Vontaze Burfict

bgivs21 · 11-28-2012, 10:28 AM

http://www.cincyjungle.com/2012/10/2...-rookie-tackle

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Bengals linebacker Vontaze Burfict is on pace to break a 36-year old franchise rookie record.
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Did you know that the National Football League doesn't view tackles as an official statistic. It's true. Even though they're listed at NFL.com's statistical page, nothing more than a compilation of the NFL.com's Game Book which is generated in real-time, the tackling numbers aren't a very reliable source for a given players official tackles. It's why you see several entities provide differing statistics, some using the Game Books, others using their own numbers describing tackles.
Most teams accumulate their own numbers, including the Cincinnati Bengals while fans and the media often use "press box" statistics.
For example NFL.com has outside linebacker Vontaze Burfict generating 48 tackles this season. Yet the coaching staff reportedly has Burfict making 62 tackles this year, including 16 against the Pittsburgh Steelers last Sunday Night. We're not exactly sure why the massive difference, other than those tackles made during obstructive piles that requires replay to adjust.
That being said, Burfict's pace of 120 tackles this year will break the franchise rookie record of 106 tackles set by Reggie Williams in 1976.
Joe Reedy with the Cincinnati Enquirer wrote a great piece on Burfict over the weekend, how far he's come and the impact Marvin Lewis has had on the rookie linebacker.

Good for Burfict going from top prospect to undrafted and then back to top prospect. I really liked him at one point and thought we should have drafted him in the 2nd (would have helped our lb situation) but then soured on him after listening to all those stupid analysts talk about his problems, ALL OF WHICH were way overblown about how he was crazy. It's a good story, good for him.

DDNYjets · 11-28-2012, 10:33 AM

Good for him. I guess he is finally starting to get it. Very talented kid who lost his way for a while.

I can't kill the Jets for not picking him. He was a train wreck last year. And if he was here, he would not be having the same success, that is for sure.

jetsfan1983 · 11-28-2012, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by bgivs21

http://www.cincyjungle.com/2012/10/2...-rookie-tackle

Good for Burfict going from top prospect to undrafted and then back to top prospect. I really liked him at one point and thought we should have drafted him in the 2nd (would have helped our lb situation) but then soured on him after listening to all those stupid analysts talk about his problems, ALL OF WHICH were way overblown about how he was crazy. It's a good story, good for him.

Number of tackles means very little in the NFL.

During years where we were garbage against the run, our linebackers were leading the NFL in tackles when it was clear that they sucked.

Burfict wasn't dropping primarily because he was crazy, it was because the guy has ZERO hips and doesn't have NFL quickness.

RIght now he's your typical adequate at times starter... He's not a significant factor so it's not worth praising him much.

DDNYjets · 11-28-2012, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by jetsfan1983

Number of tackles means very little in the NFL.

During years where we were garbage against the run, our linebackers were leading the NFL in tackles when it was clear that they sucked.

Burfict wasn't dropping primarily because he was crazy, it was because the guy has ZERO hips and doesn't have NFL quickness.

RIght now he's your typical adequate at times starter... He's not a significant factor so it's not worth praising him much.

He did pick off Tebow on a great play.

Just sayin.

PMarsico9 · 11-28-2012, 10:46 AM

Burfict's been pretty good.

But he's not Kuechly. That guy's everywhere.

So is Laurenitis.

124 · 11-28-2012, 10:50 AM

Good for him.

The guy was unfairly criticized for his tendency to get a little crazy on the field and for not having a good 40 time in shorts and a air tight tank top. This is why I hate the NFL Combine.

eaglenj · 11-28-2012, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by jetsfan1983

Number of tackles means very little in the NFL.

During years where we were garbage against the run, our linebackers were leading the NFL in tackles when it was clear that they sucked.

Burfict wasn't dropping primarily because he was crazy, it was because the guy has ZERO hips and doesn't have NFL quickness.

RIght now he's your typical adequate at times starter... He's not a significant factor so it's not worth praising him much.

"Adequate at times starter." If the jets had an UDFA with 75+ tackles this board would have put him in the HOF of fame, but hes on the bengals so hes nothing.

