We are a terrible team. Our franchise is in shambles. We need to scrap this team and start over. The Jets have many needs but a new coach and GM is by far the most important right now.
I like Herm, but unless he has GREAT people around him, we're not winning anything. Terry Bradway has to go. All of our good players goto other teams and he hasn't drafted anyone great in 5 years.
Both sides of the ball are miserable right now. We need an big defensive tackle, an outside linebacker, a corner and Donnie Henderson to stop calling a Teddy C type game.
On offense we need everything.
I'd love to start over with the best offensive player in College Football, Reggie Bush.
But whatever we do, these players must go:
1. Ty Law - penalties, money and doesn't display veteran leadership.
2. Jason Fabini - its his fault every QB on our team was injured this year.
3. Doug Jolley - trash.
These players shouldn't be starting:
1. Hobson/Brown - good backups, not starters. The definition of non-impact players.
2. Justin McCariens - just doesn't have the hands to be the #2, maybe more suited for the slot.
3. Curtis Martin - I love him, but hes more suited for a backup role at this point in his career.
Now, we've had some serious injuries this season, so lets always remember that we're not really this terrible, but don't be fooled into thinking we'd be any good healthy either.
Cut the players that need to go and don't resign anyone over 30. They're too expensive for our plan. So if it means saying goodbye to Kevin Mawae, Jerald Sowell and whoever else is getting up there in age, so be it.
Ray Ray, we are not good. Our defense was supposed to be the strong point this year and they have been terrible. Where is Shawn Ellis? Where is Dewayne? What big plays have Vilma made?
On offense yes, we've had injuries but the goddam Chiefs shut us out for the first 55 minutes of that game. WE're not good, the sooner you realize that as an organization the sooner you begin the process of getting better.
[QUOTE=Ray Ray19]It's thread like these that make me ashamed to be a Jets fan.
Why are so many on this board so damn stupid?
We have now played 5 freaking QB's this year, only ONE OL'n is playing his original position, we have over 10 guys on IR.
HOW STUPID ARE YOU?
STOP PUTTING UP THESE BS THREADS AND LEARN THE DAMN GAME.[/QUOTE]
so what are you counting on next year, ray ray? do you think fabini will miraculously become decent again? that mawae, coming off an injury and getting up there in years, will return to his pro bowl form? that jay fiedler, who is probably the most promising qb option that we'll have, will lead us into the playoffs? that curtis martin will lead the league in rushing again? that coles and mccareins will be productive even if we don't have a decent qb?
Just ignore Ray. His act has gotten old. He calls you an idiot then goes into hiding when someone actually counters his senseless rambling. Personally, I think he's on a load of hippie drugs if he can't see the truth about how bad this team truly is.
We've broken out the elbow grease and put together a list of all potential free agents come 2006, if their current deals aren't extended.
This list contains only those guys whose contracts expire after the season, and not any players who could end up on the open market if released from current contracts, such as Terrell Owens.
The list is subject to change based on renegotiations and other transactions. Teams have until December 31 to re-sign current players and allocate a portion of the signing bonus to the 2005 salary cap.
Players with the designation "RFA" have completed three seasons and are subject to the restricted free agency rules.
New England: WR David Givens; G Stephen Neal; OT Tom Ashworth; WR Tim Dwight; WR Troy Brown; QB Doug Flutie; FB Heath Evans; RB Mike Cloud; WR Andre' Davis; TE Christian Fauria; S Michael Stone; LB Matt Chatham; CB Hank Poteat; LB Don Davis; K Adam Vinatieri; CB Chad Scott; WR Cedric James.
Miami: C Seth McKinney; FB Sammy Morris; OL Stocker McDougle; OL Alonzo Ephraim (RFA); QB Sage Rosenfels; WR Bryan Gilmore; RB Travis Minor; S Lance Schulters; LB Jason Glenn; S Yeremiah Bell (RFA); LB Nick Rogers; CB Kiwaukee Thomas; WR David Boston; WR Kendall Newson.
