Soldier killing the insurgent - Page 2

jetsfaninCO · 11-16-2004, 04:06 PM

I know he isn't, just pissed about all libs who are being babies because there guy lost..

Enrique Pallazzo · 11-16-2004, 04:06 PM

[quote][i]Originally posted by jetsfaninCO[/i]@Nov 16 2004, 06:06 PM
[b] I know he isn't, just pissed about all libs who are being babies because there guy lost.. [/b][/quote]
but none of his posts had to do with his opinion on Kerry or Bush or the election.

jetsfaninCO · 11-16-2004, 04:29 PM

Sure they do. He is just a one sided as the liberal media. You show me one post where he supports anything that our troops or President is doing..

Come Back to NY · 11-16-2004, 04:36 PM

shoot now ask questions later....all it takes is one scuzlim to feign injury then come out from under a blanket with a ak-47 and kill a bunch of our guys.

Enrique Pallazzo · 11-16-2004, 04:46 PM

[quote][i]Originally posted by jetsfaninCO[/i]@Nov 16 2004, 06:29 PM
[b] Sure they do. He is just a one sided as the liberal media. You show me one post where he supports anything that our troops or President is doing.. [/b][/quote]
I'm talking about this thread. He said nothing political in this thread.

Spirit of Weeb · 11-16-2004, 05:53 PM

The only regret I have about it is that that iraqi piece of garbage wasn't shot with his own ammunition.

Wasting an American bullet worth 10 cents on one of those POS is 10 cents too much in my opinion. And any liberal that will cry about this is a total jacka$$.

We are at war against an enemy that straps bombs to themselves or cuts off the heads of innocent people and videotapes it. It's about time we fight fire with fire.

Savage69 · 11-16-2004, 07:19 PM

My call?? After I shot the Scum I shoot the reporter who will use that Pic
and put it in the Hands of the Terrorists..Ever notice the Liberal Media
always call out our Troops for crimes but not the Terrorists?? This is War
People not a Tennis game on a sunny day! If Kerry was Pres that brave
Marine would go before the World Court! There was a Lib on the Radio
the other day that called Osama a "Great Man" with world wide support!
Matt Lauer and Katie Couric would probley agree once they get done
praising the great Man Arafat who just died!! <_<

bitonti · 11-16-2004, 07:57 PM

[quote][i]Originally posted by Enrique Pallazzo[/i]@Nov 16 2004, 01:37 PM
[b]
I agree 100% with that, BUT...
do you think that military personnel should face criminal charges based on a possible bad judgement call? That was really the intent of my debate. [/b][/quote]
was it against the laws of war? yes but the laws of war have been suspended for a long time in this conflict - the insurgents blowing themselves up and taking cover among citizenry is also against the rules of war, technically speaking.

so i see nothing wrong with the killing, especially under the heightened circumstances - war is war and there was a reason why the Bush team waited until after Nov 2 to take care of this dirty laundry.

jetswin · 11-16-2004, 09:26 PM

I'm just curious if there will be as much outrage over this shooting as the one of the poor woman who spent the last 30 years of her life helping Iraqi people.

Our guys are in a fight for their lives against scumbags who know no rules. God Bless our troops.

pope · 11-16-2004, 10:44 PM

Anything happens to this kid the whole marine corp. should lay down their arms and demand to be sent home immediatly.

That punk a$$ traitor reporter should be shot in the head.

