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    Wonder if the mainstrem media will pursue this

    Wednesday, Nov. 16, 2005 12:15 p.m. EST
    New Documents Reveal Saddam Hid WMDs, Was Tied to Al Qaida

    Recently discovered Iraqi documents now being translated by U.S. intelligence analysts indicate that Saddam Hussein's government made extensive plans to hide Iraq's weapons of mass destruction before the U.S. invasion in March 2003 - and had deep ties to al Qaida before the 9/11 attacks.

    The explosive evidence was discovered among "millions of pages of documents" unearthed by the Iraq Survey Group weapons search team, reports the Weekly Standard's Stephen Hayes.

    In the magazine's Nov. 21 issue, Hayes reveals that the document cache now being examined contains "a thick stew of reports and findings from a variety of [Iraqi] intelligence agencies and military units."

    Though the Pentagon has so far declined to make the bombshell papers public, Hayes managed to obtain a list of titles on the reports.

    Documents include:

    Chemical Agent Purchase Orders (Dec. 2001)

    Formulas and information about Iraq's Chemical Weapons Agents

    Locations of Weapons/Ammunition Storage (with map)

    Denial and Deception of WMD and Killing of POWs

    Ricin research and improvement

    Chemical Gear for Fedayeen Saddam

    Memo from the [Iraqi Intelligence Service] to Hide Information from a U.N. Inspection team (1997)

    Iraq Ministry of Defense Calls for Investigation into why documents related to WMD were found by UN inspection team

    Correspondence between various Iraq organizations giving instructions to hide chemicals and equipment

    Correspondence from [Iraqi Intelligence Service] to [the Military Industrial Commission] regarding information gathered by foreign intelligence satellites on WMD (Dec. 2002) Cleaning chemical suits and how to hide chemicals

    [Iraqi Intelligence Service] plan of what to do during UNSCOM inspections (1996)

    Still other reports suggest that Iraq's ties to al Qaida were far deeper than previously known, featuring headlines like:

    Secret Meeting with Taliban Group Member and Iraqi Government (Nov. 2000)

    Document from Uday Hussein regarding Taliban activity

    Possible al Qaeda Terror Members in Iraq

    Iraqi Effort to Cooperate with Saudi Opposition Groups and Individuals

    Iraqi Intel report on Kurdish Activities: Mention of Kurdish Report on al Qaeda - reference to al Qaeda presence in Salman Pak

    [Iraqi Intelligence Service] report on Taliban-Iraq Connections Claims

    Money Transfers from Iraq to Afghanistan

    While the document titles sound stunning enough to turn the Iraq war debate on its head, Hayes cautions that it's hard to know for certain until the full text is available.

    It's possible, he writes, "that the 'Document from Uday Hussein regarding Taliban activity' was critical of one or another Taliban policies. But it's equally possible, given Uday's known role as a go-between for the Iraqi regime and al Qaeda, that something more nefarious was afoot."

    "What was discussed at the 'Secret Meeting with Taliban Group Member and Iraqi Government' in November 2000? It could be something innocuous. Maybe not. But it would be nice to know more."

    Hayes also notes that an additional treasure trove of evidence on Saddam Hussein's support for al Qaida may be lost forever.

    "When David Kay ran the Iraq Survey Group searching for weapons of mass destruction, he instructed his team to ignore anything not directly related to the regime's WMD efforts," he reports.

    "As a consequence, documents describing the regime's training and financing of terrorists were labeled 'No Intelligence Value' and often discarded, according to two sources."

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    Source please?

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    newsmax.com

    Of course libs will excuse it because it wasn't written by Dan Rather but I'd sure like to see this pursued.

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    The sourse is Stephen Hayes, Weekly Standard, who has also reported the finding of tons of uranium and other potential biological agents....in sworn testimony to congress David Kaye of the Iraqi Survey group did say Hussien was ready to active a potential nuclear weapons program to develop a nuclear warhead...that went unnoticed by the MSM...


    Bottom line is, if the evidence is in fact true as Hayes is reporting it is up to the WH to push it forcefully out there- something they have failed miserably at.

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    of course, as Pope elluded to, it probably won't matter to the MSM- they'd rather highlight claims of torture by a caring and credible enemy...

    the latest being the best; that is the two Iraqi's, backed by the ACLU, suing Donald Rumsfeld and the PEntagon for torture...part of the torture included being put into a cage near lions in one of Hussien's former palaces....problem is that part of the lawsuit has been dicredited as the lions were released by Hussien into the general public far before the American GI's got there.....

    Funny how the ACLU or human rights watch groups never went after Sadaam's son's for feeding their "preceived" enemies to the same lions as has been well documented by, believe it or not, the NY Slimes....

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    I read alot of things in that list and none of em sounded like "warehouses full of stockpiled WMD ready for use against the USA"

    documents and formulas and purchase orders and chemical gear and meetings... so what?

    none of those things are the same as a massive stockpile.

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY]of course, as Pope elluded to, it probably won't matter to the MSM- they'd rather highlight claims of torture by a caring and credible enemy...

    the latest being the best; that is the two Iraqi's, backed by the ACLU, suing Donald Rumsfeld and the PEntagon for torture...part of the torture included being put into a cage near lions in one of Hussien's former palaces....problem is that part of the lawsuit has been dicredited as the lions were released by Hussien into the general public far before the American GI's got there.....

