Dunta Robinson

Ven0m · 04-05-2004, 03:05 PM

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4.34 in the 40? Why havent we been talking about drafting him?

why dont we trade down to get him and get a 2nd or 3rd rounder in the process?

pope · 04-05-2004, 03:08 PM

[quote][i]Originally posted by abraham-94[/i]@Apr 5 2004, 03:05 PM
[b] [url=http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/dunta_robinson]http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/dunta_robinson[/url]

4.34 in the 40? Why havent we been talking about drafting him?

why dont we trade down to get him and get a 2nd or 3rd rounder in the process? [/b][/quote]
Because according to all the "experts" here the kid is already a bust :blink:

Ven0m · 04-05-2004, 03:11 PM

[quote][i]Originally posted by pope+Apr 5 2004, 03:08 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (pope @ Apr 5 2004, 03:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--abraham-94[/i]@Apr 5 2004, 03:05 PM
[b] [url=http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/dunta_robinson]http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/dunta_robinson[/url]

4.34 in the 40? Why havent we been talking about drafting him?

why dont we trade down to get him and get a 2nd or 3rd rounder in the process? [/b][/quote]
Because according to all the "experts" here the kid is already a bust :blink: [/b][/quote]
all i can say is that if our fans were the GMs we would be in cap hell :lol: , and we would probably still lose

JetsFan 51 · 04-05-2004, 03:17 PM

I like him but some people dont like him, I want to trade down and get him, but we will see

TheBrodyMan · 04-05-2004, 03:17 PM

[quote][i]Originally posted by abraham-94[/i]@Apr 5 2004, 07:05 PM
[b] [url=http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/dunta_robinson]http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/dunta_robinson[/url]

4.34 in the 40? Why havent we been talking about drafting him?

why dont we trade down to get him and get a 2nd or 3rd rounder in the process? [/b][/quote]
We have been talking about him...a lot, in fact. But, as Pope said, some of our fans think he will be a bust...even though they have never seen him play.

MickeyShuler · 04-05-2004, 03:19 PM

I have seen him play and he looks clueless in coverage.

TheBrodyMan · 04-05-2004, 03:22 PM

[quote][i]Originally posted by MickeyShuler[/i]@Apr 5 2004, 07:19 PM
[b] I have seen him play and he looks clueless in coverage. [/b][/quote]
That is the obvious knock everyone makes on him. But he has the athletic talent, and the upside for this player is incredible. Whoever the Jets pick wont start, so Robinson will have a year to work with Henderson...one of the best defensive player developers in the league.

Robinson has a lot of raw talent, and with some good coaching, could become a shut down corner.

Warfish · 04-05-2004, 03:24 PM

OK, as someone who doesn't think Dunta is worthy of #12, and has said so, I want to defend my position:

I think Dunta is just fine, although IMO he IS a workout wonder (oooo, look at the 4.3 speed....in shorts.....in the spring......) He will VERY likely be a solid Pro-level CB.

However, I think he is no better than the other CB's available from top to bottom of the 1st round, including Hall, Gamble or UCLA's Ware.

If we are NOT going to get a Gamebreaker like Mike or Roy Willimas or Winslow Jr., then I say trade down and get the best CB still available at #25 to #30, because even if thats Ware (expected to be available at that point) we are still getting the same thing, a solid future Starting calibur CB who will ride pine or play the #4 CB spot in 2004.

If we trade down, we can also get someone like Boulware, the LB, who fills a need in THAT spot as well AND leaves our #3 Round ick for a Guard, perhaps like Snee from Boston College, filling THAT need too.

Then we can pick up WR depth in Round #4.

However, with all that said, I don't think Dunta is a BUST in any way, just not the stud some here think, and NOT worthy of the #12 pick (at least not for us).

I could be wrong, it's happened before...

JonEJet · 04-05-2004, 03:24 PM

[quote][i]Originally posted by pope[/i]@Apr 5 2004, 03:08 PM
[b]
Because according to all the "experts" here the kid is already a bust :blink: [/b][/quote]
Pope

Obviously I hope the Jets don't get this guy.

With that said.....I'd like to wager this guy will be considered
average if not a bust this year.

You feel like he may make 1st or 2nd team all rookie?

Lets wager something!!

pope · 04-05-2004, 03:46 PM

[quote][i]Originally posted by JonEJet+Apr 5 2004, 03:24 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (JonEJet @ Apr 5 2004, 03:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--pope[/i]@Apr 5 2004, 03:08 PM
[b]
Because according to all the "experts" here the kid is already a bust :blink: [/b][/quote]
Pope

Obviously I hope the Jets don't get this guy.

With that said.....I'd like to wager this guy will be considered
average if not a bust this year.

