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    I can see the NYT headlines:

    Bush Makes Up New "Evidence" for Iraq Quagmire


    so yes Virginia - it will be covered. :D

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    [QUOTE][B]Or if you bother to read the article, the documents haven't yet been fully translated.[/B[/QUOTE]]

    Yes I read the article. But all i was saying is not to take Hayes too serious. He has made bad mistakes before regarding intelligence that goes against what everyone else says in order to defend the war!

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    [QUOTE=pope] Chemical Agent Purchase Orders (Dec. 2001)

    Formulas and information about Iraq's Chemical Weapons Agents

    you're right those purchase orders were for 2 tons of cookie batter. :zzz:
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    Pope i think you are confused

    Bush said the war was about WMD: Weapons of Mass Destruction

    not

    MWD: Microsoft Word Documents

    :D

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    Bottom line is obviously the documents must be pursued until real evidence shows up. I'm sure Bush would love to have proof that the war was actually legit based on the premises of WMD. Until then noone is going to touch it.

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    [QUOTE=bitonti]I read alot of things in that list and none of em sounded like "warehouses full of stockpiled WMD ready for use against the USA"

    documents and formulas and purchase orders and chemical gear and meetings... so what?

    none of those things are the same as a massive stockpile.[/QUOTE]


    Read the whole article. It says we wait to see what the full translations of the contents say.

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    [QUOTE=deadringer]dude, you do realize that at the bottom of the laundry list you just posted it states very clearly "While the document titles sound stunning enough to turn the Iraq war debate on its head, Hayes cautions that it's hard to know for certain until the full text is available."...in other words, these very documents could very easily refute the claims made by the bush administration...[/QUOTE]



    BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Yes, it's POSSIBLE... but do you really think so? I mean I know that's some serious wishful thinking on your part, but do you really think so? It's funny how you'll twist ANYTHING that's potentially good for the WOT or for the Bush Administration and make it a negative. There's that objectivity again.

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    [QUOTE=Enrique Pallazzo]BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Yes, it's POSSIBLE... but do you really think so? I mean I know that's some serious wishful thinking on your part, but do you really think so? It's funny how you'll twist ANYTHING that's potentially good for the WOT or for the Bush Administration and make it a negative. There's that objectivity again.[/QUOTE]

    how is that twisting anything...when the contents of the documents are released we'll know whats going on...but frankly, dont read too much into the titles of these documents for your own good...for instance, take these two document titles
    • Chemical Agent Purchase Orders (Dec. 2001)

    • Formulas and information about Iraq's Chemical Weapons Agents
    the first document is dated dec. 2001, and may very well simply be the final report on the analysis of saddam's chemical weapons purchases by the Weapons inspectors (who actually did most of their work based on documents like purchase orders, bill of ladings, etc. to find out what weapons existed and where they were stored)...the other document could just as easily contain no new information, since it was nearly impossible for Iraq to import eggs under sanctions, let alone chemical weapons...i'm not rushing to judgement, but clearly you are...

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    [QUOTE=deadringer]how is that twisting anything...when the contents of the documents are released we'll know whats going on...but frankly, dont read too much into the titles of these documents for your own good...for instance, take these two document titles
    Chemical Agent Purchase Orders (Dec. 2001)

    Formulas and information about Iraq's Chemical Weapons Agents
    the first document is dated dec. 2001, and may very well simply be the final report on the analysis of saddam's chemical weapons purchases by the Weapons inspectors (who actually did most of their work based on documents like purchase orders, bill of ladings, etc. to find out what weapons existed and where they were stored)...the other document could just as easily contain no new information, since it was nearly impossible for Iraq to import eggs under sanctions, let alone chemical weapons...i'm not rushing to judgement, but clearly you are...[/QUOTE]

    UN inspectors were not in Iraq from 1998 through late 2002. Clearly, Saddam's interest in chemical wepaons was more than mere intellectual curiosity. People act as if he was just making cookies, or that the WMD issue is a complete lie invented by Bush.

    It's embarassing, the depths the anti-Bush people will go to perpetuate the "Bush Lied" myth. What is unbelievable is that many of these people voted to authorize this war, or voted for politicians who did. I cannot ever vote for the Democratic Party - they are children, not leaders.

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    [QUOTE=jets5ever]UN inspectors were not in Iraq from 1998 through late 2002. Clearly, Saddam's interest in chemical wepaons was more than mere intellectual curiosity. People act as if he was just making cookies, or that the WMD issue is a complete lie invented by Bush.