Buffalo: C Trey Teague; WR Sam Aiken (RFA); QB Shane Matthews; LB Angelo Crowell (RFA); CB Nate Clements; DE Ryan Denney; DT Justin Bannan; LB Mario Haggan (RFA); LB Josh Stamer (RFA); LS Mike Schneck; CB Kevin Thomas; DT Ron Edwards.
New York Jets: G Jonathan Goodwin; OT Scott Gragg; QB Vinny Testaverde; QB Kliff Kingsbury (RFA); DT James Reed; DE John Abraham; LB Kenyatta Wright; TE Chris Baker.
Pittsburgh: WR Antwaan Randle El; QB Charlie Batch; WR Quincy Morgan; OT Barrett Brooks; TE Jerame Tuman; WR Sean Morey; RB Verron Haynes; DE Kimo von Oelhoffen; CB Ike Taylor (RFA); S Chris Hope; CB DeShea Townsend; LB Brett Keisel; LB Clint Kriewaldt.
Cleveland: WR Antonio Bryant; OT L.J. Shelton; C Mike Pucillo; TE Aaron Shea; DE Orpheus Roye; LB Andra Davis; LB Ben Taylor; CB Leigh Bodden (RFA); DT Ethan Kelley (RFA); LB Orlando Ruff; CB Ray Mickens; P Kyle Richardson; S Antwan Harris.
Cincinnati: FB Jeremi Johnson (RFA); WR Kevin Walter (RFA); G Scott Kooistra (RFA); TE Matt Schobel; QB Jon Kitna; FB Nick Luchey; WR Kelley Washington (RFA); TE Tony Stewart; S Ifeanyi Ohalete; DE Carl Powell; LB Marcus Wilkins; S Anthony Mitchell; CB Reggie Myles; CB Rashad Bauman; LB Hannibal Navies; RB Kenny Watson; LB Nate Webster.
Baltimore: RB Jamal Lewis; WR Patrick Johnson; TE Randy Hymes; OT Tony Pashos (RFA); TE Darnell Dinkins;QB Anthony Wright; RB Ovie Mughelli (RFA); RB Chester Taylor; TE Daniel Wilcox (RFA); RB Musa Smith (RFA); TE Terry Jones; DE Anthony Weaver; DT Ma'ake Kemoeatu; LB Tommy Polley; LB Bart Scott; S Chad Williams; S Will Demps; DE Jarret Johnson (RFA); DT Aubrayo Franklin (RFA); CB Dale Carter; CB Deion Sanders; P Dave Zastudil; K Aaron Elling (RFA).
Indianapolis: WR Reggie Wayne; FB James Mungro; RB Edgerrin James; WR Troy Walters; WR Aaron Moorehead (RFA); DE Raheem Brock; LB David Thornton; LB Gary Brackett (RFA); LB Cato June (RFA); DT Larry Tripplett; DE Robert Mathis (RFA); LB Rob Morris; S Joseph Jefferson; S Gerome Sapp (RFA); LB Keith O'Neil (RFA); K Mike Vanderjagt; OT Makoa Freitas (RFA); LB Rocky Calmus; WR Brad Pyatt (RFA).
Jacksonville: G Vince Manuwai (RFA); OT Mike Pearson; C Dennis Norman; OT Ephraim Salaam; TE George Wrighster (RFA); WR Cortez Hankton (RFA); RB LaBrandon Toefield (RFA); LB Akin Ayodele; S Deke Cooper; CB Kenny Wright; DE Marcellus Wiley; DT Rob Meier; LB Tracy White (RFA); LB Tony Gilbert (RFA); CB Terry Cousin; LB Jamie Winborn.
Houston: WR Corey Bradford; WR Jabar Gaffney; WR Derick Armstrong (RFA); OT Seth Wand (RFA); G Fred Weary; G Milford Brown; OT Victor Riley; TE Matt Murphy; RB Jonathan Wells; QB Dave Ragone (RFA); LB Shantee Orr (RFA); LB Dashon Polk; LB Antwan Peek (RFA); LB Frank Chamberlin; LB Troy Evans; CB Jason Bell; S Ramon Walker; LS Bryan Pittman (RFA).