You feel like he may make 1st or 2nd team all rookie?

Lets wager something!! [/b][/quote]
John E. he most likely won't start this year for whatever team drafts him. I can't exactly bet with a guy whose riding the pine.

Like Gamble I think he is also a year away from starting duty but I think both these guys down the road will be good CB's.

DE94Abraham · 04-05-2004, 03:46 PM

In the games i've seen South Carolina and Virginia Tech play, Dunta looked like he had much better coverage skills then everybodys new favorite, Mr.Hall. All i know is i watched DeAngelo get ripped up by WVU, Pitt, Miami (yes he had some nice plays, but were few and far between his missed coverages) ,Temple (Phil Goodman made him look lost all day, as well as a play in which Hall tried a flying head tackle and went right by him...remind you of someone) , and against Cal...He looked great at times but he still gave up alot of yards against his man for the day. I saw South Carolina play Kentucky, Virginia, Georgia, and florida...and i dont remember Dunta screwing up half as much as the great DeAngelo Hall.

JetMan55 · 04-05-2004, 08:51 PM

i would love to draft him

JetsFan 51 · 04-05-2004, 10:19 PM

I tell you if he is going to sit and have to develop him y not get a more talented, taller player in gamble and develop him

TheBrodyMan · 04-05-2004, 10:21 PM

[quote][i]Originally posted by JetsFan 51[/i]@Apr 6 2004, 02:19 AM
[b] I tell you if he is going to sit and have to develop him y not get a more talented, taller player in gamble and develop him [/b][/quote]
How is Gamble neccesarily more talented?

Just because he played at The Ohio St., he is more talented?

In fact, most of the "experts" have said that Dunta Robinson is more talented than Gamble...just needs some work.

I dont know whose more talented because I have not watched every single game tape of the two, but I am just tired of people saying Gamble is the most talented...he really isnt.

JetMan55 · 04-05-2004, 10:23 PM

robinson is a speed demon

JetsFan 51 · 04-05-2004, 10:28 PM

they are the same speed, he is taller, can jump higher, and has experience as a PR

04-05-2004, 03:05 PM	#1
Ven0m a shutdown poster Hall Of Fame Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: NY Posts: 18,349	[url=http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/dunta_robinson]http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/dunta_robinson[/url] 4.34 in the 40? Why havent we been talking about drafting him? why dont we trade down to get him and get a 2nd or 3rd rounder in the process?

04-05-2004, 03:08 PM	#2
pope Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 5,979	[quote][i]Originally posted by abraham-94[/i]@Apr 5 2004, 03:05 PM [b] [url=http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/dunta_robinson]http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/dunta_robinson[/url] 4.34 in the 40? Why havent we been talking about drafting him? why dont we trade down to get him and get a 2nd or 3rd rounder in the process? [/b][/quote] Because according to all the "experts" here the kid is already a bust :blink:

04-05-2004, 03:11 PM	#3
Ven0m a shutdown poster Hall Of Fame Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: NY Posts: 18,349	[quote][i]Originally posted by pope+Apr 5 2004, 03:08 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (pope @ Apr 5 2004, 03:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--abraham-94[/i]@Apr 5 2004, 03:05 PM [b] [url=http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/dunta_robinson]http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/dunta_robinson[/url] 4.34 in the 40? Why havent we been talking about drafting him? why dont we trade down to get him and get a 2nd or 3rd rounder in the process? [/b][/quote] Because according to all the "experts" here the kid is already a bust :blink: [/b][/quote] all i can say is that if our fans were the GMs we would be in cap hell :lol: , and we would probably still lose

04-05-2004, 03:17 PM	#4
JetsFan 51 All Pro Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,063	I like him but some people dont like him, I want to trade down and get him, but we will see

04-05-2004, 03:17 PM	#5
TheBrodyMan Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Brooklyn/Austin Posts: 2,712	[quote][i]Originally posted by abraham-94[/i]@Apr 5 2004, 07:05 PM [b] [url=http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/dunta_robinson]http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/dunta_robinson[/url] 4.34 in the 40? Why havent we been talking about drafting him? why dont we trade down to get him and get a 2nd or 3rd rounder in the process? [/b][/quote] We have been talking about him...a lot, in fact. But, as Pope said, some of our fans think he will be a bust...even though they have never seen him play.

04-05-2004, 03:19 PM	#6
MickeyShuler Probably here before you.... All Pro Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,274	I have seen him play and he looks clueless in coverage.

