There's A Trade Market

[Ray Ray19]

Originally Posted by mudcat21

Let's hope one of the QB needy teams have a GM as dumb as Raytard to make this happen.

Originally Posted by GuidoYaztremski

[56mehl56]

Originally Posted by patman

No, he was much better than Sanchez. And at this point in time Sanchez is utter garbage. Eason was never the worse qb in the league. and he threw 61 td and 51 int.

in the 70 games he played for the pats he passed the ball 1500 times with 900 completions a 58% . 60TD and 48 int and 22 fumbles.

In 62 games Sanchez threw the ball 1800 times with 1028 rec. 55% he threw 68 tds and 69 int and 43 fumbles.

So in 8 less games Sanchez threw 8 more TDs, 21 more int, and fumbled the ball 21 more times.

if you go by his 1st 4 years he threw 1273 times with 749 completions a 59% completion percentage with 54 TDs and 39 int and 20 fumbles

So how do you compare him to sanchez?

I hope you don't even want to compare how easy it is to pass now than what is was 25-30 years ago. and with having lance Mehl as a handle, I would think that you would know better than to compare the two since he beat the jets in the playoffs.

You can't ignore the similiarities though. Other than the turnovers the stats aren't that far apart

Both were 1st round draft picks , both had relatively early success in they're careers, both won some postseason games ( Eason 3 , Sanchez - 4) but both never won the big game. And Eason absolutely bombed on the biggest stage. Here's a quote from ESPN on his SB performance -
" In 2008, ESPN ranked Eason's performance as the worst (82nd out of 82) in the history of the Super Bowl, noting, "In addition to his awful passing stats, he lost a fumble and not surprisingly was yanked in the second quarter" . Just imagine if Sanchez ever did that in a SB game.

In addition those Pats teams had some decent offensive firepower ( Craig James, Irving Fryar, Tony Collins, Stanley Morgan) and pretty good D's led by Andre Tippett. They would certainly put to shame the junk the Jets rolled out on O this year. Plus I don't think you even want to compare the offensive factor of head coaches ( Raymond Berry vs Rex Ryan).

And yes, I'm well aware the Pats beat the Jets which was the first playoff game ever at the Meadowlands - I was there. The game changed on two big plays an O'brien int late in the first half and a Jonny Hector fumble on a KR that was returned for a TD.

But , we also have to remember that Sanchez beat the Pats in his only postseason appearance against them.

All in all , not too much separation between the two.

[Ray Ray19]

Originally Posted by Raider9175

Ray Ray you don't have a clue what your talking about. re Read this about 100 times and it might sink in. D Revis has in his contract that the Jets can't use the franchise tag on him making him an unrestricted Fa in 2014. Correct or you don't believe that the case.

Next Just say the Jets could get six round first rounders for D Revis(exaggeration) in a trade. Tell me that team can't come to terms on a contract extension( because Revis wants to test Fa in 2014) what happening with that trade. It's off. Do you agree or can the Jets force him to sign an extension.

Now last point Jets could offer him a boat load of money to stay with the Jets . again he wants to see what he can get in Fa(a lot of teams competing for his service). He doesn't have to sign that contract.

Now what options are left for the Jets. waiting for 2014 in free agency to see if they are going to be th highest bidders. They aren't and he gone.. you get nada. My statement was 100% accurate. There is no trade market for D Revis ,if Revis doesn't want to play ball. Yes the Jets can trade Revis even if he won't sign a contract extension but your getting a fifth rounder at best. ( one year rental).

back to the topic. there is no trade market for M Sanchez like there was no trade market for Titus Young and Rolndo McClain . where the last two are more poor attitudes ,Mark Sanchez is just because he isn't that good. you think teams don't watch tapes on players . The tape doesn't lie about M Sanchez it there for every GM to see for themselves. Good luck dreaming that you can get a pick for M Sanchez . M Sanchez has a better chance working in Adult films than being an Nfl Qb.

MAYBE some team might bring him in for a look if Jets cut him, but no one trading a pick for that right.

Completely moronic

You're saying Revis doesn't have a market, he ALREADY does, it was already reported teams were calling the Jets during senior bowl week, how stupid can you be?

