Knicks swing a deal - Page 2

Jet#24Eventually · 02-24-2005, 04:14 PM

Hopefully. Peter Warrick. Hes f***in awesome.

OneEyedWonder · 02-24-2005, 04:15 PM

the only problems i have with these moves is how quickly Isiah gave up on Nazr, considering he was the "key" in trading Van Horn last year.

those deals last year sent us right off the edge, Van Horn was playing great for us last year and we haven't been the same since....could be just a coincidence.

chad101 · 02-24-2005, 04:15 PM

Thomas is a disaster....our roster is a revolving mess. All three guys we traded today didn't Thomas aquire last year through trades?

Rose has 22 Mill coming to him. Watch Nazi on a winning organization.

From VanHorn deal on Thomas has not had a clue. If we are in rebuild mode, why did it take Thomas a year to make that decision?

I heard we get 2 #1's from San Antonio one being Pheonix's. Hopefully the draft is deep.

chad101 · 02-24-2005, 04:17 PM

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Originally posted by OneEyedWonder@Feb 24 2005, 04:15 PM
the only problems i have with these moves is how quickly Isiah gave up on Nazr, considering he was the "key" in trading Van Horn last year.

those deals last year sent us right off the edge, Van Horn was playing great for us last year and we haven't been the same since....could be just a coincidence.

Correct the team had great chemistry at the time yet Thomas told us you watch Nazi.....now Nazi is gone.

JacktheRipper · 02-24-2005, 04:23 PM

I didnt mind the Houston trade but the San Antonio trade just didnt make sense. Why would he trade the a decent center and take on a terrible contract just to get the last pick in the draft. That is just a brutal trade

JetsMan57 · 02-24-2005, 04:23 PM

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Originally posted by OneEyedWonder@Feb 24 2005, 04:15 PM

those deals last year sent us right off the edge, Van Horn was playing great for us last year and we haven't been the same since....could be just a coincidence.

Yes, but too bad Marbury had to "get" Van Horn.

The Sowell Train · 02-24-2005, 04:25 PM

This is basketball, not the name game!

Rose and Taylor play defense! They both come from the #1 and #2 defenses in the NBA in San Antonio and Houston. They were tought by Greg and Jeff Van Gundy. Nazr stinks and would never score if it werent for Marbury, he does nothing special.

We're over the cap either way and now have 3 first rounders.

JustysJets · 02-24-2005, 04:30 PM

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Originally posted by Jet#24Eventually@Feb 24 2005, 04:14 PM
Hopefully. Peter Warrick. Hes f***in awesome.

do you mean Hakim Warrick?

BrooklynBound · 02-24-2005, 04:35 PM

Late 1st don't mean much... the NBA might install an age limit in the future which would REALLY thin out the draft for a few years plus the contracts are guaranteed.

Jetsmaniac2 · 02-24-2005, 04:38 PM

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Originally posted by jetsfreak10@Feb 24 2005, 02:18 PM
Jesus...this is insane....Thomas is trying his very best to run this team into the ground. Unless im missing something, can someone please give me an "upside" to these deals?

upside is the 2 first round picks. that means 3 first round talents this year unless they are future picks. plus, honestly, its not like they were gonna win this year anyways. also, the only contributor they gave up was nazr mohammed.

DireJet38 · 02-24-2005, 04:48 PM

Hopefully they do trade up in the draft to get a big man. Preferably ANDREW BOGANS out of UTAH, this guy is a monster.

20.4 pts. per game 11.9 rebounds per game this year in college

14.8 pts. per game 8 rebounds per game on Australian National team in Greece.

DireJet38 · 02-24-2005, 04:50 PM

Correction to previous post: ANDREW BOGUT not BOGANS

rudajnwhat · 02-24-2005, 04:58 PM

isiah thomas is an idiot.....everyone who says hes a good gm just look at his past 5 trades they all make no sense whatsoever.......he was horrible in toronto........horrible in indiana and now is horrible with the knicks..........everyone said he was a good gm just becuase he made that trade for marbury......ask phoenix how that trade worked out for them

Knickerbocker · 02-24-2005, 05:17 PM

You guys are all huge ****ing morons if you think this trade is bad.

Idiots.

Isiah is a moron. This trade is brilliant though.