Tennessee: C Justin Hartwig; DE Kyle Vanden Bosch; LB Brad Kassell; S Tank Williams; LB Rocky Boiman; S Donnie Nickey (RFA); CB Tony Beckham; LS Jon Dorenbos (RFA).
Denver: WR Charlie Adams (RFA); RB Ron Dayne; DT Monsanto Pope; DT Demtrin Veal (RFA); LB Patrick Chukwurah; LB Keith Burns; S Sam Brandon; DE Marco Coleman; TE/LS Mike Leach.
Oakland: OT Chad Slaughter; G Corey Hulsey; TE Zeron Flemister; RB Omar Easy; WR Randal Williams; LB Grant Irons; S Jarrod Cooper; DT Terdell Sands; DT Edward Jasper; LB DeLawrence Grant; LB Tim Johnson; CB Reynaldo Hill; S Reggie Tongue; CB Charles Woodson; DT Kenny Smith.
Kansas City: WR Chris Horn (RFA); OT Jordan Black (RFA); FB Tony Richardson; WR Marc Boerigter; QB Todd Collins; QB Damon Huard; DT Lional Dalton; DE Jimmy Wilkerson (RFA); DE Carlos Hall; CB DeWayne Washington; TE/LS Kendall Gammon.
San Diego: G Kris Dielman (RFA); QB Drew Brees; WR Reche Caldwell; WR Kassim Osgood (RFA); G Bob Hallen; TE Justin Peelle; FB Andrew Pinnock (RFA); DE DeQuincy Scott; DE Jacques Cesaire (RFA); LB Ben Leber; LB Matt Wilhelm (RFA); LB Stephen Cooper (RFA); CB Jamar Fletcher; S Clinton Hart (RFA); LB Carlos Polk; OT Courtney Van Buren (RFA).
Dallas: OT Torrin Tucker (RFA); WR Peerless Price; OT Ethan Brooks; TE Dan Campbell; LB Scott Fujita; S Keith Davis (RFA); LB Scott Shanle (RFA); LB Eric Ogbogu; S Willie Pile (RFA); S Lynn Scott; DT Willie Blade.
Philadelphia: T Jon Runyan; WR Darnerian McCants; RB Lamar Gordon; TE Chad Lewis; RB Reno Mahe (RFA); DE N.D. Kalu; LB Keith Adams; DE Juqua Thomas; LB Zeke Moreno; S Quintin Mikell (RFA); CB Roderick Hood (RFA); K Jose Cortez; P Dirk Johnson (RFA).
Washington: TE Robert Royal; G Ray Brown; TE Brian Kozlowski; RB Rock Cartwright; S Ryan Clark; DT Cedric Killings (RFA); DE Demetric Evans; LB Khary Campbell; LB Warrick Holdman; S Omar Stoutmire; CB Ade Jimoh (RFA); LS Ethan Albright.
New York Giants: WR Tim Carter; WR David Tyree (RFA); OT Bob Whitfield; TE Visanthe Shiancoe (RFA); QB Tim Hasselbeck; WR Willie Ponder (RFA); TE Sean Berton (RFA); RB Chad Morton; DT Kendrick Clancy; LB Nick Greisen; CB Will Allen; DT Kenderick Allen (RFA); CB Frank Walker (RFA).
Minnesota: WR Nate Burleson (RFA); C Melvin Fowler; RB Michael Bennett; WR Koren Robinson; G Toniu Fonoti; C Cory Withrow; QB Shaun Hill; RB Moe Williams; LB Keith Newman; LB Sam Cowart; S Corey Chavous; CB Brian Williams; DE Lance Johnstone; CB Ralph Brown; LB Raonall Smith; K Paul Edinger; S Willie Offord.