As for Revis' pending FA, if Jets don't extend, that will not impede the Jets from trading him, teams will try to trade for him instead of letting him hit the market because then it becomes the highest bidder between other teams. The jets would potentially give to the highest bidder and then that team would have to work out a contract for him.

As for Sanchez' potential FA market, you are trying to compare Sanchez with McClain and Titus Young, two players who have damaged their careers off the field and have become cancers? In the case of Young, a complete malcontent who quit on his own team for his own selfish reasons? You can't be serious?

Right, the tape doesn't lie, and neither does his reputation as a worker and a teammate. He may have had his struggles this year, mostly due to injuries and a supporting cast that was deficient all year due to extended injuries at multiple skill positions and then injuries to that depth all year, he lost his confidence, and he was in an offense that smothered the passing game, sure, but he also has 4 playoff wins, 2 AFCCG's where he performed WELL when on the biggest stage, that is also on tape. Has great character, has been inconsistent with leadership but mostly due to his own inconsistencies not because he can't be a leader in the locker room. He's had his ups and downs, he's still young and maturing player.

If the Jets are able to restructure his contract, he will generate a market, and we can revisit this thread.

I can't see any team trading for McClain, and Young has already been dumped from his second team.

[patman]

Originally Posted by 56mehl56

You can't ignore the similiarities though. Other than the turnovers the stats aren't that far apart

Both were 1st round draft picks , both had relatively early success in they're careers, both won some postseason games ( Eason 3 , Sanchez - 4) but both never won the big game. And Eason absolutely bombed on the biggest stage. Here's a quote from ESPN on his SB performance -
" In 2008, ESPN ranked Eason's performance as the worst (82nd out of 82) in the history of the Super Bowl, noting, "In addition to his awful passing stats, he lost a fumble and not surprisingly was yanked in the second quarter" . Just imagine if Sanchez ever did that in a SB game.

In addition those Pats teams had some decent offensive firepower ( Craig James, Irving Fryar, Tony Collins, Stanley Morgan) and pretty good D's led by Andre Tippett. They would certainly put to shame the junk the Jets rolled out on O this year. Plus I don't think you even want to compare the offensive factor of head coaches ( Raymond Berry vs Rex Ryan).

And yes, I'm well aware the Pats beat the Jets which was the first playoff game ever at the Meadowlands - I was there. The game changed on two big plays an O'brien int late in the first half and a Jonny Hector fumble on a KR that was returned for a TD.

But , we also have to remember that Sanchez beat the Pats in his only postseason appearance against them.

All in all , not too much separation between the two.

Other than the turnovers? That is like the old joke,"other than that how did you like the play Mrs. Lincoln" But then again your comparing different eras.
And again at no time was Eason ever considered anywhere close to the worse qb in the league. And this is from a Steve Grogan fan, not a Eason fan.

So the guy **** the bed in the SB against the best defensive team ever. Close your eyes and picture Sanchez looking in into Singletary's eyes.

A more appropriate comparison would be Plunkett, a guy the fans were behind at first and 4 years later were drumming him out of town.
first 4 years 60 tds, 60int, 50% completion rate.

[DaBallhawk]

According to Adam Schefter the best offer so far is a single shoe that the Browns are offering. The Jets are holding out for 2 shoes.

[Pats1960]

It usually takes the NFL a couple of years to catch up to QBs, and I think that is what happened to Sanchez. He looks dazed and confused out there now. He also looks a little smallish. How tall is he supposed to be, 6'2"? I don't see how the Jets could get very much for him.

[patman]

Originally Posted by Ray Ray19

Completely moronic

You're saying Revis doesn't have a market, he ALREADY does, it was already reported teams were calling the Jets during senior bowl week, how stupid can you be?

As for Revis' pending FA, if Jets don't extend, that will not impede the Jets from trading him, teams will try to trade for him instead of letting him hit the market because then it becomes the highest bidder between other teams. The jets would potentially give to the highest bidder and then that team would have to work out a contract for him.

