Star

Untouchable · 03-12-2013, 02:28 PM

Pouha is out the door and Devito is reportedly receiving a lot of interest. There's a very real possibility that we lose both and arguably our biggest strength (DL) takes a pretty big hit.

Before the heart condition stuff arised, many considered Star hands down the best defensive player in the draft. Hell, the best player in the draft, period.

Now there is the very real possibility that he's there at #9.

Could be a perfect scenario of BAP matching need.

MarkyMarkSanchez · 03-12-2013, 05:03 PM

He scares me.

Maury77 · 03-12-2013, 05:09 PM

How much more is improving the NT position going to help this team? What is our cap going to look like when Wilkerson, Coples and Star reach their 2nd contracts?

24 · 03-12-2013, 05:23 PM

A outside linebacker passrusher and Guard is still priority. I wouldn't like it if they did.

Untouchable · 03-12-2013, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkyMarkSanchez

He scares me.

I'm scared of pretty much everyone in this draft not named Warmack, Cooper or Eifert.

Dreamers · 03-12-2013, 07:01 PM

I'd pass but I'd also get the value in it.

John_0515 · 03-12-2013, 07:03 PM

Both of those guys didn't contribute significantly last season.

Our DL will be fine.

Draft a pass rushing OLB, Warmack, or trade out.

detjetsfan · 03-13-2013, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 24

A outside linebacker passrusher and Guard is still priority. I wouldn't like it if they did.

You do realize we don't have a viable starting NT on our roster now?

detjetsfan · 03-13-2013, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Maury77

How much more is improving the NT position going to help this team? What is our cap going to look like when Wilkerson, Coples and Star reach their 2nd contracts?

Without a legit NT the 3-4 defense does not work. See D-Rob and our defense last season everyone ran on us because Pouha and Ellis both sucked.

patman · 03-14-2013, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by John_0515

Both of those guys didn't contribute significantly last season.

Our DL will be fine.

Draft a pass rushing OLB, Warmack, or trade out.

Why do you feel DeVito did not contribute? I thought his play was solid, even when forced to play the nose

Maury77 · 03-14-2013, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by detjetsfan

Without a legit NT the 3-4 defense does not work. See D-Rob and our defense last season everyone ran on us because Pouha and Ellis both sucked.

I disagree with you about Ellis, when we was not hurt, he showed some flashes. It takes nose tackles a couple of seasons to round into form. Don't forget that we drafted Sione Pouha and he did not give the team much until Jenkins went down with an injury in 2009. I believe that was Pouha's 4th season.

augustiniak · 03-14-2013, 09:26 AM

the way FA is going, vacarro is looking like he may very well be the pick. he'd anchor the new secondary.

Cleansweep2013 · 03-14-2013, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by augustiniak

the way FA is going, vacarro is looking like he may very well be the pick. he'd anchor the new secondary.

Draft is deep with safeties we can wait..

Astoria · 03-14-2013, 11:14 AM

Just a question. If his name wasn't so cool would he still be a top ten pick?

John Smith, dlineman with a heart problem from a non powerhouse school.

Screams mid late first round to me. Not that he's not a good player, but I think his name props his value (call it the Alualu effect...same position).

augustiniak · 03-14-2013, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Cleansweep2013

Draft is deep with safeties we can wait..

the jets have so many holes, they really do need to take BAP. if it's vacarro, well, ok. they filled a need with a very good player. he'll make the entire defense better. in the second round, instead of taking a safety, they'll take another position. they need everything. the key is taking good players.

24 · 03-14-2013, 12:46 PM

NFL scouts are considering him a 34 end, not nose tackle despite his size... We already drafted that position the last 2 years.

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Jet Life · 03-14-2013, 01:44 PM

So many bigger needs than DL. This team is a mess. I'd launch myself thru a window if we took another DL in round 1.

Dreamers · 03-14-2013, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 24

NFL scouts are considering him a 34 end, not nose tackle despite his size... We already drafted that position the last 2 years.

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Star wouldn't be a good NT. If you took him it would be to play DE. Floyd would be a better NT option. If we went 4-3 I could very well see us taking either of those guys. No Pouha and no Devito we would need anther DT. Ellis wouldn't be a full time 4-3 guy.

detjetsfan · 03-14-2013, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Maury77

I disagree with you about Ellis, when we was not hurt, he showed some flashes. It takes nose tackles a couple of seasons to round into form. Don't forget that we drafted Sione Pouha and he did not give the team much until Jenkins went down with an injury in 2009. I believe that was Pouha's 4th season.

Our run defense was awful last year and while most of the blame goes to Harris, Scott and Pace (rightfully so) alot has to go to Pouha who has jumped the shark and Kenrick Ellis. Ellis is a decent backup he is not a viable starting Nose.

Only reason it took Pouha 4 years to round into form was he was coached by idiots like Herm, Mangini and Sutton who didn't have a clue about how to motivate players.

detjetsfan · 03-14-2013, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 24

NFL scouts are considering him a 34 end, not nose tackle despite his size... We already drafted that position the last 2 years.

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Star can play both DE and NT. He has prototypical size for Nose and is fast enough to play DE in a 3-4. Why is this such a hard concept?

03-12-2013, 02:28 PM	#1
Untouchable Hall Of Fame Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 22,404	Star Pouha is out the door and Devito is reportedly receiving a lot of interest. There's a very real possibility that we lose both and arguably our biggest strength (DL) takes a pretty big hit. Before the heart condition stuff arised, many considered Star hands down the best defensive player in the draft. Hell, the best player in the draft, period. Now there is the very real possibility that he's there at #9. Could be a perfect scenario of BAP matching need.

03-12-2013, 05:03 PM	#2
MarkyMarkSanchez cant wait Rookie Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 655	He scares me.

03-12-2013, 05:09 PM	#3
Maury77 Veteran Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,087	How much more is improving the NT position going to help this team? What is our cap going to look like when Wilkerson, Coples and Star reach their 2nd contracts?

03-12-2013, 05:23 PM	#4
24 All Pro Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 8,884	A outside linebacker passrusher and Guard is still priority. I wouldn't like it if they did.

03-12-2013, 07:01 PM	#6
Dreamers The angry poster All League Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 4,396	I'd pass but I'd also get the value in it.

03-12-2013, 07:03 PM	#7
John_0515 Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 21,130	Both of those guys didn't contribute significantly last season. Our DL will be fine. Draft a pass rushing OLB, Warmack, or trade out.

03-14-2013, 09:26 AM	#12
augustiniak All Pro Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 8,121	the way FA is going, vacarro is looking like he may very well be the pick. he'd anchor the new secondary.

03-14-2013, 11:14 AM	#14
Astoria Bababa basketball, gimme gimme gimme the ball because I'm gonna dunk it Veteran Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,750	Just a question. If his name wasn't so cool would he still be a top ten pick? John Smith, dlineman with a heart problem from a non powerhouse school. Screams mid late first round to me. Not that he's not a good player, but I think his name props his value (call it the Alualu effect...same position).

03-14-2013, 12:46 PM	#16
24 All Pro Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 8,884	NFL scouts are considering him a 34 end, not nose tackle despite his size... We already drafted that position the last 2 years. Sent from my LG-P769 using Tapatalk 2

03-14-2013, 01:44 PM	#17
Jet Life Veteran Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: CT Posts: 1,824	So many bigger needs than DL. This team is a mess. I'd launch myself thru a window if we took another DL in round 1.