    It's embarassing, the depths the anti-Bush people will go to perpetuate the "Bush Lied" myth. What is unbelievable is that many of these people voted to authorize this war, or voted for politicians who did. I cannot ever vote for the Democratic Party - they are children, not leaders.[/QUOTE]

    Well said.

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    [QUOTE=jets5ever]UN inspectors were not in Iraq from 1998 through late 2002. Clearly, Saddam's interest in chemical wepaons was more than mere intellectual curiosity. People act as if he was just making cookies, or that the WMD issue is a complete lie invented by Bush.

    It's embarassing, the depths the anti-Bush people will go to perpetuate the "Bush Lied" myth. What is unbelievable is that many of these people voted to authorize this war, or voted for politicians who did. I cannot ever vote for the Democratic Party - they are children, not leaders.[/QUOTE]

    yes, and that doesnt mean that the report is based on new information...again, it was nearly impossible for iraq to purchase anything under sanctions, the us was conducting air raids on a nearly daily basis and most likely had hundreds of spies on the ground...if there were WMD, we would have found them now...

    not that it really matters anyway...the US had been at war with Iraq on a daily basis since shortly after the end of the original gulf war, be it by economic means or, more directly, constant air raids in the "no fly zones"...if bush is telling the truth, good for him, but it really doesnt make a lick of difference in terms of my opinion of this war...

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    [QUOTE=Enrique Pallazzo]Read the whole article. It says we wait to see what the full translations of the contents say.[/QUOTE]

    you guys won't believe this but I have a document right here at my desk that clearly states Jets5ever is planning to kill me.

    I mean cmon it's right here in black and white! It's a Microsoft Word Document people! It's not like someone could just write whatever they want... if it's in print on 8 and 1/2 by 11 paper then jeez - it's true!

    it's paper! what more do you want? PAPER! He's a threat to my way of life! im going to pre-emptively invade his house ASAP.

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    First, present it to the UN and let them investigate. After they arent allowed in to perform the proper inspections, and they get the runaround, and frustrate the hell out of you with their ineptness, take matters into your own hands.

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    [QUOTE=Jetcane]First, present it to the UN and let them investigate. After they arent allowed in to perform the proper inspections, and they get the runaround, and frustrate the hell out of you with their ineptness, take matters into your own hands.[/QUOTE]


    nah that's crazy. Prudence is for losers. i'd much rather rush into an invasion, destroy his house and then spend a couple decades rebuilding it brick by brick at great personal cost. When it's done it will be a bastion of everything I believe in, on his property, and he won't hate me anymore. That's much smarter.

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    [QUOTE=bitonti]nah that's crazy. Prudence is for losers. i'd much rather rush into an invasion, destroy his house and then spend a couple decades rebuilding it brick by brick at great personal cost. When it's done it will be a bastion of everything I believe in, on his property, and he won't hate me anymore. That's much smarter.[/QUOTE]

    Why not blame the Jews or corporations? That seems to work.

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    [QUOTE=jets5ever]Why not blame the Jews or corporations? That seems to work.[/QUOTE]

    since we are bringing up old statements for no reason why don't you go vote for Pat Buchanon... you killer! :D

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    [QUOTE=pope]Wednesday, Nov. 16, 2005 12:15 p.m. EST
    New Documents Reveal Saddam Hid WMDs, Was Tied to Al Qaida

    Recently discovered Iraqi documents now being translated by U.S. intelligence analysts indicate that Saddam Hussein's government made extensive plans to hide Iraq's weapons of mass destruction before the U.S. invasion in March 2003 - and had deep ties to al Qaida before the 9/11 attacks.

    The explosive evidence was discovered among "millions of pages of documents" unearthed by the Iraq Survey Group weapons search team, reports the Weekly Standard's Stephen Hayes.

    In the magazine's Nov. 21 issue, Hayes reveals that the document cache now being examined contains "a thick stew of reports and findings from a variety of [Iraqi] intelligence agencies and military units."

    Though the Pentagon has so far declined to make the bombshell papers public, Hayes managed to obtain a list of titles on the reports.

    Documents include:

    Chemical Agent Purchase Orders (Dec. 2001)

    Formulas and information about Iraq's Chemical Weapons Agents

    Locations of Weapons/Ammunition Storage (with map)

    Denial and Deception of WMD and Killing of POWs

    Ricin research and improvement

    Chemical Gear for Fedayeen Saddam

    Memo from the [Iraqi Intelligence Service] to Hide Information from a U.N. Inspection team (1997)

    Iraq Ministry of Defense Calls for Investigation into why documents related to WMD were found by UN inspection team

    Correspondence between various Iraq organizations giving instructions to hide chemicals and equipment

