To everyone saying that the Jets were 2nd in Pass Defense without Revis last year....

[iahawkeyejet]

I brought this point up as well earlier in the week. The Jets played 11 games this year against teams in the bottom 1/3 of passing offenses. 12 if you include the Rams, which were just outside the bottom 1/3.

Against the 4 Teams that had a passing pulse(NE, Pitt and Houston) the Jets allowed 266 yards a game and gave up 8 passing TD's with only 1 pick.

It's nice to use that argument that the pass defense was just as good without him, but it's simply not true.

[blue eyed devil]

Originally Posted by PatsFanTX

Why are you so sure Landry will be back?

This is his last chance at a huge payday in his NFL career.

Some team out there will offer him a lot more money then the Jets can afford based on his play last year.

Landry is a gonner.

as well he should be.yes,he played great.but his biggest asset is what the nfl is trying to do away with.how many 15 yarders were thrown at the ravens safties in the championship game? i counted at least 3. you dont pay a huge contract for a position that is being outlawed.same reason you dont throw huge money at rb's. its a passing league now.pay revis top dollar(not a penny more),keep cromartie,and draft a cover safety.

[Green Bandit]

Originally Posted by intelligentjetsfan

The Jets are going to be bad next season with or without Revis. Should we celebrate because we will be a more competitive bad team with Revis in 2013? No thank you.

He will be a 30 year old CB with a cap busting contract by the time the Jets become good again.

That's not a good viewpoint at all.

In your logic then, the Cardinals should trade Fitzgerald so they can get a QB. Or the Lions should trade Megatron to shore up their defensive woes.

Point blank, you pay your playmakers.

[King P]

Originally Posted by Green Bandit

That's not a good viewpoint at all.

In your logic then, the Cardinals should trade Fitzgerald so they can get a QB. Or the Lions should trade Megatron to shore up their defensive woes.

Point blank, you pay your playmakers.

Well these guys will tell you that its not the same because its an offensive player and to these guys, offense is everything and defense doesnt matter anymore.

[PatsFanTX]

Originally Posted by Green Bandit

That's not a good viewpoint at all.



Point blank, you pay your playmakers.

Revis is not a playmaker.

He takes one guy out of the game.

[Jetdawgg]

Originally Posted by intelligentjetsfan

Since Gary Myers considers himself to be smart enough to succeed as a GM someone should ask him if he would still do the following;

1. Draft Matt Leinart ahead of D'Brickashaw Ferguson.
going into that draft he ripped the Jets as an inept, same old Jets franchise for passing over a franchise QB like Matt Leinart for Ferguson.

2. Not make the Curtis Martin trade with the Patriots.
Said Martin was not special enough to warrant what the Jets gave up in a trade. On a completely unrelated note, that Hall of Fame blazer looked good on Martin.

3. Still fire Tom Coughlin.
He screamed that Tom Coughlin lost the team and would not succeed long term with the Giants, then he went on to win two Super Bowls. Myers is consistent though; he went on a campaign to fire Coughlin AFTER he won a Super Bowl as well.

To recap; If myers were responsible for running the new york football teams over the past two decades its quite possible that the Giants would not have won two super bowls. And the Jets would not have had that special 1998 run or had the services of a hall of fame player. The Jets would also be responsible for drafting one of the biggest busts in recent draft history.

Keep up the good work, Gary Myers; accountability is overrated.....

...and pull his wig off too

[detjetsfan]

Originally Posted by Green Bandit

.... You do realize we had a 3 game stint against Lindley, Henne, and Locker right?

P.S We're probably losing Landry and maybe Bell, so trading Revis makes no sense.

+1

Thank you. This is the best thread I've read on JI in a while.


Jets Secondary - Landry - Revis = UGLY

[detjetsfan]

Originally Posted by PatsFanTX

Revis is not a playmaker.

He takes one guy out of the game.

That Namath guy was way overrated to. Won just 1 Super Bowl.

[detjetsfan]

Originally Posted by King P

Well these guys will tell you that its not the same because its an offensive player and to these guys, offense is everything and defense doesnt matter anymore.

We should draft an offensive player in rd 1:

[Green Bandit]

Originally Posted by PatsFanTX

Revis is not a playmaker.

He takes one guy out of the game.

He takes half a field away, and forces teams to throw to lesser receivers.

You are aware Revis is the reason the Pats drafted two tight ends in one draft, right?

[TheMikeIsHot]

Originally Posted by PatsFanTX

Revis is not a playmaker.

He takes one guy out of the game.

He's petty good with the ball in his hands when he makes an INT.

[revischrist]

Originally Posted by Green Bandit

.... You do realize we had a 3 game stint against Lindley, Henne, and Locker right?

Now I know we played who we were up against, but lets be real. Against the Pats, San Fran, Seattle(aka any team above .500), the secondary didn't look all that good.