As for Sanchez' potential FA market, you are trying to compare Sanchez with McClain and Titus Young, two players who have damaged their careers off the field and have become cancers? In the case of Young, a complete malcontent who quit on his own team for his own selfish reasons? You can't be serious?

Right, the tape doesn't lie, and neither does his reputation as a worker and a teammate. He may have had his struggles this year, mostly due to injuries and a supporting cast that was deficient all year due to extended injuries at multiple skill positions and then injuries to that depth all year, he lost his confidence, and he was in an offense that smothered the passing game, sure, but he also has 4 playoff wins, 2 AFCCG's where he performed WELL when on the biggest stage, that is also on tape. Has great character, has been inconsistent with leadership but mostly due to his own inconsistencies not because he can't be a leader in the locker room. He's had his ups and downs, he's still young and maturing player.

If the Jets are able to restructure his contract, he will generate a market, and we can revisit this thread.

I can't see any team trading for McClain, and Young has already been dumped from his second team.

When Woody said what ever he did say about Revis's availability I am sure ten teams called to confirm and gauge what compensation would be required. That in itself does not mean there is a market for him. If the jets said the price is 2#1 at around the value of the 10th pick- there goes the market. Raider saying there is no market for him is wrong, a team will give a 3rd for him right now and hope that he will be healed and does not care if he is resigned or not. The pats rented Talib for the last 6 games for a forth, I am sure that there would be plenty of teams that would trade a 3rd.

Ray, the market for Revis is more determined by Revis and not the jets. What that means is that his health and contract demands determines the compensation and not what the jets want. If he says that he needs 6 years 75 to forgo Free agency even before he steps on the field, whatever market there is is going to dry up. If he says he will take a team option 5 years and 55 mill extension to his existing contract compensation including a #1 pick will be back in play.

If he says that he needs 6 years and 75 mill at the time of the trade, the market will be zilch. But I have little doubt that some team will offer him that after he has proven he is healthy, and I am sure that he feels the same way.


But Sanchez is not worth Crap at anything over 2 mil, Campbell signed a 1 year deal at less than 1,5m last year coming off a much better year. What kind of PR disaster would be a team spending 3.5 mill of thier cap room for a guy who over the last two years was one of the worse qb in the NFL. How would you feel if the jets paid Cassel or Vince Young that.

[GuidoYaztremski]

Originally Posted by Ray Ray19

Completely moronic

You're saying Revis doesn't have a market, he ALREADY does, it was already reported teams were calling the Jets during senior bowl week, how stupid can you be?

As for Revis' pending FA, if Jets don't extend, that will not impede the Jets from trading him, teams will try to trade for him instead of letting him hit the market because then it becomes the highest bidder between other teams. The jets would potentially give to the highest bidder and then that team would have to work out a contract for him.

As for Sanchez' potential FA market, you are trying to compare Sanchez with McClain and Titus Young, two players who have damaged their careers off the field and have become cancers? In the case of Young, a complete malcontent who quit on his own team for his own selfish reasons? You can't be serious?

Right, the tape doesn't lie, and neither does his reputation as a worker and a teammate. He may have had his struggles this year, mostly due to injuries and a supporting cast that was deficient all year due to extended injuries at multiple skill positions and then injuries to that depth all year, he lost his confidence, and he was in an offense that smothered the passing game, sure, but he also has 4 playoff wins, 2 AFCCG's where he performed WELL when on the biggest stage, that is also on tape. Has great character, has been inconsistent with leadership but mostly due to his own inconsistencies not because he can't be a leader in the locker room. He's had his ups and downs, he's still young and maturing player.

If the Jets are able to restructure his contract, he will generate a market, and we can revisit this thread.

I can't see any team trading for McClain, and Young has already been dumped from his second team.

What do you think a one year rental of Revis is worth to a team in trade? Anyone with half a brain realizes that Revis will wait for the auction of his services once he hits FA. A team would have to set the market to stop him from becoming one.

And are you kidding with the Sanchez crap? You blame everything from injured starters, injured backups, a bad offensive scheme, and during the season you b!tch about the officials and even the media. Sanchez is the only QB in history to have to deal with injuries to key players and backups. But as you say, he's young and maturing. Give him another 3-4 years and who knows, he could be the next Eli.