    Funny how the ACLU or human rights watch groups never went after Sadaam's son's for feeding their "preceived" enemies to the same lions as has been well documented by, believe it or not, the NY Slimes....[/QUOTE]
    Hard to sue someone who has 500 bullet holes in them. Maybe they can dig up Sadaaam's sons and read them their rights. They have to go through the worms first. Or maybe they can just play the video tape of them dead on a table that the US put out there. And if you believe in the death penalty, what is the difference in this situation. They don't tell us how to handle our criminals, why should we have told them how to handle theirs.

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    And bit sets forth the perfect apologist excuse why libs and the MSM will ignore this. It doesnt fit with their preconceptions that Bush hates everyone, and the war in Iraq was wrong.

    Rather than explore the numerous leads provided here, they will pooh-pooh it- it's not massive enough, it doesnt prove anything, blah blah blah, they hate Bush, blah blah blah.

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    [QUOTE=bitonti]I read alot of things in that list and none of em sounded like "warehouses full of stockpiled WMD ready for use against the USA"

    documents and formulas and purchase orders and chemical gear and meetings... so what?

    none of those things are the same as a massive stockpile.[/QUOTE]


    Yah who cares they had ties to Al Qeada.
    Who cares they had chemical weapons, it wasn't a "massive stockpile". What exactly constitutes "massive" for you bit?
    The democrat talking points on this potential breakthrough have already been established by bit.

    Hilarious.

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    [QUOTE=pope]
    Who cares they had chemical weapons, it wasn't a "massive stockpile". What exactly constitutes "massive" for you bit?
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    read the list again there is no mention of actual chemical weapons in any quantity.

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    [QUOTE=bitonti]read the list again there is no mention of actual chemical weapons in any quantity.[/QUOTE]

    Chemical Agent Purchase Orders (Dec. 2001)

    Formulas and information about Iraq's Chemical Weapons Agents

    you're right those purchase orders were for 2 tons of cookie batter. :zzz:

    Also if you read this again "Hayes managed to obtain a list of titles on the reports" you'd undertstand that there's much more information that hasn't been released and that these points are just titles.
    Last edited by pope; 11-16-2005 at 02:57 PM.

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    Bush lied about WMD and should be impeached - it says so right on the label.

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    dude, you do realize that at the bottom of the laundry list you just posted it states very clearly "While the document titles sound stunning enough to turn the Iraq war debate on its head, Hayes cautions that it's hard to know for certain until the full text is available."...in other words, these very documents could very easily refute the claims made by the bush administration...

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    [QUOTE=deadringer]dude, you do realize that at the bottom of the laundry list you just posted it states very clearly "While the document titles sound stunning enough to turn the Iraq war debate on its head, Hayes cautions that it's hard to know for certain until the full text is available."...in other words, these very documents could very easily refute the claims made by the bush administration...[/QUOTE]

    Do you realize I stated that I'd like to see this pursued and not that it is fact?

    Run along Kool-Aid.

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    [QUOTE=bitonti]I read alot of things in that list and none of em sounded like "warehouses full of stockpiled WMD ready for use against the USA"

    documents and formulas and purchase orders and chemical gear and meetings... so what?

    none of those things are the same as a massive stockpile.[/QUOTE]

    It's called "Circumstantial Evidence", and given enough of it, you WILL be found Guilty in any court in America.

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    [QUOTE=pope]Do you realize I stated that I'd like to see this pursued and not that it is fact?

    Run along Kool-Aid.[/QUOTE]

    alright, and it will be pursued...but are you saying that the mainstream media should lead off the night by saying "The Weekly Standard has uncovered the titles of some documents pertaining to the war in Iraq. These documents may contain no new information, and may in fact refute the claims of the bush administration, but we just wanted to let you know they are there."?...

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    [QUOTE][B]Bottom line is, if the evidence is in fact true as Hayes is reporting it is up to the WH to push it forcefully out there- something they have failed miserably at.[/B][/QUOTE]


    The reason the WH does not push this is becuse they know the source is probably very shady. Stephen Hayes wrote an entire book using a leaked intelligence document as its premise that was later debunked by the department of defense. I wouldnt read too much into it.

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    [QUOTE=deadringer]alright, and it will be pursued...but are you saying that the mainstream media should lead off the night by saying "The Weekly Standard has uncovered the titles of some documents pertaining to the war in Iraq. These documents may contain no new information, and may in fact refute the claims of the bush administration, but we just wanted to let you know they are there."?...[/QUOTE]

    Not at all but just like the "Able Danger" story that was curiously never covered by the mainstream media hopefully this (IF TRUE) doesn't get dismissed either.

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    [QUOTE=kennyo7]The reason the WH does not push this is becuse they know the source is probably very shady. Stephen Hayes wrote an entire book using a leaked intelligence document as its premise that was later debunked by the department of defense. I wouldnt read too much into it.[/QUOTE]

    Or if you bother to read the article, the documents haven't yet been fully translated.
    :zzz:

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    [QUOTE=pope]Not at all but just like the "Able Danger" story that was curiously never covered by the mainstream media hopefully this (IF TRUE) doesn't get dismissed either.[/QUOTE]

    isnt that the story about identifying the hijackers prior to the attacks?...cause if i recall correctly that was reported fairly extensively...perhaps i'm thinking of a different story about identifying them though...in any event, i'm sure if a "smoking gun" document is found, it'll lead off the nightly news for a week...

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