Tackles are also not a great stat if you are a safety as they are more indicative of your LBs being poor, but for you to discount tackles for a 4-3 OLB is simply incorrect. Are they as important as sacks, no, but they certainly are indicative of how a player is doing. Ask bart scott if tackles are important.

section314 · 11-28-2012, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by 124

Good for him.

The guy was unfairly criticized for his tendency to get a little crazy on the field and for not having a good 40 time in shorts and a air tight tank top. This is why I hate the NFL Combine.

Didn't they make the same judgement on another Arizona State guy about 8-9 years ago, a player named Terrell Suggs?

124 · 11-28-2012, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by section314

Didn't they make the same judgement on another Arizona State guy about 8-9 years ago, a player named Terrell Suggs?

Haha, I was thinking about adding that into my original post but I don't think Burfict will be as good as Suggs so I left it out, but good point.

section314 · 11-28-2012, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by 124

Haha, I was thinking about adding that into my original post but I don't think Burfict will be as good as Suggs so I left it out, but good point.

I agree with you....combine seems way overdone. I would only focus on the personal interview part, and not worry about the "track meet" stuff. That's what you have individual workouts and scouts for.

sec.101row23 · 11-28-2012, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by PMarsico9

Burfict's been pretty good.

But he's not Kuechly. That guy's everywhere.

So is Laurenitis.

No one is saying he is as good as those guys. Those guys were first and second round draft picks respectively. Burfict was an UDFA.

sec.101row23 · 11-28-2012, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by eaglenj

"Adequate at times starter." If the jets had an UDFA with 75+ tackles this board would have put him in the HOF of fame, but hes on the bengals so hes nothing.

Tackles are also not a great stat if you are a safety as they are more indicative of your LBs being poor, but for you to discount tackles for a 4-3 OLB is simply incorrect. Are they as important as sacks, no, but they certainly are indicative of how a player is doing. Ask bart scott if tackles are important.

So true, we have people here who put practice squad guys in the HOF, I can only imagine if an UDFA like Burfict was on this team.

On a side note about the Bengals, IF Revis were to ever be traded, I wouldnt be surprised if the Bengals make a run. They have some extra picks from the Palmer trade and are around 45 million under the cap next year.

Ruby2 · 11-28-2012, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by 124

Good for him.

The guy was unfairly criticized for his tendency to get a little crazy on the field and for not having a good 40 time in shorts and a air tight tank top. This is why I hate the NFL Combine.

How convenient to fail to mention the fact that he didn't produce on the field at all last year.

thshadow · 11-28-2012, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by 124

Good for him.

The guy was unfairly criticized for his tendency to get a little crazy on the field and for not having a good 40 time in shorts and a air tight tank top. This is why I hate the NFL Combine.

He was fairly criticized for being crazy both on and off the field. I don't think you can say he dropped just because of the combine. And note that *no* team took him in *any* round - so it was a pretty unanimous verdict.

I'm happy for him that he's playing good football now. One possibility is that he has some psychological issue, which is either in remission or is being treated now.

TheMo · 11-28-2012, 12:48 PM

Guys he didn't produce on the field the season before his draft, got into fights with the coaching staff at AZ that season, and then topped it off with poor interviews and a 40 time that was slower than some of the slower OL/DL. He showed up out of shape/overweight for what amounts to an interview (the combine), that is indicative of work ethic. I'm happy he's doing well, it's nice to see a guy turn it around. But let's not pretend that he was some sort of wonderful guy who got unfairly judged during the draft process. He brought that upon himself.

Ruby2 · 11-28-2012, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMo

Guys he didn't produce on the field the season before his draft, got into fights with the coaching staff at AZ that season, and then topped it off with poor interviews and a 40 time that was slower than some of the slower OL/DL. He showed up out of shape/overweight for what amounts to an interview (the combine), that is indicative of work ethic. I'm happy he's doing well, it's nice to see a guy turn it around. But let's not pretend that he was some sort of wonderful guy who got unfairly judged during the draft process. He brought that upon himself.