Keep deluding yourself that there is a great trade market out there for the worst QB in the league, "if only the Jets choose to do a deal", and that Sanchez will somehow be willing to give up over $8 million guaranteed this year. Christ, you are too funny.

[56mehl56]

Originally Posted by patman

Other than the turnovers? That is like the old joke,"other than that how did you like the play Mrs. Lincoln" But then again your comparing different eras.
And again at no time was Eason ever considered anywhere close to the worse qb in the league. And this is from a Steve Grogan fan, not a Eason fan.

So the guy **** the bed in the SB against the best defensive team ever. Close your eyes and picture Sanchez looking in into Singletary's eyes.

A more appropriate comparison would be Plunkett, a guy the fans were behind at first and 4 years later were drumming him out of town.
first 4 years 60 tds, 60int, 50% completion rate.

So its ok to make excuses for other players , just not Sanchez. If Sanchez went 0-8 and fumbled in a SB game , he would need a national guard escort to leave the building. And the haters would be saying I don't care if it was the Bears D , he just sucks, just like his performances this year against some quality D's ( SF, SEA, HOU, PIT).

[56mehl56]

Originally Posted by Pats1960

It usually takes the NFL a couple of years to catch up to QBs, and I think that is what happened to Sanchez. He looks dazed and confused out there now. He also looks a little smallish. How tall is he supposed to be, 6'2"? I don't see how the Jets could get very much for him.

Yes, when there's a scheme involved. With the Rex G&P there is no scheme, there's nothing to catch up to. On first down run for 2 , 2nd run for 1, 3rd and long send your wr's 3 yards downfield and hope for the best. If you happen by the stroke of god to take a lead, run , run. run , punt , our D will preserve the win.

There's nothing to game plan against with this Jets O , at least with Shotty they tried to confuse the Jets and run D , with all the wasted motion.

[Savage69]

Originally Posted by Pats1960

It usually takes the NFL a couple of years to catch up to QBs, and I think that is what happened to Sanchez. He looks dazed and confused out there now. He also looks a little smallish. How tall is he supposed to be, 6'2"? I don't see how the Jets could get very much for him.

And how tall is Wilson or Bree's?? JaMarcus Russell was 6'6 265 did he look biggish on the field?? If you suck height has nothing to do with it..

[Ray Ray19]

Originally Posted by patman

When Woody said what ever he did say about Revis's availability I am sure ten teams called to confirm and gauge what compensation would be required. That in itself does not mean there is a market for him. If the jets said the price is 2#1 at around the value of the 10th pick- there goes the market. Raider saying there is no market for him is wrong, a team will give a 3rd for him right now and hope that he will be healed and does not care if he is resigned or not. The pats rented Talib for the last 6 games for a forth, I am sure that there would be plenty of teams that would trade a 3rd.

Ray, the market for Revis is more determined by Revis and not the jets. What that means is that his health and contract demands determines the compensation and not what the jets want. If he says that he needs 6 years 75 to forgo Free agency even before he steps on the field, whatever market there is is going to dry up. If he says he will take a team option 5 years and 55 mill extension to his existing contract compensation including a #1 pick will be back in play.

If he says that he needs 6 years and 75 mill at the time of the trade, the market will be zilch. But I have little doubt that some team will offer him that after he has proven he is healthy, and I am sure that he feels the same way.


But Sanchez is not worth Crap at anything over 2 mil, Campbell signed a 1 year deal at less than 1,5m last year coming off a much better year. What kind of PR disaster would be a team spending 3.5 mill of thier cap room for a guy who over the last two years was one of the worse qb in the NFL. How would you feel if the jets paid Cassel or Vince Young that.

Well no ****, that was the point of my rebuttal, to say that there is no market for Revis is stupid, so you wasted all that time to put your own spin on the same point I was trying to make?

As for Sanchez, my only point on the player is that there WILL be A market if the Jets make him available and Sanchez agrees to restructure his contract. It's not going to be a large market, I'm not suggesting the Jets are going to get anything of major value for him, but I do think there will be something for him, I speculated what a possible compensation package could be, but that obviously could be wrong, no problem there, but there will be a market and as we get closer to the draft, and even after the first round or two, Sanchez could be traded anytime between now and on draft day, and even possibly after the draft, it will all depend on various factors, the first, being Sanchez agreeing to making himself tradable.

