All Things Revis Thread (FKA Revis to Tampa?) - Page 23

Cleansweep2013 · 03-16-2013, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Gangrene

Having the cap hit staggered between 2013 and 2014 seems like an okay solution to me. The Jets can't fill out their roster except with journeymen this year because they don't have the wiggle room to get quality starters, thank you Mike T. However if Revis is traded after June 1st 9 million gets moved to 2014, and suddenly there is money to sign a few quality second tier free agents. Apart from that Revis will likely be running by June first making teams more convinced that he is closer to a recovery.

"I don't want the cap hit in 2014, I want it over now" I hear you say ? Well next year with all that extra cap room with Sanchez off the books , it might make more fiscal sense to stagger the cap hit. The Jets are not going to the Super Bowl in 2014 either ( I am booking my hotel room for 2015) but it would make this year's team more watchable ...

I dont see any big FAs worth chasing now for 2013. Plus 13 will be much worse than 14 ever could be.. I know we will have extra cap space with sanchez gone, probably holmes.. dont want to waste 9 mil in empty cap in 14 when we actually have a chance to compete just so we can sign a few average joe's to win a extra game or 2 next yr. unless there long term guys..

pcola · 03-16-2013, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Cleansweep2013

I dont see any big FAs worth chasing now for 2013. Plus 13 will be much worse than 14 ever could be.. I know we will have extra cap space with sanchez gone, probably holmes.. dont want to waste 9 mil in empty cap in 14 when we actually have a chance to compete just so we can sign a few average joe's to win a extra game or 2 next yr. unless there long term guys..

Actually Sanchez, Holmes, and Harris will likely be cut due to balloons in their salaries for next season and big cap savings.

Not sure how all the restructures hurt 2014, but pushing any Revis hit into 2014 isn't going to save us enough $ for players that will make a difference in 2013. I would say eat all the punishment now so we can get rid of the burden as soon as possible.

C Mart · 03-16-2013, 04:10 PM

@ConorTOrr: Following up on our post yesterday, Revis has now earned an extra $1 million | http://t.co/VH1NG0LKWF

@AlbertBreer: The Jets paying Revis the bonus was fully expected. More of a checkpoint than a deadline. Not much urgency for Jets deal him now.

John_0515 · 03-16-2013, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by pcola

Actually Sanchez, Holmes, and Harris will likely be cut due to balloons in their salaries for next season and big cap savings.

Not sure how all the restructures hurt 2014, but pushing any Revis hit into 2014 isn't going to save us enough $ for players that will make a difference in 2013. I would say eat all the punishment now so we can get rid of the burden as soon as possible.

Harris had one down year.

I don't understand why all this "cut Harris" all over the website.

Who's going to replace him? Players who haven't proven zero yet? Who could possibly be worse? He's overpaid, but not a problem on the team. The Jets need him.

Cleansweep2013 · 03-16-2013, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by pcola

Actually Sanchez, Holmes, and Harris will likely be cut due to balloons in their salaries for next season and big cap savings.

Not sure how all the restructures hurt 2014, but pushing any Revis hit into 2014 isn't going to save us enough $ for players that will make a difference in 2013. I would say eat all the punishment now so we can get rid of the burden as soon as possible.

yep let 2013 take the bullet and then start over fresh in 14.. MT left this team a pile of SH!T..

Harris is 9 million against cap, not as bad as 13 next year. But we can release him without much hit I believe.. Can see him staying for less, hes not going to be worth 9 mil next year..

John_0515 · 03-16-2013, 04:50 PM

Cut everyone who makes a big salary.

That's what seems to be the theme lately.

Unless the Jets have a viable replacement, don't cut anyone until you think about it better.

Tinstar · 03-16-2013, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by John_0515

Harris had one down year.

I don't understand why all this "cut Harris" all over the website.

Who's going to replace him? Players who haven't proven zero yet? Who could possibly be worse? He's overpaid, but not a problem on the team. The Jets need him.

Harris has to know by now that if the Jets don't restructure his contract he's as good as gone after this yr.

John_0515 · 03-16-2013, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Tinstar

Harris has to know by now that if the Jets don't restructure his contract he's as good as gone after this yr.

That's not the same as just cutting him because he has a big salary.

I understand the Jets are rebuilding, but clearing everyone that has a big salary isn't black and white. The Jets need players. Harris is a good player. Bad year, yes, for him. He's a starter on 25 other teams, at least.

Jets don't have a million draft choices.

QB
OL
TE
WR
OLB
ILB (another one)
CB
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FS

The list goes on. Harris is a good starter. Just "cut him and clear cap space" isn't the answer. To sign who?

Tinstar · 03-16-2013, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by John_0515

Cut everyone who makes a big salary.

That's what seems to be the theme lately.

Unless the Jets have a viable replacement, don't cut anyone until you think about it better.

That's what happens when u give people contracts they can't possibly play up to.

ryan10 · 03-16-2013, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by John_0515

Harris had one down year.

I don't understand why all this "cut Harris" all over the website.

Who's going to replace him? Players who haven't proven zero yet? Who could possibly be worse? He's overpaid, but not a problem on the team. The Jets need him.

just focus on him during one game and you will understand the cries for cut!!!

Tinstar · 03-16-2013, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by John_0515

That's not the same as just cutting him because he has a big salary.

I understand the Jets are rebuilding, but clearing everyone that has a big salary isn't black and white. The Jets need players. Harris is a good player. Bad year, yes, for him. He's a starter on 25 other teams, at least.