I'm just saying for anyone for the Revis trade who says "Well we had the 2nd best pass defense last year"! I highly encourage them to take a look at who we played and you will notice the difference in the secondary between below .500 teams and above .500 teams.

P.S We're probably losing Landry and maybe Bell, so trading Revis makes no sense.


P.P.S Were also playing the NFC North next year (Rodgers, Stafford, Cutler) (C. Johnson, B. Marshall). I can pretty much guarantee if we trade Revis, we will not even be in the top 15 in pass defense next year.

You think everyone's schedule is full of games vs the packers/saints/patriots/giants and other Pro Bowl QBs?

Imagine defenses that got to play the cardinals twice or Henne/Gabbert twice etc..

[SMC]

The Jets were 8-8 with Revis for the whole season and 6-10 without him, but with the worst starting QB in NFL. The fact that they were only 2 games worse is considerable.

[intelligentjetsfan]

Originally Posted by Green Bandit

That's not a good viewpoint at all.

In your logic then, the Cardinals should trade Fitzgerald so they can get a QB. Or the Lions should trade Megatron to shore up their defensive woes.

Point blank, you pay your playmakers.

Context is everything. If a team is about to enter into a period of rebuilding and the great player (who is not a franchise QB) will be 30 something when the team becomes a contender, then yes, you need to consider a trade.

And if that same player expects to sign a contract that makes him the highest paid defensive player in the HISTORY of the sport, and for the bulk of that contract he will be in his thirties, then yes I would trade him if it could land a franchise QB.

[Savage69]

Originally Posted by Green Bandit

He takes half a field away, and forces teams to throw to lesser receivers.

You are aware Revis is the reason the Pats drafted two tight ends in one draft, right?

Before Revis was in the 07 Draft BB had drafted 7 TE's since 2000 ..He drafted 2 in 06 alone before Revis was a thought in any draft.. BB does TE's like Rex does DB's..

[John_0515]

And the Jets also played Brady twice, Roethlisberger, Rivers, Luck (Colts had 7th ranked passing offense), and Schaub. They actually played well in most of those games.

They were ranked 2nd in pass defense. We can dissect the stats all we want, but the Jets defense is not the problem (without Revis). I want Revis too, but being ranked top 3 or top 10 in defense is not going to add to the win column with the offense that the Jets field on a weekly basis.

Most important statistic: Jets were 6-10 last season. Not good. Fix that statistic, and dissect that one. I would also submit that the offense was worse than the ranking it received as well if we're going to question rankings.

[Charlie Brown]

Originally Posted by Green Bandit

.... You do realize we had a 3 game stint against Lindley, Henne, and Locker right?

Now I know we played who we were up against, but lets be real. Against the Pats, San Fran, Seattle(aka any team above .500), the secondary didn't look all that good.

I'm just saying for anyone for the Revis trade who says "Well we had the 2nd best pass defense last year"! I highly encourage them to take a look at who we played and you will notice the difference in the secondary between below .500 teams and above .500 teams.

P.S We're probably losing Landry and maybe Bell, so trading Revis makes no sense.


P.P.S Were also playing the NFC North next year (Rodgers, Stafford, Cutler) (C. Johnson, B. Marshall). I can pretty much guarantee if we trade Revis, we will not even be in the top 15 in pass defense next year.

Thank you....

This was the very point that our departed ST coach was making about a week ago....

[sameoldjets]

the performance of the secondary is tied to the performance of the dline so in a sense you are right. the dline was pretty good for the most part but also was overmatched against sf and the patsies. alo every team plays more than a few bad team so the jets rating is valid.

Originally Posted by Green Bandit

.... You do realize we had a 3 game stint against Lindley, Henne, and Locker right?

Now I know we played who we were up against, but lets be real. Against the Pats, San Fran, Seattle(aka any team above .500), the secondary didn't look all that good.

I'm just saying for anyone for the Revis trade who says "Well we had the 2nd best pass defense last year"! I highly encourage them to take a look at who we played and you will notice the difference in the secondary between below .500 teams and above .500 teams.

P.S We're probably losing Landry and maybe Bell, so trading Revis makes no sense.


P.P.S Were also playing the NFC North next year (Rodgers, Stafford, Cutler) (C. Johnson, B. Marshall). I can pretty much guarantee if we trade Revis, we will not even be in the top 15 in pass defense next year.

[PatsFanTX]

Originally Posted by Green Bandit

He takes half a field away, and forces teams to throw to lesser receivers.

Please explain to me how one CB can "take away half the field"?

[Green Bandit]

Originally Posted by PatsFanTX

Please explain to me how one CB can "take away half the field"?

Remember when Moss was on the Patriots and he couldn't be stopped ? Yeah, Revis did. I don't think Moss, A. Johnson, C. Johnson, etc line up in the slot. So yeah, I would say half the field is a good thing to say ; )