Court strikes down NYPD’s ‘stop and frisk’ policy

[Jetdawgg]

Originally Posted by Winstonbiggs

The police may not be able to protect me but the idea that a hormone and drug infested NY city teenager with a semi automatic hand gun is going to protect me on the streat is outright bat **** crazy.

Who made this claim?

[Jetdawgg]

Originally Posted by 32green

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The police could not protect those kids in Conn. Just another example of how they gov't cannot protect the citizens. That is why we have the right to bear arms.

I saw this movie on tv the other night. The only ones with guns were the Military and the Police. They also had 'Stop and Frisk'. The movie was 'Schindler's List'

[Jetworks]

Originally Posted by Jetdawgg

The police could not protect those kids in Conn. Just another example of how they gov't cannot protect the citizens. That is why we have the right to bear arms.

I saw this movie on tv the other night. The only ones with guns were the Military and the Police. They also had 'Stop and Frisk'. The movie was 'Schindler's List'

And in post #22, we see Godwin's Law in full effect.

Police are here to serve and protect. They are also law enforcement. Not sure why you, a self-professed BoR and Constitution guy, have such a hard time with that concept. Their job is to enforce laws. In doing so, they protect the citizenry from other citizens.

If S&F occurred only in minority communities, you might have a point for stating that it is biased. But it is a tool used across all communities, there's just more need for it in some more than others. Think of it as target marketing in reverse. You aren't looking to pitch Rascal scooters to 20 year olds even though some of them buy your product. Does that mean you don't advertise at all in their demo? Of course not, you just do it less. Most of your advertising money goes to the AARP generation. Is any of that ageism? Nope, just smart business practices. Same for S&F; many of the bad guys, particularly in urban centers, are of black or Hispanic ethnicity. No amount of kumbaya thinking will change that fact. Any debate past that is simple nature v. nurture, and that will likely never have an answer.

[Guy Incognito]

Originally Posted by Jetdawgg

The police could not protect those kids in Conn. Just another example of how they gov't cannot protect the citizens. That is why we have the right to bear arms.

I saw this movie on tv the other night. The only ones with guns were the Military and the Police. They also had 'Stop and Frisk'. The movie was 'Schindler's List'

No you didn't, you just saw a picture that is circulating online with that line tagged to it and added 'Stop and Frisk' to it.

Whoever originally wrote that is a schmuck btw. They should be ashamed of themselves.

[Jetdawgg]

I am not a self professed BoR individual.

I SWORE my life to uphold it. That oath has no expiration date.

Therefore to see it stepped upon by police, who by the are Americans; Americans that I swore to protect like the non LEO Americans and politicians who call themselves 'leaders' when they are servants of the people I feel a need to voice my resistance to that at the very least.

Please don't mix me up with 'talkers'. I am way more than that. Even your mayor, the SaF professor is just a bunch of hot air. He never served and speaks/acts with disregard for the BoR/Constitution.

To even compare violating the rights of American citizens with an ad campaign just speaks of pompousness and callousness toward other Americans.

It is clear to me that the gov't cannot protect American citizens. Look at how many burglaries and such occur daily/weekly/monthly. No matter how many stats or cops the gov't presents, I cannot be fooled into thinking that they can.

I know that a great deal of individuals in NYC are Big Gov't types. I understand that concept. I don't have to agree to it, so I live elsewhere.

SaF MOSTLY occurs and violates the rights of Americans in poorer and minority areas. If those atrocities occurred at the same rate in the Silk Stocking District there would be a new mayor already.

Because so called political 'leaders' like to pick upon the poor and under educated things take a bit longer to get righted. Eventually they do like in this case.

Law enforcement does not mean to address some Americans as people who can have their rights trampled by the police just because of where they live and remain subservient to another class of Americans.

The BoR/Constitution serves each American equally as should law enforcement.

[Jetworks]

Originally Posted by Jetdawgg

I am not a self professed BoR individual.

I SWORE my life to uphold it. That oath has no expiration date.

Therefore to see it stepped upon by police, who by the are Americans; Americans that I swore to protect like the non LEO Americans and politicians who call themselves 'leaders' when they are servants of the people I feel a need to voice my resistance to that at the very least.

