10 Most Improved NFL Teams 2004

LockeJET · 05-04-2004, 12:13 PM

Should the Jets be on this list????

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=1794386]http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/stor...john&id=1794386[/url]

TechJet · 05-04-2004, 12:22 PM

If you check again you`ll see they have only two AFC teams onthe list all from the west..there work was INCOMPLETE! :unsure: of course we should be on the list..

JetFanatic10 · 05-04-2004, 12:38 PM

I feel all those teams made big improvements,the only clear cut team we had a better offseason than was Seattle

suprjet · 05-04-2004, 12:41 PM

More haters . . .

One thing I noticed is the Bucs -- they currently have 18 OL on the roster. Kenyatta Walker, Matt O'Dwyer or Matt Stinchcomb would be a nice addition.

OrangeJet · 05-04-2004, 12:44 PM

The only time I'll care about such a list is during the football season, when they're taking gameplay into account.

LockeJET · 05-04-2004, 12:44 PM

[quote][i]Originally posted by suprjet[/i]@May 4 2004, 04:41 PM
[b] More haters . . .

One thing I noticed is the Bucs -- they currently have 18 OL on the roster. Kenyatta Walker, Matt O'Dwyer or Matt Stinchcomb would be a nice addition. [/b][/quote]
i totally aggree...would love one of those guys...

stonehands · 05-04-2004, 12:50 PM

In the offseason it is all about big names. There is no way that TB getting Galloway and Ian Gold is better than J Mac and Barton, but they have bigger names. Also, if Oakland getting Ted Washington and Sapp for their D line is such a good move then why did their old teams let them go? The regular season games will determine who had the best offseason.

PatsFanTX · 05-04-2004, 12:51 PM

[quote][i]Originally posted by stonehands[/i]@May 4 2004, 12:50 PM
[b] Also, if Oakland getting Ted Washington and Sapp for their D line is such a good move then why did their old teams let them go? [/b][/quote]

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

shuler82 · 05-04-2004, 01:17 PM

as soon as clayton even MENTIONED the falcons picking up aaron beasley as an improvment the article lost all credibility.

LockeJET · 05-04-2004, 01:45 PM

[quote][i]Originally posted by shuler82[/i]@May 4 2004, 05:17 PM
[b] as soon as clayton even MENTIONED the falcons picking up aaron beasley as an improvment the article lost all credibility. [/b][/quote]
lol

Mo Lew · 05-04-2004, 01:50 PM

Clayton never ever ever gives respect to the Jets.

chiefst2000 · 05-04-2004, 02:08 PM

[quote][i]Originally posted by shuler82[/i]@May 4 2004, 01:17 PM
[b] as soon as clayton even MENTIONED the falcons picking up aaron beasley as an improvment the article lost all credibility. [/b][/quote]
Agreed

JetChefJR · 05-04-2004, 02:14 PM

This article lost all credibility when it lists the Falcons @ 3 and saying that one of the reasons is because

"The cornerback position is completely revamped with DeAngelo Hall, Jason Webster and Aaron Beasley. "

Ok, Beasley and revamped should never appear in the same sentence... When fragile Vick breaks another bone, we'll hear the excuses again bout the shouldves and couldves of this team... <_<

Also the Seahawks have no business on there at all... in fact Id say that they actually had a sub-par offseason...

When the games begin, the Jets will show up!

TheBrodyMan · 05-04-2004, 02:26 PM

Do you know how many times these guys are right? Very rarely. Let them speak this blasphemic rhetoric, but when it comes down to it, I dont want one expert saying we have a shot next year because those are the teams that do well.

05-04-2004, 02:38 PM

Did you guys ever stop and THINK that maybe it's a good thing? Maybe it's a compliment you were left off the 10 most improved list. To be on that list you really had to have sucked the previous year. Notice my Dolphins are not on the list....they were too good to improve alot.

I always remember when I was 10 yrs. old I got a trophy at the end of the year bowling league banquet for MOST IMPROVED BOWLER. At first I was quite proud, then I got to thinking, if I got this award (and I really wasn't that good at the end) then they must have really thought I SUCKED in the beginning :o !

