" Class of '12 : Assessing the Jets' draft " ~ ~ ~

kelly · 11-05-2012, 08:23 AM

Class of '12: Assessing the Jets' draft

A bye-week evaluation of the Jets' draft class, including an update on the five players chosen after the Jets' pick for all you second-guessers out there :

FIRST ROUND

16. DE Quinton Coples -- He got off to a slow start, but his playing time has increased in recent weeks. He has received more action than any other Jets rookie. He has two sacks and five tackles-for-loss.

What might have been : 17. CB Dre Kirkpatrick, Bengals; 18. OLB Melvin Ingram, Chargers; 19. DE Shea McClellin, Bears; 20. WR Kendall Wright, Titans; 21. DE Chandler Jones, Patriots.

Skinny : The Jets needed an edge rusher in the worst way, and they passed on a good one. Jones has six sacks, three forced fumbles and could win NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year.

SECOND ROUND

11. WR Stephen Hill -- He has experienced extreme highs and lows. Hill has four drops and he's as raw as sushi, still learning how to run pass routes. He has 14 catches, a 14.0 yard-per-catch average and 3 TDs.

What might have been: 12. OL Jeff Allen, Chiefs; 13. WR Alshon Jeffery, Bears; 14. LB Mychal Kendricks, Eagles; 15. LB Bobby Wagner, Seahawks; 16. S Tavon Wilson, Patriots.

Skinny: The only player that matters here, for the purpose of comparison, is Jeffery, whose stats are almost identical to those of Hill -- 14 catches, 13.1 average, 2 TDs.

THIRD ROUND

14. LB DeMario Davis -- He has played the last two games for the injured Bart Scott. Davis brings a different dimension to the linebacking corps. He's more of a sideline-to-sideline player, as opposed to a downhill linebacker. He has 15 tackles.

What might have been: 15. TE Michael Egnew, Dolphins; 16. S Brandon Hardin, Bears; 17. DB Jamell Fleming, Cards; 18. DE Tyrone Crawford, Cowboys; 19. DT Mike Martin, Titans.

Skinny: No one jumps off the page here. Martin has two sacks in a reserve role; Fleming has started two games.

SIXTH ROUND

17. S Josh Bush -- He has been a solid contributor on special teams, but Bush -- a sleeper pick -- has yet to make any mark on defense. He has only two tackles in very limited action.

What might have been: 18. LB Danny Trevathan, Broncos; 19. DT Chris Bilukidi, Raiders; 20. S Markelle Martin, Titans; 21. RB Dan Herron, Bengals; 22. S Charles Mitchell, Falcons.

Skinny: No one has distinguished himself. Trevathan and Martin have small roles.

SIXTH ROUND

32., 33. RB Terrance Ganaway, OT Robert Griffin -- The Jets went 0-for-2 here, as neither player made the team. That's a surprise, because GM Mike Tannenbaum hates to cut draft picks.

What might have been: 34. LB Emmanuel Acho, Browns; 35. DT Billy Winn, Browns; 36. WR LaVon Brazill, Colts; 37. P Brad Nortman, Panthers; 1. (Seventh round) G Justin Anderson, Colts.

Skinny: The Browns found a nice player in Winn, who has started eight games and has one sack. You're doing well anytime you can find an immediate contributor this late in the draft.

SEVENTH ROUND

35. S Antonio Allen, 37. WR Jordan White -- Allen was the Jets' best late-round pick in this draft. He was a key contributor on defense in the win over the Colts, covering the tight end. He has one sack and has the potential to be productive on special teams. White is on the practice squad.

What might have been: 36. QB B.J. Coleman, Packers; 38. DB Trevin Wade, Browns; 39. DB Terrence Frederick, Steelers; 40. TE Brad Smelley, Browns; 41. G Kelvin Beachum, Steelers.

Skinny: Any second-guessing this late in the draft would be irresponsible. The Jets are happy with Allen, and none of these other players have contributed.

Summary: The Jets found three starting-type players with Coples, Hill and Davis. By next year, all three should be regulars. Any draft that produces three starters has to be considered solid. But all three still need a lot of development, especially Hill, so it's hard to predict the upside of the draft. The Jets will hear years of criticism if Jones continues to shine and Coples turns out to be just a regular guy.

