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Old 03-02-2013, 08:00 PM   #1
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Your top 5 at every position?

Hey guys, just wanted to see some opinions and thoughts on who you guys believe are the top 5 prospects at every position, and whom you think at the end of the day will pan out to be the top 5 in this class.

For me -

QB:
1. Geno Smith
2. EJ Manuel
3. Matt Barkley
4. Tyler Bray
5. Matt Scott

RB:
1. Gio Bernard
2. Marcus Lattimore
3. Kenjon Barner
4. Montee Ball
5. Andre Ellington

WR:
1. Tavon Austin
2. Cordarelle Patterson
3. Keenan Allen
4. Quinton Patton
5. Marcus Wheaton

TE:
1. Zach Ertz
2. Tyler Eifert
3. Gavin Escobar
4. Travis Kelce
5. Jordan Reed

Didn't really watch much tape of tackles in this class to be honest. Not really a big need.

OG:
1. Chance Warmack
2. Jonathan Cooper
3. Barret Jones
4. Larry Worford
5. Kyle Long

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Didn't watch a lot of NG/DT tape either. Not a need, and the film is not as interesting to watch as others.

OLB:
1. Dion Jordan
2. Jarvis Jones (Injury Concerns really scare me, so I wouldn't draft him at 9)
3. Ezekial Ansah
4. Barkavious Mingo
5. Jamie Collins - Alex Okafor

ILB:
1. Arthur Brown
2. Alec Ogletree
3. Kevin Minter
4. Khaseem Greene
5. Manti Te'o

CB:
1. Dee Milliner
2. Desmond Trufant
3. Xavier Rhodes
4. Jonathan Banks
5. Leon McFadden

S: (Favorite to watch on tape along with HB.)
1. Kenny Vaccaro
2. Eric Reid
3. Tyrann Mathieu (Will be Safety at pro level IMO)
4. Jonathan Cyprien
5. Matt Elam
6. Bacarri Rambo

Anyone else/thoughts?

- Also the deepest classes in this draft are Safety and Running Back. Guard and Wide Receiver is heavy in rounds 2 and 3.

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Old 03-02-2013, 09:48 PM   #2
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This is a fun topic. I'll be back later to slap pin my list up.

In the meantime consider this; if we end up doing away with Pouha, and De Vito (as I suspect we will), then you've grossly misjudged our need on the Dline. Its great that we have two marquee names from previous drafts, but we're grossly understaffed.

...Shariff Floyd might be the lowest risk, biggest baller in the draft class. I kinda wish the Jets would go after him. It's a pipedream, I know.
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Old 03-02-2013, 10:30 PM   #3
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This is a fun topic. I'll be back later to slap pin my list up.

In the meantime consider this; if we end up doing away with Pouha, and De Vito (as I suspect we will), then you've grossly misjudged our need on the Dline. Its great that we have two marquee names from previous drafts, but we're grossly understaffed.

...Shariff Floyd might be the lowest risk, biggest baller in the draft class. I kinda wish the Jets would go after him. It's a pipedream, I know.
In all honesty, this is probably my favorite draft class of all time. Not a lot at the top, but it's a feast in rounds 2-4.

Floyd is great, although I don't believe he'll last until 9. I have confidence in Ellis, and Coples looked solid last year. We need speed at the LB position, and also a playmaker in the secondary (safety.)

I've been watching film 24/7, and my favorite players in this draft are Dion Jordan, Marcus Wheaton, Desmond Trufant, and Gio Bernard. Jonathan Cyprien is a favorite of mine as well, but reminds me of Landry. I feel like we need a true FS more than anything.

(Love the honey badger as well.)

We can definitely use a DT, but more in the rounds 3-5. Remember this: Coples and Wilkerson play inside a lot as well, when we run our 4-3 looks. Our future draft pick at OLB would slide to the line.

- I want to make this statement known. Marcus Wheaton will be a probowler in the next 3 years.
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Old 03-02-2013, 11:03 PM   #4
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I still dont buy into all the combine hype. Jarvis Jones, will and should still be the first. Olb pass rusher off the board. He won't be there at 9.

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Old 03-03-2013, 12:18 AM   #5
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I still dont buy into all the combine hype. Jarvis Jones, will and should still be the first. Olb pass rusher off the board. He won't be there at 9.