But the Jets can play this out in a number of ways IF they wish to move on before next season, or if say a deal becomes possible for a player like Foles. Heck, the Jets could agree with the Eagles on the framework of a deal for Foles, but it would/could be contingent on a deal they can make for Sanchez.

[Ray Ray19]

Originally Posted by GuidoYaztremski

What do you think a one year rental of Revis is worth to a team in trade? Anyone with half a brain realizes that Revis will wait for the auction of his services once he hits FA. A team would have to set the market to stop him from becoming one.

And are you kidding with the Sanchez crap? You blame everything from injured starters, injured backups, a bad offensive scheme, and during the season you b!tch about the officials and even the media. Sanchez is the only QB in history to have to deal with injuries to key players and backups. But as you say, he's young and maturing. Give him another 3-4 years and who knows, he could be the next Eli.

Keep deluding yourself that there is a great trade market out there for the worst QB in the league, "if only the Jets choose to do a deal", and that Sanchez will somehow be willing to give up over $8 million guaranteed this year. Christ, you are too funny.

Any deal for Revis would be contingent on that team signing Revis to a long term deal. Where in any of my posts have I suggested otherwise you pathetic troll?

What "great trade market" have I suggested for Sanchez?

Give him another 3-4 years? I said that? When?

Why do you troll on a Jets message board, smothering any Jets fan that dares to post something positive about the team or in a light that helps the team?

Get a life

[GuidoYaztremski]

Originally Posted by Savage69

And how tall is Wilson or Bree's?? JaMarcus Russell was 6'6 265 did he look biggish on the field?? If you suck height has nothing to do with it..

Very true. But if you suck AND you're a shrimp, you have it even worse. You can't teach 'size".

[ARodFLKeysJetsFan]

Originally Posted by GuidoYaztremski

Very true. But if you suck AND you're a shrimp, you have it even worse. You can't teach 'size".

I'd roll the dice on Geno Smith if he is there when we pick at 9 or even Glennon for that matter.

I really don't want to sit through another season of Sanchez starting.....

[GuidoYaztremski]

Originally Posted by ARodFLKeysJetsFan

I'd roll the dice on Geno Smith if he is there when we pick at 9 or even Glennon for that matter.

I really don't want to sit through another season of Sanchez starting.....

I understand your thinking. Although listening to Raytard, all the team needs is to get healthy, and as he's still maturing he has a chance to turn things around. That, or just convince him to walk away from over $8 million dollars so they can trade him for Foles, or some other QB with potential upside.

[Monsterxman]

Originally Posted by ARodFLKeysJetsFan

I'd roll the dice on Geno Smith if he is there when we pick at 9 or even Glennon for that matter.

I really don't want to sit through another season of Sanchez starting.....

I agree... A lot of people seem to think the Jets can wait until next year to draft a qb... I don't see it.

The Jets need options and if you don't take chances via the draft, you'll never improve the QB position.

Given that the Jets roster has no QB to speak of, you need to draft one early this year... 1st 3 rounds...

If next year roles around and you happen to end up with a top pick, you CAN draft another Qb.... If you get real lucky you might end up with 2 solid QBs instead of none like right now.

And I like both Smith and Glennon as they each have high ceilings vs the other QBs in this class.

That's what you need to do vs. drafting a guy like Sanchez, who really didn't have a high ceiling but was thought to be a safe pick.

[Ray Ray19]

Originally Posted by GuidoYaztremski

I understand your thinking. Although listening to Raytard, all the team needs is to get healthy, and as he's still maturing he has a chance to turn things around. That, or just convince him to walk away from over $8 million dollars so they can trade him for Foles, or some other QB with potential upside.

Such a d-bag troll

[GuidoYaztremski]

All I did was repeat your own words, so who is the real dbag Rah?

[Ray Ray19]

Originally Posted by GuidoYaztremski

All I did was repeat your own words, so who is the real dbag Rah?

No, you didn't, you're a troll