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rextilleon · 11-05-2012, 08:47 AM

Coples will always be just a regular guy--mark my words.

kelly · 11-05-2012, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by rextilleon

Coples will always be just a regular guy--mark my words.

kinda like bryan thomas

kennyo7 · 11-05-2012, 11:39 AM

The only guy I wish we had gotten is Vontaze Burfict. The guy looks solid and was an UDFA. Pairing him with Davis on the inside would have made for a potentially awesome LB corps.

Eckesg1 · 11-05-2012, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by kennyo7

The only guy I wish we had gotten is Vontaze Burfict. The guy looks solid and was an UDFA. Pairing him with Davis on the inside would have made for a potentially awesome LB corps.

Well Burfict, if you remember, had a ton, and I mean a ton, of logistical and personality issues.

kennyo7 · 11-05-2012, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Eckesg1

Well Burfict, if you remember, had a ton, and I mean a ton, of logistical and personality issues.

Yes but he also had a ton of potential. Certainly worth a 6th or 7th Rd pick and look at him now with Cincinnati.

jetstream23 · 11-05-2012, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by kennyo7

The only guy I wish we had gotten is Vontaze Burfict. The guy looks solid and was an UDFA. Pairing him with Davis on the inside would have made for a potentially awesome LB corps.

Would have used a 7th on him. Low risk, high potential reward. It's how you get guys like Jason Ferguson who ended up being a very solid defender for the Jets for a decade.

kelly · 11-05-2012, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by kennyo7

Yes but he also had a ton of potential. Certainly worth a 6th or 7th Rd pick and look at him now with Cincinnati.

" ...personality issues. "

~ ~ he'll fit right in w/cincinnati's roster

Dupe · 11-05-2012, 01:42 PM

Pretty much a completely useless article. But, it is a long two weeks when you have a bye.

kelly · 11-08-2012, 08:13 AM

i think coples & hill are gonna turn out to be pretty good picks

...i hope so,....anyway

kelly · 11-08-2012, 10:35 AM

Grading AFC East rookies classes

The first half of the NFL season is in the books, which means this is a good time for reflections.All four AFC East teams were happy with their rookie draft classes in April. But is that still the case after seeing them for eight games in November?

Here is our midseason report card for AFC East rookies :

Buffalo Bills (3-5)

Notable draft picks: CB Stephon Gilmore, LT Cordy Glenn, WR T.J. Graham

Analysis: Buffalo got pretty good production early from its top two picks: Gilmore and Glenn. Both were immediately starters but Glenn suffered an injury that slowed him down. Gilmore is learning on the job but is having a solid rookie season. He leads Buffalo with 11 pass defenses. The Bills haven’t gotten much else from this rookie class. Still, filling the premium positions of cornerback and left tackle for the long-term raises the grade.

Grade: C

Miami Dolphins (4-4)

Notable draft picks: QB Ryan Tannehill, RT Jonathan Martin, DE Olivier Vernon, RB Lamar Miller

Analysis: Dolphins general manager Jeff Ireland had another stellar draft class, and it’s a major reason Miami is in contention. He landed a franchise quarterback in Tannehill, which are always bonus points. Martin has started every game at right tackle and is holding his own. He will only improve. Vernon has been a terror on special teams and off the bench. He already has 2.5 sacks, two blocked field goals and a punt block recovered for a touchdown. Miller is the third running back but has contributed in spot duty. He averages 5.5 yards per carry. You can’t ask for more from a rookie class.

Grade: A

New England Patriots (5-3)

Notable draft picks: DE Chandler Jones, LB Dont'a Hightower, DB Tavon Wilson, DB Alfonzo Dennard

Analysis: Jones is a home run for New England. He has six sacks already this season and has brought a much-needed pass rush to the Patriots’ defense. Hightower was a physical presence early in the season but has battled through injury. Wilson and Dennard have been pleasant surprises. New England’s secondary has struggled mightily, which has opened up some opportunities for both rookies to get playing time and make a contribution. Wilson and Denard have combined for five interceptions.