Please don't mix me up with 'talkers'. I am way more than that. Even your mayor, the SaF professor is just a bunch of hot air. He never served and speaks/acts with disregard for the BoR/Constitution.

To even compare violating the rights of American citizens with an ad campaign just speaks of pompousness and callousness toward other Americans.

It is clear to me that the gov't cannot protect American citizens. Look at how many burglaries and such occur daily/weekly/monthly. No matter how many stats or cops the gov't presents, I cannot be fooled into thinking that they can.

I know that a great deal of individuals in NYC are Big Gov't types. I understand that concept. I don't have to agree to it, so I live elsewhere.

SaF MOSTLY occurs and violates the rights of Americans in poorer and minority areas. If those atrocities occurred at the same rate in the Silk Stocking District there would be a new mayor already.

Because so called political 'leaders' like to pick upon the poor and under educated things take a bit longer to get righted. Eventually they do like in this case.

Law enforcement does not mean to address some Americans as people who can have their rights trampled by the police just because of where they live and remain subservient to another class of Americans.

The BoR/Constitution serves each American equally as should law enforcement.

You seem to think that because you took an oath at a recruitment office or that you served this country that you are somehow more dedicated to what it stands for. In short, you're an elitist. You only respect the military or those who served.

I am not a big government person. Not sure where you got that. Also not sure where you get that S&F violates someone's rights. Also not sure how it's callous or pompous to use an analogy. If your sensibilities are so easily offended, perhaps it's time to re-assess?

Just an FYI, I swore an oath to uphold the Constitution as well. And since my life was put on the line more than once....

And because there are burglaries that means the cops suck at doing their jobs? By that logic, you and your fellow Marines suck at winning wars. What was your last win, Grenada? Or is there a bit more to the whole story, like inept leadership, pesky orders and rules and other stuff that gets in the way?

Poor people commit more violent crime than rich people. Fact. More AA and Hispanics are poor than other ethnicities in urban centers. Fact. You would rather subject the minority demographic of criminals to an equal amount of suspicion in the name of "fairness". That is decidedly un-Constitutional, to say nothing of a waste of time, money and man-power. That was why I used the analogy I did. You can't choose to ignore the BoR/Constitution when you see fit, like you do by decrying that the "Silk Stocking District" isn't S&F often enough for your tastes.

SMEAC. It works in war, policing and advertising.

[Jetdawgg]

One does not have to be a scholar to realize that person who risks their life on something has more skin in the game than a talker.

I respect ALL Americans equally. Regardless of class or race. They are Americans. It was not intended for you to think that you personally are a Big gov't type. It was a sentence directed at the overall mindset of NY'ers.

Sometimes things cannot present itself well on this medium.

SaF is a clear violation of the 4th Amendment:
The Fourth Amendment (Amendment IV) to the United States Constitution is the part of the Bill of Rights which guards against unreasonable searches and seizures, along with requiring any warrant to be judicially sanctioned and supported by probable cause. It was adopted as a response to the abuse of the writ of assistance, which is a type of general search warrant, in the American Revolution. Search and seizure (including arrest) should be limited in scope according to specific information supplied to the issuing court, usually by a law enforcement officer, who has sworn by it. The Fourth Amendment applies to the states by way of the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_...s_Constitution

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.[1]

Thanks for your service.

I never said anything about cops 'suck' at their jobs. I said that that the gov't/cops cannot protect Americans. I stand by that statement. Again, it is not in the constitution to have police protection. Thus the right to bear arms.

Marines don't win wars. We win battles. The Army wins wars. And they do a great job at it.

All Americans, rich or poor deserve the same rights. Rich people should not have more privilege than others. This is a republic not an oligarchy.

Have you ever been to Texas? Mississippi? Tennessee? Arkansas? There are more whites in jails there in many locations. The fact is that the poor are targeted throughout this nation`by politicos.

This is just the new version of Jim Crow. Class has been added.

Why aren't the cops all over Wall St due to the fact they they committed crimes that wrecked an economy?

