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    Jazeera fury over 'U.S. bomb' memo

    [QUOTE]Jazeera fury over 'U.S. bomb' memo

    Thursday, November 24, 2005; Posted: 12:32 p.m. EST (17:32 GMT)

    Al-Jazeera employees protest at the channel's headquarters in Doha.
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    Men and women stood outside Al-Jazeera's Doha, Qatar offices on Thursday holding signs in Arabic and in English, one reading "Don't bomb the messenger." Another sign read "Hostage of Truth" over a photo of Sami al-Hajj, an Al-Jazeera cameraman imprisoned at the U.S. military facility in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

    Al-Hajj was detained in Afghanistan, and the network has been asking for his release.

    Employees staged similar protests at bureaus in Cairo, Beirut, and Ramallah, with banners condemning U.S. President George Bush.

    The protests are a reaction to London's Daily Mirror report on Tuesday that offered details of a supposed secret memo that the tabloid said recounted discussions between Prime Minister Tony Blair and Bush about bombing Al-Jazeera's headquarters in Qatar -- a U.S. ally.

    The paper reported that Blair talked Bush out of launching the airstrike against the network during an April 16, 2004, meeting at the White House. The White House called the report "outlandish," but Al-Jazeera called on the British government to either confirm or deny the report.

    The Arabic-language network has been a frequent target of U.S. criticism and its facilities have been hit by U.S. bombs in both Afghanistan and Iraq. The Baghdad strike killed one journalist working for the network. If true, the Mirror report "would cast serious doubts" on U.S. statements that the strikes were accidental, the network said.

    The network's employees are demanding investigations into the bombings and an urgent meeting between Blair and the editors-in-chief of major media outlets in London, including Al-Jazeera.

    Britain has refused comment on the matter because two men face trial under Britain's Official Secrets Act in connection with release of the memo.

    On Wednesday, Britain's attorney general's office warned news organizations not to publish details of the memo to insure the case against the two men proceeds "without prejudice." (Full story)

    The Mirror reported that Bush was angered by Al-Jazeera's coverage of the April 2004 uprising in the western Iraqi city of Falluja, where U.S. Marines were dispatched to restore order after four American security guards had been killed and mutilated by insurgents. Blair talked him out of the idea of bombing the network's headquarters, the tabloid reported.

    A White House official told CNN: "We are not going to dignify something so outlandish with a response." And a Pentagon official called the Daily Mirror report "absolutely absurd."

    Speaking from Doha, Al-Jazeera's Editor-in-Chief Ahmed al-Sheikh Thursday called for an end to what he described as a "campaign against Al-Jazeera."

    "If this alleged claim turns out to be true, then this is frightening," al-Sheikh told CNN. "It is time for them (the Bush administration) to re-think their attitude towards us and we are ready to cooperate with them.

    "This negative attitude towards us has to stop. You have to believe that if indeed Bush planned to bomb Al-Jazeera, then this is a frightening proposition."

    Al-Jazeera's Web site Thursday had a graphic on its main page with images of a bald eagle, a U.S. flag and the Al-Jazeera logo partially covered by a target with a dark background.

    CNN Senior Arab Affairs Editor Octavia Nasr contributed to this report.[/QUOTE]

    Al-Jazeera is nothing more than the disinformation and propaganda division of Islamo-Facist Extremism, and proponents of World Terrorism.

    As any other LEGITIMATE Millitary target, they SHOULD have been bombed, banned from ALL U.S. territory, and killed-on-sight.

    Will we EVER see the light? See that you cannot win a war with softness, understanding, and weakness??

    Our enemies are free to cut the heads off American Reporters (to whcih Al-J will applaud, broadcast the pics, and editorialize as a great thing). Yet we.......we are soft.

    And soft peoples always lose in the end.

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    I really didn't think you were this hardcore WF - but I do agree. AJ doesn't even pretend to be impartial....

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    [QUOTE=Warfish]Al-Jazeera is nothing more than the disinformation and propaganda division of Islamo-Facist Extremism, and proponents of World Terrorism.

    [B]As any other LEGITIMATE Millitary target, they SHOULD have been bombed, banned from ALL U.S. territory, and killed-on-sight.[/B]
    Will we EVER see the light? See that you cannot win a war with softness, understanding, and weakness??

    Our enemies are free to cut the heads off American Reporters (to whcih Al-J will applaud, broadcast the pics, and editorialize as a great thing). Yet we.......we are soft.