Chicago: G Terrence Metcalf; OT John St. Clair; C Roberto Garza; TE John Gilmore; QB Jeff Blake; TE Gabe Reid (RFA); LB Hunter Hillenmeyer (RFA); CB Jerry Azumah; LB Marcus Reese (RFA).
Detroit: OT Jeff Backus; G Kyle Kosier; C Brock Gutierrez; G Tyrone Hopson; TE Casey Fitzsimmons (RFA); QB Jeff Garcia; FB Paul Smith; RB Shawn Bryson; WR Troy Edwards; RB Artose Pinner (RFA); DE Cory Redding (RFA); LB Earl Holmes; LB James Davis (RFA); CB Andre' Goodman; S Terrence Holt (RFA); CB R.W. McQuarters; DE Jared DeVries; DE Kalimba Edwards; LB Wali Rainer; S Bracy Walker; S Vernon Fox; LB Nate Wayne; WR Kevin Johnson.
Green Bay: C Mike Flanagan; FB William Henderon; G Grey Ruegamer; OT Kevin Barry; QB Craig Nall; RB Tony Fisher; DE Aaron Kampman; DT Grady Jackson; DE Kenny Peterson (RFA); LB Paris Lenon; K Ryan Longwell; LS Rob Davis; RB Najeh Davenport; RB Ahman Green; S Earl Little.
Carolina: C Jeff Mitchell; G Tutan Reyes; RB Ricky Proehl; WR Rod Gardner; OT Todd Fordham; QB Chris Weinke; RB DeShaun Foster; TE Mike Seidman (RFA); LB Will Witherspoon; S Marlon McCree; DT Kindal Moorehead (RFA); DE Kemp Rasmussen; LB Vinny Ciurciu (RFA); CB Dante Wesley; S Idrees Bashir; CB Ricky Manning (RFA); P Jason Baker; S Colin Branch (RFA); OL Matt Hill.
New Orleans: C LeCharles Bentley; G Montrae Holland (RFA); WR Az-Zahir Hakim; TE Zach Hilton (RFA); RB Antowain Smith; TE Lamont Hall; FB Fred McAfee; RB Anthony Thomas; DE Willie Whitehead; DE Darren Howard; LB Sedrick Hodge; LB Ronald McKinnon; CB Fakhir Brown; LB T.J. Slaughter; S Mel Mitchell; LB James Allen; WR Michael Lewis.
Tampa Bay: G Sean Mahan (RFA); QB Chris Simms (RFA); WR Ike Hilliard; WR Edell Shepherd (RFA); OT Todd Steussie; FB Jameel Cook; TE Dave Moore; DT Chris Hovan; S Dexter Jackson; CB Torrie Cox (RFA); CB Juran Bolden; K Matt Bryant.
Atlanta: OT Kevin Shaffer; WR Dez White; C Austin King (RFA); OT Barry Stokes; FB Fred McCrary; WR Jerome Pathon; QB Ty Detmer; S Keion Carpenter; DE Antwan Lake; LB Artie Ulmer; S Ronnie Heard; S Kevin McCadam; S Antuan Edwards; S Omare Lowe; K Todd Peterson; LB Erik Flowers.
Arizona: G Reggie Wells (RFA); QB Kurt Warner; FB Obafemi Ayanbadejo; OL Adam Haayer; QB Josh McCown; FB Jarrod Baxter; WR J.J. Moses (RFA); WR Reggie Swinton; TE Teyo Johnson (RFA); FB Harold Morrow; RB James Jackson; DE Ross Kolodziej; DE Antonio Cochran; CB Robert Tate; DE R-Kal Truluck; S Quentin Harris; CB Raymond Walls; OL Ian Allen; OL Billy Conaty; DT Russell Davis; LB Gerald Hayes (RFA); DE Kenny King (RFA); DT Langston Moore (RFA); RB J.R. Redmond.