Jets don't have a million draft choices.

QB
OL
TE
WR
OLB
ILB (another one)
CB
SS
FS

The list goes on. Harris is a good starter. Just "cut him and clear cap space" isn't the answer. To sign who?

That's why u don't draft certain positions in the 1st 2 rounds unless the player is Versatile. Harris is an inside Lber in a 34 scheme but can't play anywhere else. Why is he worth a contract that carries a cap hit of 10mil or more. On the Jets right now, the only player worth his 2nd contract drafted by the Jets is Nick Mangold.

SMC · 03-16-2013, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Monsterxman

But it might impact the timing of a trade...

probably won't happen until draft time or mid season if they pay it out, right or is that untrue too?

No, it wouldn't impact the timing of a trade. And, as noted above, the Jets paid the $1 mil. It was completely irrelevant to the situation. The Pueter guys didn't know what they were talking about.

John_0515 · 03-16-2013, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ryan10

just focus on him during one game and you will understand the cries for cut!!!

I don't think he's nearly as bad as people are making him out to be. He's actually a good LB. The entire team sucked last year.

He's not Ray Lewis, but he's not Vernon Gholston either.

DDNYjets · 03-16-2013, 05:41 PM

Harris has aged in dog years since signing that contract. He was once as good a tackler as there was at his position AND he was good in coverage as well as being a proficient blitzer.

He was phenomenal in 2009. And he capped that with some strong performances in the playoffs. He was great in the Charger game, made every tackle in the open field.

Now he is slow footed and misses tackles. To be fair, its not just him. I have no idea how we went from one of the best tackling teams in 2009 to the garbage we have watched the past two years with basically the same players.

pcola · 03-16-2013, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by John_0515

That's not the same as just cutting him because he has a big salary.

I understand the Jets are rebuilding, but clearing everyone that has a big salary isn't black and white. The Jets need players. Harris is a good player. Bad year, yes, for him. He's a starter on 25 other teams, at least.

Jets don't have a million draft choices.

QB
OL
TE
WR
OLB
ILB (another one)
CB
SS
FS

The list goes on. Harris is a good starter. Just "cut him and clear cap space" isn't the answer. To sign who?

Again, we are talking about after this season. We will hopefully have half of these positions solidified long term, or at least through next season by then.

NY's stepchild · 03-16-2013, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by John_0515

I don't think he's nearly as bad as people are making him out to be. He's actually a good LB. The entire team sucked last year.

He's not Ray Lewis, but he's not Vernon Gholston either.

He is a good player as long as you keep blockers off him. The unsung dirty work of Bart, and Pouha got him that contract, and them both getting old really exposed him.

JonEJet · 03-16-2013, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DDNYjets

Harris has aged in dog years since signing that contract.
Now he is slow footed and misses tackles. To be fair, its not just him. I have no idea how we went from one of the best tackling teams in 2009 to the garbage we have watched the past two years with basically the same players.

An inside backer is only as good as his nose Guard in the 3-4

With Pouha hurt, and using an undersized DeVito Harris' numbers went own

DDNYjets · 03-16-2013, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by JonEJet

An inside backer is only as good as his nose Guard in the 3-4

With Pouha hurt, and using an undersized DeVito Harris' numbers went own

You're right but he has been declining since 2011. I think Scott's decline hurt him too. He also hurt his ankle in preseason.

But those are just excuses. He gets paid like a difference maker. He needs to be one.

MykePM · 03-16-2013, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by NY's stepchild

He is a good player as long as you keep blockers off him. The unsung dirty work of Bart, and Pouha got him that contract, and them both getting old really exposed him.

I'm not sure Harris' skill set supports this, but maybe it's time for him to shift to the "dirty work" role Scott has vacated and let Davis take over the "make plays all over the field" role.

C Mart · 03-18-2013, 06:52 PM

@NFLSTROUD: The list of teams with cap room, need and a willingness to compensate Revis is not a long one and the Bucs are clearly at the top.

@NFLSTROUD: While Dominik would not directly address reports that the Bucs are interested in trading for Darrelle Revis, it's clear they feel no urgency

03-16-2013, 04:10 PM	#443
C Mart Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,314	@ConorTOrr: Following up on our post yesterday, Revis has now earned an extra $1 million \| http://t.co/VH1NG0LKWF @AlbertBreer: The Jets paying Revis the bonus was fully expected. More of a checkpoint than a deadline. Not much urgency for Jets deal him now.

03-16-2013, 04:50 PM	#446
John_0515 Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 21,217	Cut everyone who makes a big salary. That's what seems to be the theme lately. Unless the Jets have a viable replacement, don't cut anyone until you think about it better.

03-16-2013, 05:41 PM	#454
DDNYjets Hall Of Fame Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: New York Posts: 12,560	Harris has aged in dog years since signing that contract. He was once as good a tackler as there was at his position AND he was good in coverage as well as being a proficient blitzer. He was phenomenal in 2009. And he capped that with some strong performances in the playoffs. He was great in the Charger game, made every tackle in the open field. Now he is slow footed and misses tackles. To be fair, its not just him. I have no idea how we went from one of the best tackling teams in 2009 to the garbage we have watched the past two years with basically the same players.

03-18-2013, 06:52 PM	#460
C Mart Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,314	@NFLSTROUD: The list of teams with cap room, need and a willingness to compensate Revis is not a long one and the Bucs are clearly at the top. @NFLSTROUD: While Dominik would not directly address reports that the Bucs are interested in trading for Darrelle Revis, it's clear they feel no urgency