FoxboroFanatic · 02-24-2005, 05:30 PM

Hmmmmmmm...great move.

Tell me again why Larry Bird didn't want Thomas in Indiana? DOH!

:lol:

JetKoz · 02-24-2005, 05:33 PM

I really can not see how this was a good trade for the Knicks

Two low first rounders will probably be wasted on "projects" or something stupid

They have added even MORE salary, a lot more in the future

Sure they may have upgraded the team by sending a bunch of dead weight away, but who cares? They aren't going anywhere with what they have now.

That idiot Isiah needs to stop making trades all the time and let contracts expire, free up cap room, and sign some REAL players and not the revolving door of crapititude he has going on now.

Jason423 · 02-24-2005, 05:37 PM

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Originally posted by Ray Ray19@Feb 24 2005, 03:55 PM
We got rid of TRASH in Moochie Norris, Vin Baker, and Jamison Brewer, and that is a bad trade?

We still have pawns to deal this coming off -season in Hardaway, Tim Thomas, and Kurt Thomas, Tim and Penny are entering their final year of their contracts, that is where the salary money will be returned. We bring in Rose, is is a solid role player, and Mo Taylor, who is still young and brings a better post presence than any player on our roster other than maybe Sweetney, and he is still green.

AND, we get two first round picks.

The Knicks would have been close to being under the cap in two seasons when Hardaway, Baker, Mohammed, and Thomas all came off the books. They may have been able to trade Hardaway, Mohammed or Thomas during the course of the season to speed it up as well to a playoff contender. Its doubtful any of the remaining two can be dealt in the offseason and you need to trade them away for exception money anyway unless you want a new big contract to take their place. Now they picked up Malik Rose who is under contract until 2008 and Taylor through 2007 and they have no first rounder in next seasons draft(2006). I just dont see how this can be seen as a good move. Neither Rose nor Taylor are any good to help a team like the Knicks. These are guys who fill out a decent team not make a bad team good. And the odds are against the two draft picks, especially one with a chance to be last in the 1st round, amounting to anything in the NBA. The Knicks need to get out of this cycle of taking big contracts every year from teams that dont want these players. And you really have to wonder when good coaches are letting guys walk like this off contending teams.

EZV · 02-24-2005, 05:47 PM

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Originally posted by DireJet38@Feb 24 2005, 04:48 PM
Hopefully they do trade up in the draft to get a big man. Preferably ANDREW BOGANS out of UTAH, this guy is a monster.

20.4 pts. per game 11.9 rebounds per game this year in college

14.8 pts. per game 8 rebounds per game on Australian National team in Greece.

good call...but Bogut is a top 3 pick for sure, maybe even #1. We need an athletic small forward like Warrick, who could be around with our lottery pick

Here are some guys Id love to scoop late in the 1st round:

Kennedy Winston 6'6 SG Alabama
Johan Petro 7'0 19 year old France (not Frederic Weis, this kids for real)
Rashad McCants 6'3 SG North Carolina
Nate Robinson 5'8 PG Washington
Ryan Gomes 6'8 SF Providence

-inVINCEible- · 02-24-2005, 05:48 PM

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Originally posted by Jet#24Eventually@Feb 24 2005, 04:14 PM
Hopefully. Peter Warrick. Hes f***in awesome.

the football player on cinci?

are you referring to hakim warrick, the syracuse SF/PF?

MiamiJet · 02-24-2005, 05:54 PM

This is why people are upset with the deal.

Yes, the Knicks got good players in return, but they picked up $32 million dollars in contracts, not to mention Allan Houston and his gimp leg are still riding the pine, collecting and not contributing one iota.

What exactly are the Knicks doing? Seriously? They have the highest payroll in the league, and the team is below .500 in probably the weakest division in the NBA.

One word for you. DOLAN.

Dolan, ITT, etc have all had the same outlook. As long as you guys continue to buy tickets and show up for this mess, the Knicks and Rangers will blow. It's about trying to make the playoffs, win 50 games, not about rebuilding, which is what this team needs to do. They want the Garden filled, not empty, and are afraid of any prolonged losing.

Good luck, because things will be the same for a long time.....

02-24-2005, 04:14 PM	#21
Jet#24Eventually All League Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 596	Hopefully. Peter Warrick. Hes f***in awesome.