PatsFanTX · 05-04-2004, 02:40 PM

[quote][i]Originally posted by DOLPHINWORSHIPPER2[/i]@May 4 2004, 02:38 PM
[b] To be on that list you really had to have sucked the previous year. [/b][/quote]

DW, what the hell do you call a 6-10 record? :blink: :blink:

DTrainBringinDaPain · 05-04-2004, 02:41 PM

[quote][i]Originally posted by PatsFanTX+May 4 2004, 02:40 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (PatsFanTX @ May 4 2004, 02:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--DOLPHINWORSHIPPER2[/i]@May 4 2004, 02:38 PM
[b] To be on that list you really had to have sucked the previous year. [/b][/quote]

DW, what the hell do you call a 6-10 record? :blink: :blink: [/b][/quote]
I call it "Bad Luck" ;)

05-04-2004, 02:51 PM

[quote][i]Originally posted by PatsFanTX+May 4 2004, 06:40 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (PatsFanTX @ May 4 2004, 06:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--DOLPHINWORSHIPPER2[/i]@May 4 2004, 02:38 PM
[b] To be on that list you really had to have sucked the previous year. [/b][/quote]

DW, what the hell do you call a 6-10 record? :blink: :blink: [/b][/quote]
ahh, I was just feeling generous

MiamiJet · 05-04-2004, 03:29 PM

I try to be reasonable and unbiased with this team, but let's look at our additions. Some of them are not only on-field personnel, but coaching staff/philosophy.

McCareins>Conway
Barton>Lewis
Barrett>Beasley
Moore>Szott
Tounge>Garnes

Simply looking at the draft, we acquired arguably the best lb and cb in college, with Vilma and Strait. If not the best, both should be considered in the top 4 in their respective positions. Our overall team speed and aggressiveness has improved.

We've upgraded our special teams with McClover, McCarreins, and Cotchery, our OL with Jones and Cravka, depth at S with Coleman and Weaver, and help at DE with Johnson.

Chad now has bigger, faster targets in McCarreins and Cotchery which should allow Moss to match up one on one.

We also upgraded our coaching staff, changing from a passive, read react system, to a much more aggressive, man to man type. Marcin could help develop Robertson, Ellis, Thomas and Abe.

Having Penny and Evans back for a full season should help, too.

That's fine. Let's slip under the radar and surprise everyone.

PatsFanTX · 05-04-2004, 03:38 PM

[quote][i]Originally posted by MiamiJet[/i]@May 4 2004, 03:29 PM
[b]

Simply looking at the draft, we acquired arguably the best lb and cb in college, with Vilma and Strait. [/b][/quote]

Derrick Strait a better CB than Hall and Robinson? :blink: :blink:

05-04-2004, 12:13 PM	#1
LockeJET pooping, but thinking of you! Hall of Fame Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 15,960	Should the Jets be on this list???? [url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=1794386]http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/stor...john&id=1794386[/url]

05-04-2004, 12:22 PM	#2
TechJet Still waiting for the next Jet SB crown. Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Fr:NYC to Mid Ga. Posts: 8,548	If you check again you`ll see they have only two AFC teams onthe list all from the west..there work was INCOMPLETE! :unsure: of course we should be on the list..

05-04-2004, 12:38 PM	#3
JetFanatic10 All League Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 788	I feel all those teams made big improvements,the only clear cut team we had a better offseason than was Seattle

05-04-2004, 12:41 PM	#4
suprjet Veteran Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,077	More haters . . . One thing I noticed is the Bucs -- they currently have 18 OL on the roster. Kenyatta Walker, Matt O'Dwyer or Matt Stinchcomb would be a nice addition.

05-04-2004, 12:44 PM	#5
OrangeJet All League Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,946	The only time I'll care about such a list is during the football season, when they're taking gameplay into account.

05-04-2004, 12:50 PM	#7
stonehands All League Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Albany, NY Posts: 604	In the offseason it is all about big names. There is no way that TB getting Galloway and Ian Gold is better than J Mac and Barton, but they have bigger names. Also, if Oakland getting Ted Washington and Sapp for their D line is such a good move then why did their old teams let them go? The regular season games will determine who had the best offseason.

05-04-2004, 12:51 PM	#8
PatsFanTX JI Resident Troll Banned Join Date: May 2003 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 52,068	[quote][i]Originally posted by stonehands[/i]@May 4 2004, 12:50 PM [b] Also, if Oakland getting Ted Washington and Sapp for their D line is such a good move then why did their old teams let them go? [/b][/quote] $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

05-04-2004, 01:17 PM	#9
shuler82 Jets Insider VIP Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: hoboken Posts: 5,672	as soon as clayton even MENTIONED the falcons picking up aaron beasley as an improvment the article lost all credibility.

05-04-2004, 01:45 PM	#10
LockeJET pooping, but thinking of you! Hall of Fame Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 15,960	[quote][i]Originally posted by shuler82[/i]@May 4 2004, 05:17 PM [b] as soon as clayton even MENTIONED the falcons picking up aaron beasley as an improvment the article lost all credibility. [/b][/quote] lol

05-04-2004, 01:50 PM	#11
Mo Lew All League Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: nyc Posts: 697	Clayton never ever ever gives respect to the Jets.