Grade: A-

~ ~ New York Jets (3-5)

Notable draft picks: DE Quinton Coples, WR Stephen Hill, LB DeMario Davis

Thoughts : Coples has 15 tackles and two sacks. He has the physical tools but hasn’t made the immediate impact the Jets expected. Hill continues to be a raw prospect. He’s made some nice plays but also suffered a lot of drops. Davis is getting increased playing time with veteran Bart Scott (toe) injured. Bush has been a nice contributor on special teams, but continues to sit behind veteran safeties LaRon Landry and Yeremiah Bell on defense.

Grade: C-

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11-05-2012, 08:23 AM	#1
kelly is dancing w/ the devil ... in the pale moonlite ;) ~ ~ Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: dunwoody, ga ! ! Posts: 10,776	" Class of '12 : Assessing the Jets' draft " ~ ~ ~ Class of '12: Assessing the Jets' draft A bye-week evaluation of the Jets' draft class, including an update on the five players chosen after the Jets' pick for all you second-guessers out there : FIRST ROUND 16. DE Quinton Coples -- He got off to a slow start, but his playing time has increased in recent weeks. He has received more action than any other Jets rookie. He has two sacks and five tackles-for-loss. What might have been : 17. CB Dre Kirkpatrick, Bengals; 18. OLB Melvin Ingram, Chargers; 19. DE Shea McClellin, Bears; 20. WR Kendall Wright, Titans; 21. DE Chandler Jones, Patriots. Skinny : The Jets needed an edge rusher in the worst way, and they passed on a good one. Jones has six sacks, three forced fumbles and could win NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year. SECOND ROUND 11. WR Stephen Hill -- He has experienced extreme highs and lows. Hill has four drops and he's as raw as sushi, still learning how to run pass routes. He has 14 catches, a 14.0 yard-per-catch average and 3 TDs. What might have been: 12. OL Jeff Allen, Chiefs; 13. WR Alshon Jeffery, Bears; 14. LB Mychal Kendricks, Eagles; 15. LB Bobby Wagner, Seahawks; 16. S Tavon Wilson, Patriots. Skinny: The only player that matters here, for the purpose of comparison, is Jeffery, whose stats are almost identical to those of Hill -- 14 catches, 13.1 average, 2 TDs. THIRD ROUND 14. LB DeMario Davis -- He has played the last two games for the injured Bart Scott. Davis brings a different dimension to the linebacking corps. He's more of a sideline-to-sideline player, as opposed to a downhill linebacker. He has 15 tackles. What might have been: 15. TE Michael Egnew, Dolphins; 16. S Brandon Hardin, Bears; 17. DB Jamell Fleming, Cards; 18. DE Tyrone Crawford, Cowboys; 19. DT Mike Martin, Titans. Skinny: No one jumps off the page here. Martin has two sacks in a reserve role; Fleming has started two games. SIXTH ROUND 17. S Josh Bush -- He has been a solid contributor on special teams, but Bush -- a sleeper pick -- has yet to make any mark on defense. He has only two tackles in very limited action. What might have been: 18. LB Danny Trevathan, Broncos; 19. DT Chris Bilukidi, Raiders; 20. S Markelle Martin, Titans; 21. RB Dan Herron, Bengals; 22. S Charles Mitchell, Falcons. Skinny: No one has distinguished himself. Trevathan and Martin have small roles. SIXTH ROUND 32., 33. RB Terrance Ganaway, OT Robert Griffin -- The Jets went 0-for-2 here, as neither player made the team. That's a surprise, because GM Mike Tannenbaum hates to cut draft picks. What might have been: 34. LB Emmanuel Acho, Browns; 35. DT Billy Winn, Browns; 36. WR LaVon Brazill, Colts; 37. P Brad Nortman, Panthers; 1. (Seventh round) G Justin Anderson, Colts. Skinny: The Browns found a nice player in Winn, who has started eight games and has one sack. You're doing well anytime you can find an immediate contributor this late in the draft. SEVENTH ROUND 35. S Antonio Allen, 37. WR Jordan White -- Allen was the Jets' best late-round pick in this draft. He was a key contributor on defense in the win over the Colts, covering the tight end. He has one sack and has the potential to be productive on special teams. White is on the practice squad. What might have been: 36. QB B.J. Coleman, Packers; 38. DB Trevin Wade, Browns; 39. DB Terrence Frederick, Steelers; 40. TE Brad Smelley, Browns; 41. G Kelvin Beachum, Steelers. Skinny: Any second-guessing this late in the draft would be irresponsible. The Jets are happy with Allen, and none of these other players have contributed. Summary: The Jets found three starting-type players with Coples, Hill and Davis. By next year, all three should be regulars. Any draft that produces three starters has to be considered solid. But all three still need a lot of development, especially Hill, so it's hard to predict the upside of the draft. The Jets will hear years of criticism if Jones continues to shine and Coples turns out to be just a regular guy. > http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jet...ssessing-draft