Enrique Pallazzo · 11-17-2004, 10:14 AM

[quote][i]Originally posted by bitonti[/i]@Nov 16 2004, 09:57 PM
[b]
was it against the laws of war? yes but the laws of war have been suspended for a long time in this conflict - the insurgents blowing themselves up and taking cover among citizenry is also against the rules of war, technically speaking.

so i see nothing wrong with the killing, especially under the heightened circumstances - war is war and there was a reason why the Bush team waited until after Nov 2 to take care of this dirty laundry. [/b][/quote]
I don't think we know enough to say whether it was or wasn't against the "laws" of war. I think that's why it's being looked into. As far as the laws of war go, they've been broken by everyone without recourse. The Japanese were held accountable for murdering (and eating and experimenting on) POWs during WWII, but the Americans weren't held accountable for dropping millions of pounds of napalm on Tokyo and other cities, killing noncombatants (old men, women and children - the young men were off fighting somwhere) by the tens of thousands. What about Dresden? And in the same war, Russia wasn't held accountable for murdering thousands of Japanese POWs. The laws don't always apply when it comes to war. In THIS case, I think he's more innocent then anything the Americans did in WWII.

jetman67 · 11-17-2004, 11:24 AM

KILL THEM ALL, LET GOD SORT THEM OUT

bitonti · 11-17-2004, 11:40 AM

[quote][i]Originally posted by Enrique Pallazzo[/i]@Nov 17 2004, 10:14 AM
[b] I don't think we know enough to say whether it was or wasn't against the "laws" of war. [/b][/quote]
the guy was unarmed - killing the enemy out of combat is technically against the rules of war - but like you said correctly the rules of war have not really applied for a while -

heck technically this isn't even a declared war it's an executive police action, loose coalition of nations psuedo-justified by UN resolution 1441

jets5ever · 11-17-2004, 12:12 PM

The fact that people are even talking about this is a joke. This is a non-issue. When in doubt - shoot. Err on the side of caution. Too many of our boys have been killed by ambushes, or terrorists pretending to be civilians, etc. This kid has been through hours and hours of tough fighting, and knows the devious nature of our enemy. I'd rather our soldiers do this to 10,000 terrorists than to have a single US soldier lose his life because he hesitated, thinking erroneously that a terrorist was actually not a threat to him or his brothers. F*ck that terrorist. Tough luck.

Section109Row15 · 11-17-2004, 12:47 PM

5ever: The PC term is insurgent.

jets5ever · 11-17-2004, 12:50 PM

[quote][i]Originally posted by Section109Row15[/i]@Nov 17 2004, 12:47 PM
[b] 5ever: The PC term is insurgent. [/b][/quote]
I prefer "separatist" or "militant" or "commando" myself....

Enrique Pallazzo · 11-17-2004, 02:47 PM

[quote][i]Originally posted by bitonti[/i]@Nov 17 2004, 01:40 PM
[b] the guy was unarmed - killing the enemy out of combat is technically against the rules of war - but like you said correctly the rules of war have not really applied for a while -
[/b][/quote]
He wasn't killed out of combat. The combat has changed. The combat involved dead and near dead bodies with explosives to kill Americans. There's no way of knowing exactly whether he did or didn't have a weapon or explosives at the time. It is NOT as black and white as you say. That's why I say we don't have enough information.

bitonti · 11-17-2004, 03:07 PM

much like how the combat has changed, now we have to pre-emptively invade countries as a matter of national security

right enrique pollazo? :D

Enrique Pallazzo · 11-17-2004, 03:14 PM

[quote][i]Originally posted by bitonti[/i]@Nov 17 2004, 05:07 PM
[b] much like how the combat has changed, now we have to pre-emptively invade countries as a matter of national security

right enrique pollazo? :D [/b][/quote]
damn straight we do! As long as we have good intelligence that they really are a future threat.

jetsfaninCO · 11-17-2004, 03:25 PM

This is why we should not let reporters or camera crews to go along with our troops.

I say the next time one of these marines comes across a injured or dead terrorists scum, the sgt in charge should have the camera man or reporter check the body for booby traps.

11-16-2004, 04:06 PM	#21
jetsfaninCO All Pro Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 1,965	I know he isn't, just pissed about all libs who are being babies because there guy lost..

11-16-2004, 04:06 PM	#22
Enrique Pallazzo All Pro Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,631	[quote][i]Originally posted by jetsfaninCO[/i]@Nov 16 2004, 06:06 PM [b] I know he isn't, just pissed about all libs who are being babies because there guy lost.. [/b][/quote] but none of his posts had to do with his opinion on Kerry or Bush or the election.