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That injury really scares me, plus he can't really live in the weight room, due to his injury. Bad combo.
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Old 03-03-2013, 08:28 AM   #6
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OP, you have to swap your 1 and 2 TE's. Tyler Eifert is much more well rounded. Zach Ertz can't block at all.

http://www.nj.com/times-sports/index..._draft_pr.html

Also, at WR Tavon Austin is a slot guy. Do we really want him over Keenan Allen?
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Old 03-03-2013, 09:47 AM   #7
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That injury really scares me, plus he can't really live in the weight room, due to his injury. Bad combo.
First of all, spinal stenosis is not an injury, but a condition. Secondly, for the life of me I can't see how you can complain about Jones' problem and not be absolutely terrified by Lattimore's knee destruction. Same for Ellison, even Bernard. These guys are all a risk. Lattimore will be lucky if he's drafted in the sixth or seventh round... he's a total risk.

Also, you should break out the OLB/DE categories by 3-4 and 4-3. Otherwise the rankings are apples and oranges.

I really trust Mayock's list. He's been pretty damn good year in and year out overall.
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Old 03-03-2013, 12:08 PM   #8
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I still dont buy into all the combine hype. Jarvis Jones, will and should still be the first. Olb pass rusher off the board. He won't be there at 9.

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Sure he will. Marcus McNeill slipped to the second round due to the same condition.
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Old 03-03-2013, 12:27 PM   #9
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First of all, spinal stenosis is not an injury, but a condition. Secondly, for the life of me I can't see how you can complain about Jones' problem and not be absolutely terrified by Lattimore's knee destruction. Same for Ellison, even Bernard. These guys are all a risk. Lattimore will be lucky if he's drafted in the sixth or seventh round... he's a total risk.

Also, you should break out the OLB/DE categories by 3-4 and 4-3. Otherwise the rankings are apples and oranges.

I really trust Mayock's list. He's been pretty damn good year in and year out overall.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/0ap10...2013-nfl-draft He does break it down.

4-3 Defensive End

1. Bjoern Werner, Florida State
2. Ezekiel Ansah, BYU
3. Damontre Moore, Texas A&M
4. Sam Montgomery, LSU
5. Tank Carradine, Florida State
3-4 Defensive End

1. Star Lotulelei, Utah
2. Margus Hunt, SMU
3. Datone Jones, UCLA
4. Jesse Williams, Alabama
5. William Gholston, Michigan State
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Defensive Tackle

1. Sharrif Floyd, Florida
2. Sheldon Richardson, Missouri
3. Sylvester Williams, North Carolina
4. Kawann Short, Purdue
5. Johnathan Hankins, Ohio State

Rise: Richardson (3), Williams (4), Short (5)
4-3 Outside Linebacker

1. Jarvis Jones, Georgia
2. Khaseem Greene, Rutgers
3. Arthur Brown, Kansas State
4. Sio Moore, Connecticut
5. Chase Thomas, Stanford

3-4 Outside Linebacker

1. Dion Jordan, Oregon
2. Jamie Collins, Southern Miss
3. Barkevious Mingo, LSU
4. Michael Buchanan, Illinois
5. Corey Lemonier, Auburn
Inside Linebacker

1. Alec Ogletree, Georgia
2. Manti Te'o, Notre Dame
3. Kevin Minter, LSU
4. Kevin Reddick, North Carolina
5. Kiko Alonso, Oregon
Cornerback

1. Dee Milliner, Alabama
2. Xavier Rhodes, Florida State
3. Desmond Trufant, Washington
4. Blidi Wreh-Wilson, Connecticut
5. B.W. Webb, William & Mary

New entry: Wreh-Wilson, Webb
Rise: Trufant (4), Patton (5)
Out: Johnthan Banks, Mississippi State (3); Jordan Poyer, Oregon State (5)
Safety

1. Kenny Vaccaro, Texas
2. Matt Elam, Florida
3. Jonathan Cyprien, Florida International
4. Eric Reid, LSU
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Quarterback

1. Geno Smith, West Virginia
2. Matt Barkley, USC
3. Mike Glennon, NC State
4. Ryan Nassib, Syracuse
5. Landry Jones, Oklahoma
Running Back

1. Eddie Lacy, Alabama
2. Montee Ball, Wisconsin
3. Andre Ellington, Clemson
4. Giovani Bernard, North Carolina
5. Marcus Lattimore, South Carolina
Wide Receiver

1. Cordarrelle Patterson, Tennessee
2. Keenan Allen, Cal
3. Tavon Austin, West Virginia
4. Quinton Patton, Louisiana Tech
5. DeAndre Hopkins, Clemson

New entry: Hopkins
Rise: Austin (4), Patton (5)
Out: Terrance Williams, Baylor (3)
Tight End