St. Louis: C Andy McCollum; TE Brandon Manumaleuna; WR Shaun McDonald (RFA); WR Kevin Curtis (RFA); G Tom Nutten; OT Rex Tucker; TE Cameron Cleeland; QB Jamie Martin; RB Arlen Harris (RFA); RB Aveion Cason; RB David Allen (RFA); DT Ryan Pickett; CB DeJuan Groce (RFA); S Adam Archuleta; S Mike Furrey (RFA); DE Tyoka Jackson; DT Damione Lewis; DE Brandon Green (RFA); LB Trev Faulk; CB Corey Ivy; CB Chris Johnson (RFA); CB Terry Fair; P Bryan Barker; FB Chris Massey; TE Roland Williams.
Seattle: WR Joe Jurevicius; G Steve Hutchinson; FB Mack Strong; RB Shaun Alexander; WR Peter Warrick; OT Wayne Hunter (RFA); TE Ryan Hannam; QB Seneca Wallace (RFA); RB Maurice Morris; S Marquand Manuel; DE Rodney Bailey; DT Rocky Bernard; DE Joe Tafoya; LB Kevin Bentley; S John Howell; CB Jimmy Williams; P Tom Rouen; K Josh Brown (RFA); CB Kevin House; WR Jerheme Urban (RFA).
San Francisco: WR Arnaz Battle (RFA); WR Brandon Lloyd (RFA); OT Anthony Clement; FB Fred Beasley; TE Trent Smith (RFA); QB Ken Dorsey (RFA); FB Chris Hetherington; WR Jason McAddley; RB Steve Bush; QB Jesse Palmer; LB Julian Peterson; LB Brandon Moore; LB Derek Smith; DE Travis Hall; CB Willie Middlebrooks; K Joe Nedney.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=nhhesq]the pats have had as many injuries, but remain competitive and in first place. it is plain to see, the coaches , players arent any good. an overhaul is def needed.[/QUOTE]
they didnt loose tom brady or his 3 backups. if u take brady from that team, they are nothing. you can tell me that penny isnt a great QB and thats true but he was our leader and when he got hurt our whole team took a huge blow.
[QUOTE=Vilma4Prez]they didnt loose tom brady or his 3 backups. if u take brady from that team, they are nothing. you can tell me that penny isnt a great QB and thats true but he was our leader and when he got hurt our whole team took a huge blow.[/QUOTE]
there is NO excuse for losing like this. NONE...NEVER...this is pathetic football.
[QUOTE=nhhesq]there is NO excuse for losing like this. NONE...NEVER...this is pathetic football.
this is KOTITE football.[/QUOTE]
so you think if we had a healthy team we still would have lost by the same score and all. even with a healthy team i didnt expect us to win this game, but it would be a hell of a lot closer
[QUOTE=Vilma4Prez]so you think if we had a healthy team we still would have lost by the same score and all. even with a healthy team i didnt expect us to win this game, but it would be a hell of a lot closer[/QUOTE]
i mean, that a truly professionally coached team, even if it has injuries, does not lose this pathetically.....NEVER!!!
No doubt injuries are a big problem this year, but our offense is old anyway, our run was supposed to be this year.
You can't say we don't need to rebuild just because we had injuries.
As for Tinstar, yes we need o-line but we also need a playmaker on offense. We have no player that scares opposing defenses. With our highest pick we should take a playmaker then turn towards the offensive line rounds 2-7 and sign some help in free agency.
[QUOTE=CarlSpackler]No doubt injuries are a big problem this year, but our offense is old anyway, our run was supposed to be this year.
You can't say we don't need to rebuild just because we had injuries.
As for Tinstar, yes we need o-line but we also need a playmaker on offense. We have no player that scares opposing defenses. With our highest pick we should take a playmaker then turn towards the offensive line rounds 2-7 and sign some help in free agency.[/QUOTE]
we dont need to "rebuild" we just need to bring in 2-3 playmakers on D. A Superstar on the O, either a RB, WR, or QB, and retool the O line.