11-16-2004, 04:29 PM	#23
jetsfaninCO All Pro Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 1,965	Sure they do. He is just a one sided as the liberal media. You show me one post where he supports anything that our troops or President is doing..

11-16-2004, 04:36 PM	#24
Come Back to NY Making lotsa $$$ off obama's stupidity... Jets Insider VIP JetsInsider.com Legend Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 31,407	shoot now ask questions later....all it takes is one scuzlim to feign injury then come out from under a blanket with a ak-47 and kill a bunch of our guys.

11-16-2004, 04:46 PM	#25
Enrique Pallazzo All Pro Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,631	[quote][i]Originally posted by jetsfaninCO[/i]@Nov 16 2004, 06:29 PM [b] Sure they do. He is just a one sided as the liberal media. You show me one post where he supports anything that our troops or President is doing.. [/b][/quote] I'm talking about this thread. He said nothing political in this thread.

11-16-2004, 05:53 PM	#26
Spirit of Weeb All Pro Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 2,393	The only regret I have about it is that that iraqi piece of garbage wasn't shot with his own ammunition. Wasting an American bullet worth 10 cents on one of those POS is 10 cents too much in my opinion. And any liberal that will cry about this is a total jacka$$. We are at war against an enemy that straps bombs to themselves or cuts off the heads of innocent people and videotapes it. It's about time we fight fire with fire.

11-16-2004, 07:19 PM	#27
Savage69 Jets Insider VIP Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 39,278	My call?? After I shot the Scum I shoot the reporter who will use that Pic and put it in the Hands of the Terrorists..Ever notice the Liberal Media always call out our Troops for crimes but not the Terrorists?? This is War People not a Tennis game on a sunny day! If Kerry was Pres that brave Marine would go before the World Court! There was a Lib on the Radio the other day that called Osama a "Great Man" with world wide support! Matt Lauer and Katie Couric would probley agree once they get done praising the great Man Arafat who just died!! <_<

11-16-2004, 07:57 PM	#28
bitonti searching Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philly Posts: 38,786	[quote][i]Originally posted by Enrique Pallazzo[/i]@Nov 16 2004, 01:37 PM [b] I agree 100% with that, BUT... do you think that military personnel should face criminal charges based on a possible bad judgement call? That was really the intent of my debate. [/b][/quote] was it against the laws of war? yes but the laws of war have been suspended for a long time in this conflict - the insurgents blowing themselves up and taking cover among citizenry is also against the rules of war, technically speaking. so i see nothing wrong with the killing, especially under the heightened circumstances - war is war and there was a reason why the Bush team waited until after Nov 2 to take care of this dirty laundry.

11-16-2004, 09:26 PM	#29
jetswin stumblin mumblin butt fumblin Board Moderator Jets Insider VIP JetsInsider.com Legend Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: Westchester Co. Posts: 35,461	I'm just curious if there will be as much outrage over this shooting as the one of the poor woman who spent the last 30 years of her life helping Iraqi people. Our guys are in a fight for their lives against scumbags who know no rules. God Bless our troops.

11-16-2004, 10:44 PM	#30
pope Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 5,979	Anything happens to this kid the whole marine corp. should lay down their arms and demand to be sent home immediatly. That punk a$$ traitor reporter should be shot in the head.

11-17-2004, 10:14 AM	#31
Enrique Pallazzo All Pro Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,631	[quote][i]Originally posted by bitonti[/i]@Nov 16 2004, 09:57 PM [b] was it against the laws of war? yes but the laws of war have been suspended for a long time in this conflict - the insurgents blowing themselves up and taking cover among citizenry is also against the rules of war, technically speaking. so i see nothing wrong with the killing, especially under the heightened circumstances - war is war and there was a reason why the Bush team waited until after Nov 2 to take care of this dirty laundry. [/b][/quote] I don't think we know enough to say whether it was or wasn't against the "laws" of war. I think that's why it's being looked into. As far as the laws of war go, they've been broken by everyone without recourse. The Japanese were held accountable for murdering (and eating and experimenting on) POWs during WWII, but the Americans weren't held accountable for dropping millions of pounds of napalm on Tokyo and other cities, killing noncombatants (old men, women and children - the young men were off fighting somwhere) by the tens of thousands. What about Dresden? And in the same war, Russia wasn't held accountable for murdering thousands of Japanese POWs. The laws don't always apply when it comes to war. In THIS case, I think he's more innocent then anything the Americans did in WWII.

11-17-2004, 11:24 AM	#32
jetman67 Wants a Superbowl, Thats It!!! Hall Of Fame Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: Somewhere Posts: 10,382	KILL THEM ALL, LET GOD SORT THEM OUT

11-17-2004, 11:40 AM	#33
bitonti searching Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philly Posts: 38,786	[quote][i]Originally posted by Enrique Pallazzo[/i]@Nov 17 2004, 10:14 AM [b] I don't think we know enough to say whether it was or wasn't against the "laws" of war. [/b][/quote] the guy was unarmed - killing the enemy out of combat is technically against the rules of war - but like you said correctly the rules of war have not really applied for a while - heck technically this isn't even a declared war it's an executive police action, loose coalition of nations psuedo-justified by UN resolution 1441

11-17-2004, 12:12 PM	#34
jets5ever Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Boston Posts: 11,692	The fact that people are even talking about this is a joke. This is a non-issue. When in doubt - shoot. Err on the side of caution. Too many of our boys have been killed by ambushes, or terrorists pretending to be civilians, etc. This kid has been through hours and hours of tough fighting, and knows the devious nature of our enemy. I'd rather our soldiers do this to 10,000 terrorists than to have a single US soldier lose his life because he hesitated, thinking erroneously that a terrorist was actually not a threat to him or his brothers. F*ck that terrorist. Tough luck.

11-17-2004, 12:47 PM	#35
Section109Row15 Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Washington, D.C. Posts: 3,406	5ever: The PC term is insurgent.

11-17-2004, 12:50 PM	#36
jets5ever Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Boston Posts: 11,692	[quote][i]Originally posted by Section109Row15[/i]@Nov 17 2004, 12:47 PM [b] 5ever: The PC term is insurgent. [/b][/quote] I prefer "separatist" or "militant" or "commando" myself....

11-17-2004, 02:47 PM	#37
Enrique Pallazzo All Pro Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,631	[quote][i]Originally posted by bitonti[/i]@Nov 17 2004, 01:40 PM [b] the guy was unarmed - killing the enemy out of combat is technically against the rules of war - but like you said correctly the rules of war have not really applied for a while - [/b][/quote] He wasn't killed out of combat. The combat has changed. The combat involved dead and near dead bodies with explosives to kill Americans. There's no way of knowing exactly whether he did or didn't have a weapon or explosives at the time. It is NOT as black and white as you say. That's why I say we don't have enough information.

11-17-2004, 03:07 PM	#38
bitonti searching Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philly Posts: 38,786	much like how the combat has changed, now we have to pre-emptively invade countries as a matter of national security right enrique pollazo? :D

11-17-2004, 03:14 PM	#39
Enrique Pallazzo All Pro Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,631	[quote][i]Originally posted by bitonti[/i]@Nov 17 2004, 05:07 PM [b] much like how the combat has changed, now we have to pre-emptively invade countries as a matter of national security right enrique pollazo? :D [/b][/quote] damn straight we do! As long as we have good intelligence that they really are a future threat.

11-17-2004, 03:25 PM	#40
jetsfaninCO All Pro Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 1,965	This is why we should not let reporters or camera crews to go along with our troops. I say the next time one of these marines comes across a injured or dead terrorists scum, the sgt in charge should have the camera man or reporter check the body for booby traps.