1. Tyler Eifert, Notre Dame
2. Zach Ertz, Stanford
3. Gavin Escobar, San Diego State
4. Travis Kelce, Cincinnati
5. Vance McDonald, Rice

New entry: McDonald
Out: Jordan Reed, Florida (5)
Center

1. Travis Frederick, Wisconsin
2. Brian Schwenke, Cal
3. Barrett Jones, Alabama
4. Khaled Holmes, USC
5. Braxston Cave, Notre Dame
Guard

1. Chance Warmack, Alabama
2. Jonathan Cooper, North Carolina
3. Larry Warford, Kentucky
4. Kyle Long, Oregon
5. Brian Winters, Kent State

Tackle

1. Luke Joeckel, Texas A&M
2. Eric Fisher, Central Michigan
3. Lane Johnson, Oklahoma
4. D.J. Fluker, Alabama
T-5. Menelik Watson, Florida State
T-5. Justin Pugh, Syracuse
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First of all, spinal stenosis is not an injury, but a condition. Secondly, for the life of me I can't see how you can complain about Jones' problem and not be absolutely terrified by Lattimore's knee destruction. Same for Ellison, even Bernard. These guys are all a risk. Lattimore will be lucky if he's drafted in the sixth or seventh round... he's a total risk.
Difference is, Bernard tore up his knee in 2010 and has rushed for 2500 yards and had 900 receiving yards since then.

But I agree, Lattimore's injury is a total wild card, kind of like Willis McGahee--who was going to be drafted in the top 3-5 picks that year--then dropped on many boards to round 3 or 4--or off of some boards--only to be taken by the Bills late first round. He sat out his entire rookie season--I can't take that gamble on him being a stud RB because he just as easily could never get it all the way back.

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Difference is, Bernard tore up his knee in 2010 and has rushed for 2500 yards and had 900 receiving yards since then.

But I agree, Lattimore's injury is a total wild card, kind of like Willis McGahee--who was going to be drafted in the top 3-5 picks that year--then dropped on many boards to round 3 or 4--or off of some boards--only to be taken by the Bills late first round. He sat out his entire rookie season--I can't take that gamble on him being a stud RB because he just as easily could never get it all the way back.

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Yes, I agree that this is a relative issue. Just that RB is such a bang-up position that previous injury to the knee is at least worth noting. Bernard is the safest of these three though. I personally like Gillislee in the 4th.
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http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/0ap10...2013-nfl-draft He does break it down.

4-3 Defensive End

1. Bjoern Werner, Florida State
2. Ezekiel Ansah, BYU
3. Damontre Moore, Texas A&M
4. Sam Montgomery, LSU
5. Tank Carradine, Florida State
3-4 Defensive End

1. Star Lotulelei, Utah
2. Margus Hunt, SMU
3. Datone Jones, UCLA
4. Jesse Williams, Alabama
5. William Gholston, Michigan State
Brandt: Pressure-packed pro days
Which prospects face the most pressure on their pro days? Gil Brandt picks a handful, including a high-profile QB. More ...
Defensive Tackle

1. Sharrif Floyd, Florida
2. Sheldon Richardson, Missouri
3. Sylvester Williams, North Carolina
4. Kawann Short, Purdue
5. Johnathan Hankins, Ohio State

Rise: Richardson (3), Williams (4), Short (5)
4-3 Outside Linebacker

1. Jarvis Jones, Georgia
2. Khaseem Greene, Rutgers
3. Arthur Brown, Kansas State
4. Sio Moore, Connecticut
5. Chase Thomas, Stanford

3-4 Outside Linebacker

1. Dion Jordan, Oregon
2. Jamie Collins, Southern Miss
3. Barkevious Mingo, LSU
4. Michael Buchanan, Illinois
5. Corey Lemonier, Auburn
Inside Linebacker

1. Alec Ogletree, Georgia
2. Manti Te'o, Notre Dame
3. Kevin Minter, LSU
4. Kevin Reddick, North Carolina
5. Kiko Alonso, Oregon
Cornerback

1. Dee Milliner, Alabama
2. Xavier Rhodes, Florida State
3. Desmond Trufant, Washington
4. Blidi Wreh-Wilson, Connecticut
5. B.W. Webb, William & Mary

New entry: Wreh-Wilson, Webb
Rise: Trufant (4), Patton (5)
Out: Johnthan Banks, Mississippi State (3); Jordan Poyer, Oregon State (5)
Safety

1. Kenny Vaccaro, Texas
2. Matt Elam, Florida
3. Jonathan Cyprien, Florida International
4. Eric Reid, LSU
I was talking about K-Ro's list...
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