    [B]And soft peoples always lose in the end[/B].[/QUOTE]

    Legitimate? Slippery slope here. Why doesn't the U.S. go after all media who doesn't always agree with us.
    Soft like you belly?

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    [QUOTE=cr726]Legitimate? Slippery slope here. Why doesn't the U.S. go after all media who doesn't always agree with us.
    Soft like you belly?[/QUOTE]

    Moron.

    OUR Bill of Rights covers US, OUR Citizens, OUR peoiple, OUR life and liberty, and OUR Media.

    I.e. NOT the rights, life, or media of our enemies, those who wish to see us destroyed.

    Damn right they are a LEGITIATE Millitary target. They are an active propaganda arm of terrorism, Islamo-Facism and Evil, pure and simple.

    CR, they would ENJOY seeing YOU having your head slowly sawed from your body as you lie prostate, screaming that this "Wasn't my war".

    They would REVEL in it. And proclaim it jutified, honorable, rightious. Your innocence would be immaterial.

    Yep, you screaming, then gurrgling, the simply bucking until you fell still, deader than dog****e.

    And A.J. would happily broadcast EVERY SECOND of it, praising it all the way.

    Our (i.e. Western Civilization) Media has many many many flaws, I freely admit. However, to try to lump AJ in with ABC is wrong, period.

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    what's the point of bombing a media outlet into smithereens?

    Seriously. You can bomb these people and the people who follow them into oblivion it won't change their opinion of the USA. In fact it would probably just enforce what they already believe... that we are chronically meddling in affairs that are none of our business, with total disregard for human life.

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    Fox News = Disinformation and Propaganda division of the Bush Adminstration

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    [QUOTE][B]Fox News = Disinformation and Propaganda division of the Bush Adminstration[/B][/QUOTE]

    How True!
    So I guess based on Fish's logic, that makes FOX a legitimate target for the Iraqi Insurgency/Rebellion.

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    [QUOTE=Warfish]Al-Jazeera is nothing more than the disinformation and propaganda division of Islamo-Facist Extremism, and proponents of World Terrorism.

    As any other LEGITIMATE Millitary target, they SHOULD have been bombed, banned from ALL U.S. territory, and killed-on-sight.

    Will we EVER see the light? See that you cannot win a war with softness, understanding, and weakness??

    Our enemies are free to cut the heads off American Reporters (to whcih Al-J will applaud, broadcast the pics, and editorialize as a great thing). Yet we.......we are soft.

    And soft peoples always lose in the end.[/QUOTE]

    fish you speak arabic?...you get arabsat networks?...hell, you even go to al-jazeera's english language website?

    if the answer to any of these questions is no, than i'd highly recommend you stop advocating the bombing of news services, unless you'd consider the bombing of fox news by another nation as a "legitimate military target", it being the propaganda arm of the bush administration...

    if the answer is yes, than, well, you still shouldn't be advocating the murder of journalists...but can you teach me arabic?

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    Say what you want about them but Al Jazeera (sp?) gets some really scoop worthy information. Stuff that is very news worthy gets passed onto them that would never be given to western news outlets.

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    [QUOTE][B]what's the point of bombing a media outlet into smithereens?

    Seriously. You can bomb these people and the people who follow them into oblivion it won't change their opinion of the USA. In fact it would probably just enforce what they already believe... that we are chronically meddling in affairs that are none of our business, with total disregard for human life.[/B][/QUOTE]


    Bit you hit this right on target. First off let me say that this story is full of holes. Im not sure how much truth there is to it. However if it is true then this is truly a dispicable thing. For a nation who supposedly is trying to spread democracy in the Middle East to try to silence opposing views by targeting the media (using military force no less) is hypocritical. It will only provide confirmation to those in the ME who consider us as being unjust and meddling in their affairs for our benefit. Now [I]that[/I] is [U]really[/U] bringing comfort and aid to our enemies!


    [QUOTE][B]Our enemies are free to cut the heads off American Reporters (to whcih Al-J will applaud, broadcast the pics, and editorialize as a great thing). Yet we.......we are soft.[/B][/QUOTE]

    First off, al-Jazeera has NOT applauded any beheadings. I challenge you to prove otherwise. Secondly access to the beheading videos is accessable by US internet outlets as well. There was only 1 US reporter beheaded by terrorists not repoter(s) and that was in Pakistan (our buddies).