The Constitution/BoR is not about my taste. It is about the rights of EVERY American, rich or poor. Equal justice under the law in this republic.

Yes. Poor people do commit more violent crimes than rich people, but the affluent get away with more criminal activity like those on Wall St. Furthermore, they do not get harassed by the police for their crimes.

Not everyone poor or AA or Latino is a criminal, yet we are stopped at an alarming rate like we ALL are criminals. That is crossing the line. That is the violation of the 4th Amendment. We are ALL Americans. We are not all criminals.

[Winstonbiggs]

Originally Posted by Jetdawgg

Who made this claim?

Who do you think stop and frisk is targeting. It's working kids aren't carrying guns on the street in NY and gun homicides are the lowest ever.

You want more gun homicides to prove the police can't protect you on the street. In NYC the police are protecting all of us on the street.

You tot your horn as someone who fought for the country to protect our rights. WTF do you think most NYC cops do every single day?

[Jetdawgg]

Originally Posted by Guy Incognito

No you didn't, you just saw a picture that is circulating online with that line tagged to it and added 'Stop and Frisk' to it.

Whoever originally wrote that is a schmuck btw. They should be ashamed of themselves.

Who made you God or something? I know what I see just like you do

http://www.free-tv-video-online.me/s...?q=schi&md=all

I saw the movie, not some picture with a line tagged to it

[Jetdawgg]

Originally Posted by Winstonbiggs

Who do you think stop and frisk is targeting. It's working kids aren't carrying guns on the street in NY and gun homicides are the lowest ever.

You want more gun homicides to prove the police can't protect you on the street. In NYC the police are protecting all of us on the street.

You tot your horn as someone who fought for the country to protect our rights. WTF do you think most NYC cops do every single day?

If you find it ok to give up your Constitutional Rights that is ok by me. I don't find it ok. Furthermore, the Police/Politcos do not have the right to violate them either.

That is why we have courts. This is a republic and no one is above the law. Not even those that profess to make laws.

Again, they are not grabbing young, innocents from your neighborhood. You cannot make blanket coverage to violate everyone else's rights and call it 'protection'. Call it what it is; unconstitutional just like the Judge did

Finally, fought or not, my life was put on the line when I signed on that contract and I am here to talk the truth. These attempts to make it smear my record as a US Marine Corps Sergeant are meaningless. There are many Marines who do not see combat even when a war is on going as I have proved that.
Also, there is a major difference in being a NYC Cop and a US Marine. Ask anyone

[stanner]

Originally Posted by Jetdawgg

Who made you God or something? I know what I see just like you do

http://www.free-tv-video-online.me/s...?q=schi&md=all

I saw the movie, not some picture with a line tagged to it

Seems a little coincidental, no?

[Jetdawgg]

Well it is the first time I have seen this image.

More reason that SaF is ending. Anyone who sacrifices Liberty for so called safety is not smart. They will end up losing both

[stanner]

Originally Posted by Jetdawgg

Well it is the first time I have seen this image.

More reason that SaF is ending. Anyone who sacrifices Liberty for so called safety is not smart. They will end up losing both

you shoulda just said you made the pic. whatever.

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2

[Jetdawgg]

Originally Posted by stanner

you shoulda just said you made the pic. whatever.

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2

I should have made it and the movie

[32green]

Originally Posted by Jetdawgg

I saw this movie on tv the other night. The only ones with guns were the Military and the Police. They also had 'Stop and Frisk'. The movie was 'Schindler's List'

Originally Posted by stanner

Seems a little coincidental, no?

And I waste time crafting answers to this nonsense.


Shame on me.

Next time...ban. Dump. BAN.


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[Bonhomme Richard]

Originally Posted by 32green

And I waste time crafting answers to this nonsense.


Shame on me.

Next time...ban. Dump. BAN.


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You have the patience of a saint with this guy.

[Guy Incognito]

Originally Posted by stanner

Seems a little coincidental, no?

Thanks for saving me the trouble Stanner.

Not meant to be offensive JetDawgg, but it did seem a little too coincidental to me..... kinda hard to believe you came up with that one.
That's all.