    Correspondence from [Iraqi Intelligence Service] to [the Military Industrial Commission] regarding information gathered by foreign intelligence satellites on WMD (Dec. 2002) Cleaning chemical suits and how to hide chemicals

    [Iraqi Intelligence Service] plan of what to do during UNSCOM inspections (1996)

    Still other reports suggest that Iraq's ties to al Qaida were far deeper than previously known, featuring headlines like:

    Secret Meeting with Taliban Group Member and Iraqi Government (Nov. 2000)

    Document from Uday Hussein regarding Taliban activity

    Possible al Qaeda Terror Members in Iraq

    Iraqi Effort to Cooperate with Saudi Opposition Groups and Individuals

    Iraqi Intel report on Kurdish Activities: Mention of Kurdish Report on al Qaeda - reference to al Qaeda presence in Salman Pak

    [Iraqi Intelligence Service] report on Taliban-Iraq Connections Claims

    Money Transfers from Iraq to Afghanistan

    While the document titles sound stunning enough to turn the Iraq war debate on its head, Hayes cautions that it's hard to know for certain until the full text is available.

    It's possible, he writes, "that the 'Document from Uday Hussein regarding Taliban activity' was critical of one or another Taliban policies. But it's equally possible, given Uday's known role as a go-between for the Iraqi regime and al Qaeda, that something more nefarious was afoot."

    "What was discussed at the 'Secret Meeting with Taliban Group Member and Iraqi Government' in November 2000? It could be something innocuous. Maybe not. But it would be nice to know more."

    Hayes also notes that an additional treasure trove of evidence on Saddam Hussein's support for al Qaida may be lost forever.

    "When David Kay ran the Iraq Survey Group searching for weapons of mass destruction, he instructed his team to ignore anything not directly related to the regime's WMD efforts," he reports.

    "As a consequence, documents describing the regime's training and financing of terrorists were labeled 'No Intelligence Value' and often discarded, according to two sources."[/QUOTE]


    Funny how it took 3 years for them to "discover" this load. I guess Rummy and his fellow band of lying ba.stards couldn't print and place these any faster.

    and you are [B]completely[/B] clueless if you think "mainstream media" is not a propaganda machine for the people in current control of the US government.

    see FOX NEWS for starters.

    For current proof do a Google search on "white phosphorus in Iraq" and notice how foreign news sources [and bloggers] knew about this for a year, but only this week our "mainstream" media was basically forced to do a -sound byte- on this.

    yes that's right, US troops used the worst CHEMICAL WEAPON out there on any Iraqi that got in their way last Nov. in Fallujah, about half being civilians.
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    [QUOTE=Kleckomania]Funny how it took 3 years for them to "discover" this load. I guess Rummy and his fellow band of lying ba.stards couldn't print and place these any faster.

    and you are [B]completely[/B] clueless if you think "mainstream media" is not a propaganda machine for the people in current control of the US government.

    see FOX NEWS for starters.

    For current proof do a Google search on "white phosphorus in Iraq" and notice how foreign news sources [and bloggers] knew about this for a year, but only this week our "mainstream" media was basically forced to do a -sound byte- on this.

    yes that's right, US troops used the worst CHEMICAL WEAPON out there on any Iraqi that got in their way last Nov. in Fallujah, about half being civilians.[/QUOTE]


    Are you kidding me with this?

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    [QUOTE=bitonti]you guys won't believe this but I have a document right here at my desk that clearly states Jets5ever is planning to kill me.

    I mean cmon it's right here in black and white! It's a Microsoft Word Document people! It's not like someone could just write whatever they want... if it's in print on 8 and 1/2 by 11 paper then jeez - it's true!

    it's paper! what more do you want? PAPER! He's a threat to my way of life! im going to pre-emptively invade his house ASAP.[/QUOTE]

    Come on, Bit... don't put yourself in the same class as Dead or Kenny. I would expect a pethetic response like this from them... not from you. you know this is absurd.

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    [QUOTE=jets5ever]Are you kidding me with this?[/QUOTE]
    Liberal talking point of the day is 'white phospherous'. That's from the Italian documentary (well covered here, I believe) turtleheading its way around sites like DU, crooksandliars, and anyplace where the transgendered are taken seriously. Those confused mumurs detected at these sites, similar to the muffled pangs heard on Fitzmas Friday, stem from Bob Woodward's shameless admissions that should squash the last hater hopes from the Plame Game. It's as if the great Democratic chef asked his waiters to "86 the Libby and push the white phospherous". Send it back.

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    [QUOTE=Enrique Pallazzo] you know this is absurd.[/QUOTE]

    sometimes absurdity warrents absurity. DOCUMENTS are not the same as a massive stockpile of WMD.

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