02-24-2005, 04:15 PM	#22
OneEyedWonder All League Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 927	the only problems i have with these moves is how quickly Isiah gave up on Nazr, considering he was the "key" in trading Van Horn last year. those deals last year sent us right off the edge, Van Horn was playing great for us last year and we haven't been the same since....could be just a coincidence.

02-24-2005, 04:15 PM	#23
chad101 Banned Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 3,463	Thomas is a disaster....our roster is a revolving mess. All three guys we traded today didn't Thomas aquire last year through trades? Rose has 22 Mill coming to him. Watch Nazi on a winning organization. From VanHorn deal on Thomas has not had a clue. If we are in rebuild mode, why did it take Thomas a year to make that decision? I heard we get 2 #1's from San Antonio one being Pheonix's. Hopefully the draft is deep.

02-24-2005, 04:23 PM	#25
JacktheRipper All Pro Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,441	I didnt mind the Houston trade but the San Antonio trade just didnt make sense. Why would he trade the a decent center and take on a terrible contract just to get the last pick in the draft. That is just a brutal trade

02-24-2005, 04:25 PM	#27
The Sowell Train All Pro Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 1,941	This is basketball, not the name game! Rose and Taylor play defense! They both come from the #1 and #2 defenses in the NBA in San Antonio and Houston. They were tought by Greg and Jeff Van Gundy. Nazr stinks and would never score if it werent for Marbury, he does nothing special. We're over the cap either way and now have 3 first rounders.

02-24-2005, 04:35 PM	#29
BrooklynBound Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 15,550	Late 1st don't mean much... the NBA might install an age limit in the future which would REALLY thin out the draft for a few years plus the contracts are guaranteed.

02-24-2005, 04:48 PM	#31
DireJet38 Veteran Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 468	Hopefully they do trade up in the draft to get a big man. Preferably ANDREW BOGANS out of UTAH, this guy is a monster. 20.4 pts. per game 11.9 rebounds per game this year in college 14.8 pts. per game 8 rebounds per game on Australian National team in Greece.

02-24-2005, 04:50 PM	#32
DireJet38 Veteran Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 468	Correction to previous post: ANDREW BOGUT not BOGANS

02-24-2005, 04:58 PM	#33
rudajnwhat All League Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 896	isiah thomas is an idiot.....everyone who says hes a good gm just look at his past 5 trades they all make no sense whatsoever.......he was horrible in toronto........horrible in indiana and now is horrible with the knicks..........everyone said he was a good gm just becuase he made that trade for marbury......ask phoenix how that trade worked out for them

02-24-2005, 05:17 PM	#34
Knickerbocker All League Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 958	You guys are all huge ****ing morons if you think this trade is bad. Idiots. Isiah is a moron. This trade is brilliant though.

02-24-2005, 05:30 PM	#35
FoxboroFanatic Veteran Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 227	Hmmmmmmm...great move. Tell me again why Larry Bird didn't want Thomas in Indiana? DOH! :lol:

02-24-2005, 05:33 PM	#36
JetKoz All League Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 935	I really can not see how this was a good trade for the Knicks Two low first rounders will probably be wasted on "projects" or something stupid They have added even MORE salary, a lot more in the future Sure they may have upgraded the team by sending a bunch of dead weight away, but who cares? They aren't going anywhere with what they have now. That idiot Isiah needs to stop making trades all the time and let contracts expire, free up cap room, and sign some REAL players and not the revolving door of crapititude he has going on now.

02-24-2005, 05:54 PM	#40
MiamiJet Hall Of Fame Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 3,292	This is why people are upset with the deal. Yes, the Knicks got good players in return, but they picked up $32 million dollars in contracts, not to mention Allan Houston and his gimp leg are still riding the pine, collecting and not contributing one iota. What exactly are the Knicks doing? Seriously? They have the highest payroll in the league, and the team is below .500 in probably the weakest division in the NBA. One word for you. DOLAN. Dolan, ITT, etc have all had the same outlook. As long as you guys continue to buy tickets and show up for this mess, the Knicks and Rangers will blow. It's about trying to make the playoffs, win 50 games, not about rebuilding, which is what this team needs to do. They want the Garden filled, not empty, and are afraid of any prolonged losing. Good luck, because things will be the same for a long time.....