[Winstonbiggs]

Originally Posted by Jetdawgg

If you find it ok to give up your Constitutional Rights that is ok by me. I don't find it ok. Furthermore, the Police/Politcos do not have the right to violate them either.

That is why we have courts. This is a republic and no one is above the law. Not even those that profess to make laws.

Again, they are not grabbing young, innocents from your neighborhood. You cannot make blanket coverage to violate everyone else's rights and call it 'protection'. Call it what it is; unconstitutional just like the Judge did

Finally, fought or not, my life was put on the line when I signed on that contract and I am here to talk the truth. These attempts to make it smear my record as a US Marine Corps Sergeant are meaningless. There are many Marines who do not see combat even when a war is on going as I have proved that.
Also, there is a major difference in being a NYC Cop and a US Marine. Ask anyone

I have a right to walk down the streets of NY without having to worry if a crazy ex-marine who never shot at anything more then a target might well be armed and looking to "protect" his rights. I have the same right to walk those streets without young men walking around with illegal guns.

Stop and frisk is working. These young men know they can't take their guns out on the street. The streets are safer.

And you bet there is a major difference between a NYC cop and a marine who didn't serve in combat. One can make the claim they served their country and one is actually at risk on their job every single day. Nobody is smearing your record but you have no problem smearing the record of police officers who are in harms way ever single day.

[palmetto defender]

Originally Posted by Jetdawgg

One does not have to be a scholar to realize that person who risks their life on something has more skin in the game than a talker.

I respect ALL Americans equally. Regardless of class or race. They are Americans. It was not intended for you to think that you personally are a Big gov't type. It was a sentence directed at the overall mindset of NY'ers.

Sometimes things cannot present itself well on this medium.

SaF is a clear violation of the 4th Amendment:
The Fourth Amendment (Amendment IV) to the United States Constitution is the part of the Bill of Rights which guards against unreasonable searches and seizures, along with requiring any warrant to be judicially sanctioned and supported by probable cause. It was adopted as a response to the abuse of the writ of assistance, which is a type of general search warrant, in the American Revolution. Search and seizure (including arrest) should be limited in scope according to specific information supplied to the issuing court, usually by a law enforcement officer, who has sworn by it. The Fourth Amendment applies to the states by way of the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_...s_Constitution



Thanks for your service.

I never said anything about cops 'suck' at their jobs. I said that that the gov't/cops cannot protect Americans. I stand by that statement. Again, it is not in the constitution to have police protection. Thus the right to bear arms.

Marines don't win wars. We win battles. The Army wins wars. And they do a great job at it.

All Americans, rich or poor deserve the same rights. Rich people should not have more privilege than others. This is a republic not an oligarchy.

Have you ever been to Texas? Mississippi? Tennessee? Arkansas? There are more whites in jails there in many locations. The fact is that the poor are targeted throughout this nation`by politicos.

This is just the new version of Jim Crow. Class has been added.

Why aren't the cops all over Wall St due to the fact they they committed crimes that wrecked an economy?

The Constitution/BoR is not about my taste. It is about the rights of EVERY American, rich or poor. Equal justice under the law in this republic.

Yes. Poor people do commit more violent crimes than rich people, but the affluent get away with more criminal activity like those on Wall St. Furthermore, they do not get harassed by the police for their crimes.

Not everyone poor or AA or Latino is a criminal, yet we are stopped at an alarming rate like we ALL are criminals. That is crossing the line. That is the violation of the 4th Amendment. We are ALL Americans. We are not all criminals.

The poor commit more crimes than the well to do. They commit more violent crimes and they commit more non violent crimes.
Do they commit more "sophisticated" crimes? Maybe those too.
The police place emphasis where crime is most likely. If it's in a poor area - tough. That's smart and good police work. Violation of the 4th Amendment? No.
BTW, enough of the "I took an oath" stuff. Many of us have. Are you suddenly the enforcer of the Constitution?
And your service at Gitmo (I believe that's correct) is nice but did you ever actually fight or have "skin in the game"? Not at Gitmo.
Police have it on the line every day. Even in the suburbs (nasty domestic disputes). They cannot prevent all crime. Some yes and apprehend the criminal to help prevent a recurrance.