rex and Pettine don't lose their stones.
Defense played great yesterday.

[Salz]

SAR's arguments regarding this Rex/Sanchez dynamic rarely makes sense. We managed to get to two AFC title games with terrible QB production. He doesn't understand how difficult that is. Can anyone imagine what this teams record would be if Peyton Manning was QB? Or they'd at least be 1 or 2 wins better with some reasonable talent on offense.

SAR blames Rex for Sanchez's struggles and the lack of talent around him. Rex doesn't put the players on the field. He offers insight into personnel moves, that is all.

I believe SAR actually believes Rex convinced Tanny that they should ignore the offense. "Hey Mike, I only care about defense. Offensively, we just need to run the ball. So ignore the WR position." In actuality, it was Tanny who blew it by signing Plaxico and not unearthing any gems at the WR position. He also gave Rex Greene to be the ground and pound back, and he's not that good. Rex didn't enthusiastically endorse Wayne Hunter or Slauson. These are PERSONNEL decisions that Tanny makes the final call on.

Blaming Rex's philosophy for the lack of talent on the field is ridiculous. Rex has his flaws, quite a few of them, but SAR is completely off when he posts nonsense like this.

[Salz]

And there has been nothing wrong with drafting defensive players in the first round. The Giants have done it often and hit on quite a few. Why they're so much better on offense is because they have an accurate clutch QB and a bunch of WR's. One guy goes out, another solid guy steps in. Our depth at WR is poor and that's not Rex's fault.

[Nike]

blame.............somebody has to bear it in a loss like this.

coaching play calling players on the field? theres plenty of blame to pass around on this one.

[freestater]

Originally Posted by CanadaSteve

Pipe down SAR....you'll live longer.

debatable.

Defense did not lose that game.
Its not even arguable.
Stephen Hill catches that pass, we are not even talking right now...we are celebrating a great win.
Sanchez doesn't throw that lame duck up for a pick, Sparano doesn't make that ridiculous play call, Rex and Pettine don't lose their stones.
Defense played great yesterday.

don't forget the sp. teams runback.

[rextilleon]

Between them, in the first six games---how many sacks do our two number ones, Wilkerson and Coples have between them? You can only laugh at the delusions of some FANatics.

[Schvatz44]

Originally Posted by JetinHuntersville

Are you kidding? Sanchez not executing and one boneheaded call at the goal line caused this. I want Sanchez to succeed and always have, but it is becoming very clear he dose not see the field.

On the interception at the goal line, he was probably almost 3 seconds late throwing that. If he throws it anywhere nearly on time it is an easy catch and run for a TD while the receiver is wide open. He, of course is severely late and can;t even reach the WR by the time he throws it.

On the sack that almost killed their chance to foce OT, what the hell is he thiking. I know PopWarner players who know better then to hold onto a ball there. Not only that, The entire play #87 is running wide open across the field waving his hands and Sanchez didn't see him. Sanchez is a problem and Tebow is certainly not the answer.

C'mon man, couple of things about the points you just made.

1. Sanchez in the second half was about as good as we could have asked him to be. 16/20 for 190 yards and a touchdown. He single-handedly led the 92 yard touchdown drive to bring the game within three points. And yes, that 3rd and 1 call with the slant was an atrocious call.

2. I agree that the interception was simply gross, as he saw the play develop too late. That was a missed opportunity and inexcusable. But to say that he wasn't seeing the field all game is a hyperbole. Yes there were certainly some missed opportunities, but he doesn't throw for a 68% completion percentage and over 300 yards by not seeing the field.

3. The sack that he took at the end of the fourth quarter was absolutely the correct play. In that situation, if there is nothing open, you can not force the ball in somewhere and risk a turnover. Additionally, if Sanchez throws the ball out of bounds, which you claim any Pop Warner quarterback would do, that saves the Patriots a timeout. Yes he lost about 10 yards or so, but the sack certainly does not take you out of field goal range at that point, and it takes a timeout away from the Pats.

I hate to consistently come off as a Sanchez apologist, but this loss was simply not his fault. Missed opportunities and a lack of the defense getting off the field late in the game is.

I completely agree with SAR here. He is not saying the defense did not perform well throughout the entire game, he is simply saying at the END of the game, the defense did not come up clutch. You have to stop Brady in that last drive, and you can not allow the Patriots to move the ball down the field in OT.

[Warfish]

SAR's weekly "Sanchez Defense & Fire Ryan" Thread, eh?

[afesposit]

that rushing 3 guys against tom brady is ridiculously stupid?

Is anyone shocked he picked that **** apart? That was a joke.



Leaving him w/ 90 seconds was a joke too....


A great man once said, "You play to win the game... Hello!"