04-05-2004, 03:22 PM	#7
TheBrodyMan Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Brooklyn/Austin Posts: 2,712	[quote][i]Originally posted by MickeyShuler[/i]@Apr 5 2004, 07:19 PM [b] I have seen him play and he looks clueless in coverage. [/b][/quote] That is the obvious knock everyone makes on him. But he has the athletic talent, and the upside for this player is incredible. Whoever the Jets pick wont start, so Robinson will have a year to work with Henderson...one of the best defensive player developers in the league. Robinson has a lot of raw talent, and with some good coaching, could become a shut down corner.

04-05-2004, 03:24 PM	#8
Warfish JetsInsider.com Legend Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 35,000	OK, as someone who doesn't think Dunta is worthy of #12, and has said so, I want to defend my position: I think Dunta is just fine, although IMO he IS a workout wonder (oooo, look at the 4.3 speed....in shorts.....in the spring......) He will VERY likely be a solid Pro-level CB. However, I think he is no better than the other CB's available from top to bottom of the 1st round, including Hall, Gamble or UCLA's Ware. If we are NOT going to get a Gamebreaker like Mike or Roy Willimas or Winslow Jr., then I say trade down and get the best CB still available at #25 to #30, because even if thats Ware (expected to be available at that point) we are still getting the same thing, a solid future Starting calibur CB who will ride pine or play the #4 CB spot in 2004. If we trade down, we can also get someone like Boulware, the LB, who fills a need in THAT spot as well AND leaves our #3 Round ick for a Guard, perhaps like Snee from Boston College, filling THAT need too. Then we can pick up WR depth in Round #4. However, with all that said, I don't think Dunta is a BUST in any way, just not the stud some here think, and NOT worthy of the #12 pick (at least not for us). I could be wrong, it's happened before...

04-05-2004, 03:24 PM	#9
JonEJet Hall Of Fame Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: Charleston, SC Posts: 11,369	[quote][i]Originally posted by pope[/i]@Apr 5 2004, 03:08 PM [b] Because according to all the "experts" here the kid is already a bust :blink: [/b][/quote] Pope Obviously I hope the Jets don't get this guy. With that said.....I'd like to wager this guy will be considered average if not a bust this year. You feel like he may make 1st or 2nd team all rookie? Lets wager something!!

04-05-2004, 03:46 PM	#10
pope Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 5,979	[quote][i]Originally posted by JonEJet+Apr 5 2004, 03:24 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (JonEJet @ Apr 5 2004, 03:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--pope[/i]@Apr 5 2004, 03:08 PM [b] Because according to all the "experts" here the kid is already a bust :blink: [/b][/quote] Pope Obviously I hope the Jets don't get this guy. With that said.....I'd like to wager this guy will be considered average if not a bust this year. You feel like he may make 1st or 2nd team all rookie? Lets wager something!! [/b][/quote] John E. he most likely won't start this year for whatever team drafts him. I can't exactly bet with a guy whose riding the pine. Like Gamble I think he is also a year away from starting duty but I think both these guys down the road will be good CB's.

04-05-2004, 03:46 PM	#11
DE94Abraham Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: New City, NY Posts: 3,036	In the games i've seen South Carolina and Virginia Tech play, Dunta looked like he had much better coverage skills then everybodys new favorite, Mr.Hall. All i know is i watched DeAngelo get ripped up by WVU, Pitt, Miami (yes he had some nice plays, but were few and far between his missed coverages) ,Temple (Phil Goodman made him look lost all day, as well as a play in which Hall tried a flying head tackle and went right by him...remind you of someone) , and against Cal...He looked great at times but he still gave up alot of yards against his man for the day. I saw South Carolina play Kentucky, Virginia, Georgia, and florida...and i dont remember Dunta screwing up half as much as the great DeAngelo Hall.

04-05-2004, 08:51 PM	#12
JetMan55 All League Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 3,581	i would love to draft him

04-05-2004, 10:19 PM	#13
JetsFan 51 All Pro Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,063	I tell you if he is going to sit and have to develop him y not get a more talented, taller player in gamble and develop him

04-05-2004, 10:21 PM	#14
TheBrodyMan Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Brooklyn/Austin Posts: 2,712	[quote][i]Originally posted by JetsFan 51[/i]@Apr 6 2004, 02:19 AM [b] I tell you if he is going to sit and have to develop him y not get a more talented, taller player in gamble and develop him [/b][/quote] How is Gamble neccesarily more talented? Just because he played at The Ohio St., he is more talented? In fact, most of the "experts" have said that Dunta Robinson is more talented than Gamble...just needs some work. I dont know whose more talented because I have not watched every single game tape of the two, but I am just tired of people saying Gamble is the most talented...he really isnt.

04-05-2004, 10:23 PM	#15
JetMan55 All League Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 3,581	robinson is a speed demon

04-05-2004, 10:28 PM	#16
JetsFan 51 All Pro Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,063	they are the same speed, he is taller, can jump higher, and has experience as a PR