11-05-2012, 08:47 AM	#2
rextilleon Is Itzdik the Man? All League Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,650	Coples will always be just a regular guy--mark my words.

11-05-2012, 11:39 AM	#4
kennyo7 All Pro Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 7,402	The only guy I wish we had gotten is Vontaze Burfict. The guy looks solid and was an UDFA. Pairing him with Davis on the inside would have made for a potentially awesome LB corps.

11-05-2012, 01:42 PM	#9
Dupe Undrafted Free Agent Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 230	Pretty much a completely useless article. But, it is a long two weeks when you have a bye.

11-08-2012, 08:13 AM	#10
kelly is dancing w/ the devil ... in the pale moonlite ;) ~ ~ Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: dunwoody, ga ! ! Posts: 10,776	i think coples & hill are gonna turn out to be pretty good picks ...i hope so,....anyway

11-08-2012, 10:35 AM	#11
kelly is dancing w/ the devil ... in the pale moonlite ;) ~ ~ Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: dunwoody, ga ! ! Posts: 10,776	Grading AFC East rookies classes The first half of the NFL season is in the books, which means this is a good time for reflections.All four AFC East teams were happy with their rookie draft classes in April. But is that still the case after seeing them for eight games in November? Here is our midseason report card for AFC East rookies : Buffalo Bills (3-5) Notable draft picks: CB Stephon Gilmore, LT Cordy Glenn, WR T.J. Graham Analysis: Buffalo got pretty good production early from its top two picks: Gilmore and Glenn. Both were immediately starters but Glenn suffered an injury that slowed him down. Gilmore is learning on the job but is having a solid rookie season. He leads Buffalo with 11 pass defenses. The Bills haven’t gotten much else from this rookie class. Still, filling the premium positions of cornerback and left tackle for the long-term raises the grade. Grade: C Miami Dolphins (4-4) Notable draft picks: QB Ryan Tannehill, RT Jonathan Martin, DE Olivier Vernon, RB Lamar Miller Analysis: Dolphins general manager Jeff Ireland had another stellar draft class, and it’s a major reason Miami is in contention. He landed a franchise quarterback in Tannehill, which are always bonus points. Martin has started every game at right tackle and is holding his own. He will only improve. Vernon has been a terror on special teams and off the bench. He already has 2.5 sacks, two blocked field goals and a punt block recovered for a touchdown. Miller is the third running back but has contributed in spot duty. He averages 5.5 yards per carry. You can’t ask for more from a rookie class. Grade: A New England Patriots (5-3) Notable draft picks: DE Chandler Jones, LB Dont'a Hightower, DB Tavon Wilson, DB Alfonzo Dennard Analysis: Jones is a home run for New England. He has six sacks already this season and has brought a much-needed pass rush to the Patriots’ defense. Hightower was a physical presence early in the season but has battled through injury. Wilson and Dennard have been pleasant surprises. New England’s secondary has struggled mightily, which has opened up some opportunities for both rookies to get playing time and make a contribution. Wilson and Denard have combined for five interceptions. Grade: A- ~ ~ New York Jets (3-5) Notable draft picks: DE Quinton Coples, WR Stephen Hill, LB DeMario Davis Thoughts : Coples has 15 tackles and two sacks. He has the physical tools but hasn’t made the immediate impact the Jets expected. Hill continues to be a raw prospect. He’s made some nice plays but also suffered a lot of drops. Davis is getting increased playing time with veteran Bart Scott (toe) injured. Bush has been a nice contributor on special teams, but continues to sit behind veteran safeties LaRon Landry and Yeremiah Bell on defense. Grade: C- > http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post...ookies-classes