The Jets played to survive the game. That was a true SOJ moment....

[rextilleon]

The vaunted Ryan defense has a very bad habit of failing at the end of the game. You can delude yourself as much as you want, but the fact remains, that a good defense is there in crunch time.

[jetglass]

Originally Posted by SAR I

It's we're now coming up on two years since we've beaten a team that ends the season with a winning record, just beating the scrubs and losing to the decent teams time and time again.

Since the day he got here Rex Ryan has preached that our success will be on a shut-down defense and a ground-and-pound rushing attack. Despite little regular season success in his first three years, he stuck to this strategy, unwilling to bend, unwilling to roll with the changes in the NFL. Still thinking we can emulate the 1985 Bears defense and the 1959 Packers offense and go all the way. Mike Tannenbaum buys-in, so he spends all the good draft picks on defense, thinking Rex can mold questionable rookies into league powerhouses.

Yesterday followed the Rex Ryan 2010 script to a tee with one glaring exception- the offense is left with no playmakers to bail the defense out of another 4th quarter collapse. With players like Braylon Edwards, Santonio Holmes, Plaxico Burress, and Ladanian Tomlinson we were able to survive the defensive failures against the likes of the Browns, Lions, Broncos, Texans, and Colts in 2010 and remain somewhat competitive early in 2011. But in late 2011 and 2012, those days are over. The defense continues to let us down when it matters most, the running game gets stuffed when it matters most, Mark Sanchez doesn't have a supporting aerial cast to win the game late.

Yesterday's disaster is on the defense. They sh-t the bed with 1:30 remaining, sh-t the bed the very next drive in OT. Mark Sanchez did a very good job with the crap tools he has and until he gets more receiving options we're going to continue to suffer against good teams who can make plays in crunch time where we can't.

SAR I

Ageed for the most part but your thread doesnt match the title. The title is better. The defense did not let us down in the final 1:30, rather it was the defensive coaching of playing prevent defense.

[jetrider]

Originally Posted by SAR I

The defense continues to let us down when it matters most, the running game gets stuffed when it matters most, Mark Sanchez chokes when it matters most.

Fixed.

Originally Posted by SAR I

Yesterday's disaster is on the defense. They sh-t the bed with 1:30 remaining, sh-t the bed the very next drive in OT.

SAR I

Entering yesterday, Patriots offense was ranked #1 overall in the NFL, #1 in many subcategories.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by GreenWave

Because his errors stand out larger than anyone else's, and because it's the MO with this guy. If you look at this game in a vaccuum, it's impossible to blame Sanchez. But a fan of this team is going to recall his recent play when evaluating his performance, and it's the same thing week-in and week-out.

You want to lay blame at Hill for not catching the 3rd-down pass?

Actually, I'm going to lay blame on the Defense Not stopping the Pats WHEN IT COUNTED.

Despite all the mistakes and mental errors committed by Sanchez and the O(as well as Special Teams giving up that TD), if the Jets So-called Vaunted Defense managed to stop Brady during the last drive of regulation, EVERYTHING else regarding the mistakes and mental errors would be rendered MOOT! And we'd be discussing a hard-fought 26-23 Jets win.

[RevisCroWilson]

Originally Posted by SAR I

It's we're now coming up on two years since we've beaten a team that ends the season with a winning record, just beating the scrubs and losing to the decent teams time and time again.

Since the day he got here Rex Ryan has preached that our success will be on a shut-down defense and a ground-and-pound rushing attack. Despite little regular season success in his first three years, he stuck to this strategy, unwilling to bend, unwilling to roll with the changes in the NFL. Still thinking we can emulate the 1985 Bears defense and the 1959 Packers offense and go all the way. Mike Tannenbaum buys-in, so he spends all the good draft picks on defense, thinking Rex can mold questionable rookies into league powerhouses.

Yesterday followed the Rex Ryan 2010 script to a tee with one glaring exception- the offense is left with no playmakers to bail the defense out of another 4th quarter collapse. With players like Braylon Edwards, Santonio Holmes, Plaxico Burress, and Ladanian Tomlinson we were able to survive the defensive failures against the likes of the Browns, Lions, Broncos, Texans, and Colts in 2010 and remain somewhat competitive early in 2011. But in late 2011 and 2012, those days are over. The defense continues to let us down when it matters most, the running game gets stuffed when it matters most, Mark Sanchez doesn't have a supporting aerial cast to win the game late.

Yesterday's disaster is on the defense. They sh-t the bed with 1:30 remaining, sh-t the bed the very next drive in OT. Mark Sanchez did a very good job with the crap tools he has and until he gets more receiving options we're going to continue to suffer against good teams who can make plays in crunch time where we can't.

SAR I

Did rex sleep with your wife??