Really all that needs to be said.

Charlie Brown · 11-28-2012, 02:41 PM

[QUOTE=DDNYjets;4703644]Good for him. I guess he is finally starting to get it. Very talented kid who lost his way for a while.

I can't kill the Jets for not picking him. He was a train wreck last year. And if he was here, he would not be having the same success, that is for sure.[/QUOTE]

This 100%

C Mart · 11-28-2012, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMo

Guys he didn't produce on the field the season before his draft, got into fights with the coaching staff at AZ that season, and then topped it off with poor interviews and a 40 time that was slower than some of the slower OL/DL. He showed up out of shape/overweight for what amounts to an interview (the combine), that is indicative of work ethic. I'm happy he's doing well, it's nice to see a guy turn it around. But let's not pretend that he was some sort of wonderful guy who got unfairly judged during the draft process. He brought that upon himself.

Nice job!!

Gastineau99 · 11-28-2012, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by jetsfan1983

Number of tackles means very little in the NFL.

During years where we were garbage against the run, our linebackers were leading the NFL in tackles when it was clear that they sucked.

Burfict wasn't dropping primarily because he was crazy, it was because the guy has ZERO hips and doesn't have NFL quickness.

RIght now he's your typical adequate at times starter... He's not a significant factor so it's not worth praising him much.

If you watch him play, he has been very good for the Bengals. We definitely should have drafted him late. I said it many times. Chalk it up as another Jets draft blunder.

JetsNeedNewton · 11-28-2012, 09:07 PM

The guy is an animal and probably crazy but as I posted way back the wife's (a shrink) ARMCHAIR analysis, based on articles and my descriptions was that aderall probably would have put him on an even keel.

I think DDNY was lobbying for him too. Not saying it was a Jet's mistake not to draft him, but he was picked up after the draft for practice squad money. Couldn't have hurt to take a chance.

11-28-2012, 10:33 AM	#2
DDNYjets Bye week buh bye Rex Hall Of Fame Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: New York Posts: 12,222	Good for him. I guess he is finally starting to get it. Very talented kid who lost his way for a while. I can't kill the Jets for not picking him. He was a train wreck last year. And if he was here, he would not be having the same success, that is for sure.

11-28-2012, 10:46 AM	#5
PMarsico9 This pit has no bottom All League Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,851	Burfict's been pretty good. But he's not Kuechly. That guy's everywhere. So is Laurenitis.

11-28-2012, 10:50 AM	#6
124 All Pro Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 7,964	Good for him. The guy was unfairly criticized for his tendency to get a little crazy on the field and for not having a good 40 time in shorts and a air tight tank top. This is why I hate the NFL Combine.

11-28-2012, 12:48 PM	#15
TheMo All League Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 3,343	Guys he didn't produce on the field the season before his draft, got into fights with the coaching staff at AZ that season, and then topped it off with poor interviews and a 40 time that was slower than some of the slower OL/DL. He showed up out of shape/overweight for what amounts to an interview (the combine), that is indicative of work ethic. I'm happy he's doing well, it's nice to see a guy turn it around. But let's not pretend that he was some sort of wonderful guy who got unfairly judged during the draft process. He brought that upon himself.

11-28-2012, 02:41 PM	#17
Charlie Brown Please Pray for the Safety of Everyone!!! Jets Insider VIP Join Date: May 1999 Location: New York City Posts: 5,508	[QUOTE=DDNYjets;4703644]Good for him. I guess he is finally starting to get it. Very talented kid who lost his way for a while. I can't kill the Jets for not picking him. He was a train wreck last year. And if he was here, he would not be having the same success, that is for sure.[/QUOTE] This 100%

11-28-2012, 09:07 PM	#20
JetsNeedNewton Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 1,675	The guy is an animal and probably crazy but as I posted way back the wife's (a shrink) ARMCHAIR analysis, based on articles and my descriptions was that aderall probably would have put him on an even keel. I think DDNY was lobbying for him too. Not saying it was a Jet's mistake not to draft him, but he was picked up after the draft for practice squad money. Couldn't have hurt to take a chance.