05-04-2004, 02:08 PM	#12
chiefst2000 Champion of Common Sense All Pro Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 5,838	[quote][i]Originally posted by shuler82[/i]@May 4 2004, 01:17 PM [b] as soon as clayton even MENTIONED the falcons picking up aaron beasley as an improvment the article lost all credibility. [/b][/quote] Agreed

05-04-2004, 02:14 PM	#13
JetChefJR B4 Crew... Learn to Live It, Learn to Love It! All League Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: North Jersey Posts: 2,504	This article lost all credibility when it lists the Falcons @ 3 and saying that one of the reasons is because "The cornerback position is completely revamped with DeAngelo Hall, Jason Webster and Aaron Beasley. " Ok, Beasley and revamped should never appear in the same sentence... When fragile Vick breaks another bone, we'll hear the excuses again bout the shouldves and couldves of this team... <_< Also the Seahawks have no business on there at all... in fact Id say that they actually had a sub-par offseason... When the games begin, the Jets will show up!

05-04-2004, 02:26 PM	#14
TheBrodyMan Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Brooklyn/Austin Posts: 2,712	Do you know how many times these guys are right? Very rarely. Let them speak this blasphemic rhetoric, but when it comes down to it, I dont want one expert saying we have a shot next year because those are the teams that do well.

05-04-2004, 02:38 PM	#15
DOLPHINWORSHIPPER2 Edit Status Guest Posts: n/a	Did you guys ever stop and THINK that maybe it's a good thing? Maybe it's a compliment you were left off the 10 most improved list. To be on that list you really had to have sucked the previous year. Notice my Dolphins are not on the list....they were too good to improve alot. I always remember when I was 10 yrs. old I got a trophy at the end of the year bowling league banquet for MOST IMPROVED BOWLER. At first I was quite proud, then I got to thinking, if I got this award (and I really wasn't that good at the end) then they must have really thought I SUCKED in the beginning :o !

05-04-2004, 02:40 PM	#16
PatsFanTX JI Resident Troll Banned Join Date: May 2003 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 52,068	[quote][i]Originally posted by DOLPHINWORSHIPPER2[/i]@May 4 2004, 02:38 PM [b] To be on that list you really had to have sucked the previous year. [/b][/quote] DW, what the hell do you call a 6-10 record? :blink: :blink:

05-04-2004, 02:41 PM	#17
DTrainBringinDaPain All Pro Join Date: May 2003 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 1,095	[quote][i]Originally posted by PatsFanTX+May 4 2004, 02:40 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (PatsFanTX @ May 4 2004, 02:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--DOLPHINWORSHIPPER2[/i]@May 4 2004, 02:38 PM [b] To be on that list you really had to have sucked the previous year. [/b][/quote] DW, what the hell do you call a 6-10 record? :blink: :blink: [/b][/quote] I call it "Bad Luck" ;)

05-04-2004, 02:51 PM	#18
DOLPHINWORSHIPPER2 Edit Status Guest Posts: n/a	[quote][i]Originally posted by PatsFanTX+May 4 2004, 06:40 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (PatsFanTX @ May 4 2004, 06:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--DOLPHINWORSHIPPER2[/i]@May 4 2004, 02:38 PM [b] To be on that list you really had to have sucked the previous year. [/b][/quote] DW, what the hell do you call a 6-10 record? :blink: :blink: [/b][/quote] ahh, I was just feeling generous

05-04-2004, 03:29 PM	#19
MiamiJet Hall Of Fame Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 3,292	I try to be reasonable and unbiased with this team, but let's look at our additions. Some of them are not only on-field personnel, but coaching staff/philosophy. McCareins>Conway Barton>Lewis Barrett>Beasley Moore>Szott Tounge>Garnes Simply looking at the draft, we acquired arguably the best lb and cb in college, with Vilma and Strait. If not the best, both should be considered in the top 4 in their respective positions. Our overall team speed and aggressiveness has improved. We've upgraded our special teams with McClover, McCarreins, and Cotchery, our OL with Jones and Cravka, depth at S with Coleman and Weaver, and help at DE with Johnson. Chad now has bigger, faster targets in McCarreins and Cotchery which should allow Moss to match up one on one. We also upgraded our coaching staff, changing from a passive, read react system, to a much more aggressive, man to man type. Marcin could help develop Robertson, Ellis, Thomas and Abe. Having Penny and Evans back for a full season should help, too. That's fine. Let's slip under the radar and surprise everyone.

05-04-2004, 03:38 PM	#20
PatsFanTX JI Resident Troll Banned Join Date: May 2003 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 52,068	[quote][i]Originally posted by MiamiJet[/i]@May 4 2004, 03:29 PM [b] Simply looking at the draft, we acquired arguably the best lb and cb in college, with Vilma and Strait. [/b][/quote] Derrick Strait a better CB than Hall and Robinson? :blink: :blink: