Why the abe injury can be positive

ArmyJet · 12-06-2004, 04:25 PM

say we do well without him which i hope to god we do.... and he stays out for 3 games or so... his market value will decrease and we will be able to sign him for a cheaper price than if he had kept on getting sacks... it will also be a good evaluation of BT

ArmyJet · 12-06-2004, 04:33 PM

no opinions?

BwanaZulia · 12-06-2004, 04:42 PM

[quote][i]Originally posted by JetsFan3288[/i]@Dec 6 2004, 05:33 PM
[b] no opinions? [/b][/quote]
Sure.

With all this talk of 15 or 20 million, I think Abe has to show us that he can stay healthy for an entire season and be productive. If he can't he is only "so" good for us.

IIRC, this is the third year in a row he has been hurt towards the end of the year.

BZ

LockeJET · 12-06-2004, 04:43 PM

If we try to sign him to a cheaper price he will either hold out or be playing for the Cowboys next year...

Jevon Kearse was often injured and look @ the deal he got...

But i am curious to keep seeing B Thomas, he has looked good while he has been in there....

ErIcBaRtOn50 · 12-06-2004, 04:45 PM

good point. besides abraham hasn't had a single sack in 3 games!! I think BT can put some good pressure on big ben, and get a sack as well.

jets2777 · 12-06-2004, 04:48 PM

there's nothing positive about Abraham being injured. We already know about BT, he's not very good. We need to win games now. I'd rather have Abe racking up a ton of sacks and increasing his value, rather than be sidelined.

LockeJET · 12-06-2004, 04:53 PM

[quote][i]Originally posted by jets2777[/i]@Dec 6 2004, 05:48 PM
[b] there's nothing positive about Abraham being injured. We already know about BT, he's not very good. We need to win games now. I'd rather have Abe racking up a ton of sacks and increasing his value, rather than be sidelined. [/b][/quote]
I think we would all rather have ABE but there could be some positives, there always is...

sandz · 12-06-2004, 05:20 PM

the only positive is that he will be well rested for the playoffs... i really doubt it will decrease his value. the jets flat out overpayed ellis, abes gonna expect the same treatment

Green Jets & Ham · 12-06-2004, 05:24 PM

Sorry, I see no bright side to losing our best defensive player as we enter the stretch run and the toughest part of our schedule

I wish I could say otherwise, but I'd be lying through my teeth

Green Jets & Ham · 12-06-2004, 05:27 PM

[quote][i]Originally posted by Green Jets & Ham[/i]@Dec 6 2004, 05:24 PM
[b] Sorry, I see no bright side to losing our best defensive player as we enter the stretch run and the toughest part of our schedule

I wish I could say otherwise, but I'd be lying through my teeth [/b][/quote]
CORRECTION

The only bright side is that he didn't blow out his knee and/or surgery is not required ... apparently

Other than that, no positives so far as I can see

JETFAN1 · 12-06-2004, 06:22 PM

Look it's obvious I'm a huge 94 fan but some of you are dillusional with some of your posts.

What did Ellis do yesterday? Nothing! The 15 million dollar man did nothing and I made sure I watched BT off the edge and as usual he doesn't know what to do. I hope Henderson starts blitzing come Sunday!

I'm surprised freak didn't chime in with one of his super optimistic posts. J/K freak :D

Iceman2004 · 12-06-2004, 06:54 PM

We need Abe bad. Some of you guys just don't get it. It's not all about sacks. It's about pressure. Sure he hasn't had any sacks in the last 3 games but how many times did the Q-B feel him? That's what I'm talking about. And the main reason we need him is the Q-B knows he's on the othere side of the ball. That in itself is the reason we need him more than anything else. No one fears Bryan Thomas and Trevor Johnson!!!!!

RoethlisBERG · 12-06-2004, 06:58 PM

We steeler fans are saying the same thing about Kendrell Bell but he has missed a lot of games this year and some of last year. His value probably went down a lot. Not to mention our backup is doing pretty good which isn't helping his case.

LAJET · 12-06-2004, 07:11 PM

Trevor Johnson will prove to be superior to BT. Believe it.

JETFAN1 · 12-06-2004, 07:30 PM

[quote][i]Originally posted by ErIcBaRtOn50[/i]@Dec 6 2004, 04:45 PM
[b] good point. besides abraham hasn't had a single sack in 3 games!! I think BT can put some good pressure on big ben, and get a sack as well. [/b][/quote]
Barton, are you friggin serious? :rolleyes:

ErIcBaRtOn50 · 12-06-2004, 07:38 PM

[quote][i]Originally posted by JETFAN1+Dec 6 2004, 07:30 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (JETFAN1 @ Dec 6 2004, 07:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-ErIcBaRtOn50[/i]@Dec 6 2004, 04:45 PM
[b] good point. besides abraham hasn't had a single sack in 3 games!! I think BT can put some good pressure on big ben, and get a sack as well. [/b][/quote]
Barton, are you friggin serious? :rolleyes: [/b][/quote]

50/50, I'm in alittle denial. but you have to admit, abe has had no sacks the last 3 games but has been GREAT at stuffing the run and applying pressure, QBs just have 4 eyes on him now I guess

JETFAN1 · 12-06-2004, 07:43 PM

[quote][i]Originally posted by ErIcBaRtOn50+Dec 6 2004, 07:38 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (ErIcBaRtOn50 @ Dec 6 2004, 07:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> [quote]Originally posted by JETFAN1@Dec 6 2004, 07:30 PM
[b] <!--QuoteBegin-ErIcBaRtOn50[/i]@Dec 6 2004, 04:45 PM
[b] good point. besides abraham hasn't had a single sack in 3 games!! I think BT can put some good pressure on big ben, and get a sack as well. [/b][/quote]
Barton, are you friggin serious? :rolleyes: [/b][/quote]

50/50, I'm in alittle denial. but you have to admit, abe has had no sacks the last 3 games but has been GREAT at stuffing the run and applying pressure, QBs just have 4 eyes on him now I guess [/b][/quote]
Thats what I figured barton, hopefully they can overcome not having him in the lineup.

djr44 · 12-06-2004, 07:47 PM

BIG Loss losing JABE. He is the best defensive player on the team because he make the rest of his teamates better. Other teams are always doubling Abe which makes life easier for ellis, drob, fergy, and the lb's.
That being said this defense has better players than last year where we should be able to overcome his loss.
Coleman
Barton
Vilma
D-rob is better
fergy is better
BTHomas is better
Barret
hobson or mark brown..

but the KEY is:
MR ELLIS
Donnie needs to call Ellis out....he just got paid like a superstar and we need him to play like a superstar.w/out JABE on the field. FOLKS get used to it becuase if im the jets i dont know if I give ABE the boatload of money he is looking for..he is injury prone and who knows if he hits the bottle the next few weeks becuase he is pissed he is not playing!!!!

ELLIS...BE THE MAN!!!!!!

DJR44

124 · 12-06-2004, 09:52 PM

Abe's a great player / great DE, Top 5 in the NFL, there's no question about that. But I believe this is his 3rd injury in 5 years? C'mon Abe, STAY HEALTHY OR YOU WON'T GET THE BIG BUCKS!!!!

MrSFJFC · 12-06-2004, 10:21 PM

[quote][i]Originally posted by JetsFan3288[/i]@Dec 6 2004, 04:25 PM
[b] say we do well without him which i hope to god we do.... and he stays out for 3 games or so... his market value will decrease and we will be able to sign him for a cheaper price than if he had kept on getting sacks... it will also be a good evaluation of BT [/b][/quote]
With todays' modern medicine and the proper treatment plus rehabilitation, he won't be out for three weeks.

12-06-2004, 04:25 PM	#1
ArmyJet Flying dem choppas Hall Of Fame Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Connecticut Posts: 3,900	say we do well without him which i hope to god we do.... and he stays out for 3 games or so... his market value will decrease and we will be able to sign him for a cheaper price than if he had kept on getting sacks... it will also be a good evaluation of BT

12-06-2004, 04:33 PM	#2
ArmyJet Flying dem choppas Hall Of Fame Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Connecticut Posts: 3,900	no opinions?

12-06-2004, 04:42 PM	#3
BwanaZulia finding it hard to wait for Sunday. Hall Of Fame Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: 220a, Row 12 Posts: 4,192	[quote][i]Originally posted by JetsFan3288[/i]@Dec 6 2004, 05:33 PM [b] no opinions? [/b][/quote] Sure. With all this talk of 15 or 20 million, I think Abe has to show us that he can stay healthy for an entire season and be productive. If he can't he is only "so" good for us. IIRC, this is the third year in a row he has been hurt towards the end of the year. BZ

12-06-2004, 04:43 PM	#4
LockeJET pooping, but thinking of you! Hall of Fame Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 15,957	If we try to sign him to a cheaper price he will either hold out or be playing for the Cowboys next year... Jevon Kearse was often injured and look @ the deal he got... But i am curious to keep seeing B Thomas, he has looked good while he has been in there....

12-06-2004, 04:45 PM	#5
ErIcBaRtOn50 Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 5,947	good point. besides abraham hasn't had a single sack in 3 games!! I think BT can put some good pressure on big ben, and get a sack as well.

12-06-2004, 04:48 PM	#6
jets2777 Banned Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 86	there's nothing positive about Abraham being injured. We already know about BT, he's not very good. We need to win games now. I'd rather have Abe racking up a ton of sacks and increasing his value, rather than be sidelined.

12-06-2004, 04:53 PM	#7
LockeJET pooping, but thinking of you! Hall of Fame Charter JI Member Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 15,957	[quote][i]Originally posted by jets2777[/i]@Dec 6 2004, 05:48 PM [b] there's nothing positive about Abraham being injured. We already know about BT, he's not very good. We need to win games now. I'd rather have Abe racking up a ton of sacks and increasing his value, rather than be sidelined. [/b][/quote] I think we would all rather have ABE but there could be some positives, there always is...

12-06-2004, 05:20 PM	#8
sandz All Pro Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Bedford, PA Posts: 2,146	the only positive is that he will be well rested for the playoffs... i really doubt it will decrease his value. the jets flat out overpayed ellis, abes gonna expect the same treatment

12-06-2004, 05:24 PM	#9
Green Jets & Ham Banned Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 41,588	Sorry, I see no bright side to losing our best defensive player as we enter the stretch run and the toughest part of our schedule I wish I could say otherwise, but I'd be lying through my teeth

12-06-2004, 05:27 PM	#10
Green Jets & Ham Banned Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 41,588	[quote][i]Originally posted by Green Jets & Ham[/i]@Dec 6 2004, 05:24 PM [b] Sorry, I see no bright side to losing our best defensive player as we enter the stretch run and the toughest part of our schedule I wish I could say otherwise, but I'd be lying through my teeth [/b][/quote] CORRECTION The only bright side is that he didn't blow out his knee and/or surgery is not required ... apparently Other than that, no positives so far as I can see

12-06-2004, 06:22 PM	#11
JETFAN1 Bored Veteran Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 1,782	Look it's obvious I'm a huge 94 fan but some of you are dillusional with some of your posts. What did Ellis do yesterday? Nothing! The 15 million dollar man did nothing and I made sure I watched BT off the edge and as usual he doesn't know what to do. I hope Henderson starts blitzing come Sunday! I'm surprised freak didn't chime in with one of his super optimistic posts. J/K freak :D

12-06-2004, 06:54 PM	#12
Iceman2004 Veteran Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: So Cal Posts: 143	We need Abe bad. Some of you guys just don't get it. It's not all about sacks. It's about pressure. Sure he hasn't had any sacks in the last 3 games but how many times did the Q-B feel him? That's what I'm talking about. And the main reason we need him is the Q-B knows he's on the othere side of the ball. That in itself is the reason we need him more than anything else. No one fears Bryan Thomas and Trevor Johnson!!!!!

12-06-2004, 06:58 PM	#13
RoethlisBERG Waterboy Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 5	We steeler fans are saying the same thing about Kendrell Bell but he has missed a lot of games this year and some of last year. His value probably went down a lot. Not to mention our backup is doing pretty good which isn't helping his case.

12-06-2004, 07:11 PM	#14
LAJET Gonna be a long season... Jets Insider VIP Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Manhattan Beach, CA Posts: 2,257	Trevor Johnson will prove to be superior to BT. Believe it.

12-06-2004, 07:30 PM	#15
JETFAN1 Bored Veteran Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 1,782	[quote][i]Originally posted by ErIcBaRtOn50[/i]@Dec 6 2004, 04:45 PM [b] good point. besides abraham hasn't had a single sack in 3 games!! I think BT can put some good pressure on big ben, and get a sack as well. [/b][/quote] Barton, are you friggin serious? :rolleyes:

12-06-2004, 07:38 PM	#16
ErIcBaRtOn50 Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 5,947	[quote][i]Originally posted by JETFAN1+Dec 6 2004, 07:30 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (JETFAN1 @ Dec 6 2004, 07:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-ErIcBaRtOn50[/i]@Dec 6 2004, 04:45 PM [b] good point. besides abraham hasn't had a single sack in 3 games!! I think BT can put some good pressure on big ben, and get a sack as well. [/b][/quote] Barton, are you friggin serious? :rolleyes: [/b][/quote] 50/50, I'm in alittle denial. but you have to admit, abe has had no sacks the last 3 games but has been GREAT at stuffing the run and applying pressure, QBs just have 4 eyes on him now I guess

12-06-2004, 07:43 PM	#17
JETFAN1 Bored Veteran Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 1,782	[quote][i]Originally posted by ErIcBaRtOn50+Dec 6 2004, 07:38 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>[b]QUOTE[/b] (ErIcBaRtOn50 @ Dec 6 2004, 07:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> [quote]Originally posted by JETFAN1@Dec 6 2004, 07:30 PM [b] <!--QuoteBegin-ErIcBaRtOn50[/i]@Dec 6 2004, 04:45 PM [b] good point. besides abraham hasn't had a single sack in 3 games!! I think BT can put some good pressure on big ben, and get a sack as well. [/b][/quote] Barton, are you friggin serious? :rolleyes: [/b][/quote] 50/50, I'm in alittle denial. but you have to admit, abe has had no sacks the last 3 games but has been GREAT at stuffing the run and applying pressure, QBs just have 4 eyes on him now I guess [/b][/quote] Thats what I figured barton, hopefully they can overcome not having him in the lineup.

12-06-2004, 07:47 PM	#18
djr44 hoping the best player on the jets, #24 gets back in camp. All Pro Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,333	BIG Loss losing JABE. He is the best defensive player on the team because he make the rest of his teamates better. Other teams are always doubling Abe which makes life easier for ellis, drob, fergy, and the lb's. That being said this defense has better players than last year where we should be able to overcome his loss. Coleman Barton Vilma D-rob is better fergy is better BTHomas is better Barret hobson or mark brown.. but the KEY is: MR ELLIS Donnie needs to call Ellis out....he just got paid like a superstar and we need him to play like a superstar.w/out JABE on the field. FOLKS get used to it becuase if im the jets i dont know if I give ABE the boatload of money he is looking for..he is injury prone and who knows if he hits the bottle the next few weeks becuase he is pissed he is not playing!!!! ELLIS...BE THE MAN!!!!!! DJR44

12-06-2004, 09:52 PM	#19
124 There's NO reason to delay the process. Start Geno Smith. All Pro Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 7,966	Abe's a great player / great DE, Top 5 in the NFL, there's no question about that. But I believe this is his 3rd injury in 5 years? C'mon Abe, STAY HEALTHY OR YOU WON'T GET THE BIG BUCKS!!!!

12-06-2004, 10:21 PM	#20
MrSFJFC Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Pembroke Pines, Florida Posts: 5,937	[quote][i]Originally posted by JetsFan3288[/i]@Dec 6 2004, 04:25 PM [b] say we do well without him which i hope to god we do.... and he stays out for 3 games or so... his market value will decrease and we will be able to sign him for a cheaper price than if he had kept on getting sacks... it will also be a good evaluation of BT [/b][/quote] With todays' modern medicine and the proper treatment plus rehabilitation, he won't be out for three weeks.