    [QUOTE][B]Will we EVER see the light? See that you cannot win a war with softness, understanding, and weakness??[/B][/QUOTE]

    When will you see the light and realize that the terrorists are acting based on ideals/thoughts that can not be defeated by military strength. The UK and Israel have realized that after decades while managing their terrorism , why cant we.

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    It's comical how the rats get so up in arms over a news station which portrays the rest of the media for the biased-liberal\lying mouthpieces they've always been.......

    of course [B]C[/B]ommie [B]N[/B]ew [B]N[/B]etwork, See BS, Newsweak and the NY Slimes are all credible news organizations which would never lie, sensationalize nor are media outlets with agendas....

    Then again they need to disguise liberal-biased news coverage under the cloak of "MSM" as the rats have seen what a failure outlets like NPR and Err America radio have been....

    [QUOTE=deadringer]fish you speak arabic?...you get arabsat networks?...hell, you even go to al-jazeera's english language website?

    if the answer to any of these questions is no, than i'd highly recommend you stop advocating the bombing of news services, unless you'd consider the bombing of fox news by another nation as a "legitimate military target", it being the propaganda arm of the bush administration...

    if the answer is yes, than, well, you still shouldn't be advocating the murder of journalists...but can you teach me arabic?[/QUOTE]

    I have.....

    Their website is comical...when Nic Berg was beheaded they tried to justify it on their website by saying "American soilder beheaded in Iraq"...a story I posted on this site...and while I don't watch news station itself I do watch their recaps on Link television...

    It is a terrorist aligned media network and what you call "advocating the murder of journalist" most would consider the killing of terrorist accomplices...
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    of course just like hypocritical rat politicians, the lib-MSM does not remember what they report from one moment to the next....

    The New York Times

    November 5, 1998, Thursday, Late Edition - Final

    SECTION: Section A; Page 1; Column 2; Foreign Desk

    [B]SAUDI IS INDICTED IN BOMB ATTACKS ON U.S. EMBASSIES [/B]

    By BENJAMIN WEISER

    A Federal grand jury in Manhattan returned a 238-count indictment yesterday charging the Saudi exile Osama bin Laden in the bombings of two United States Embassies in Africa in August and with conspiring to commit other acts of terrorism against Americans abroad.

    Government officials immediately announced that they were offering two rewards of $5 million each for information leading to the arrest or conviction of Mr. bin Laden and another man charged yesterday, Muhammad Atef, who was described as Mr. bin Laden's chief military commander.

    Mr. bin Laden is believed to be living in Afghanistan under the protection of the Taliban, the Islamic fundamentalist movement that rules that country.

    Mr. Atef's whereabouts are unknown.

    It is uncertain whether Mr. bin Laden will ever stand trial in the United States. But if he does, prosecutors said, he could face life in prison or the death penalty if he is convicted. Prosecutors also unsealed an earlier indictment, issued in June, that included similar but less detailed charges against Mr. bin Laden.

    That indictment was returned before the embassy bombings and resulted from a two-year grand jury investigation of his activities in Somalia and Saudi Arabia, as well as reports that he had connections to a circle of Islamic militants in Brooklyn.

    [B]The new indictment, which supersedes the June action, accuses Mr. bin Laden of leading a vast terrorist conspiracy from 1989 to the present, in which he is said to have been working in concert with governments, including those of Sudan, Iraq and Iran, and terrorist groups to build weapons and attack American military installations. Excerpts, page A8. [/B]

    But the indictment gives few details of Mr. bin Laden's alleged involvement in the embassy attacks. The indictment does not, for example, specify whether prosecutors have evidence that Mr. bin Laden gave direct orders to those who carried out the attacks.

    Nothing in the document indicates why the original indictment was kept secret for months. But the secret charges were returned about the time that American officials were plotting a possible military attack into Afghanistan to arrest Mr. bin Laden.

    Mary Jo White, the United States Attorney in Manhattan, said, "It's very common to have sealed indictments when you're trying to apprehend those who are indicted."

    [B]Both indictments offer new information about Mr. bin Laden's operations, including one deal he is said to have struck with Iraq to cooperate in the development of weapons in return for Mr. bin Laden's agreeing not to work against that country.[/B]

    No details were given about whether the alleged deal with Iraq led to the development of actual weapons for Mr. bin Laden's group, which is called Al Qaeda.

    The Government said yesterday that Mr. bin Laden's group had made use of private relief groups "as conduits for transmitting funds" for Al Qaeda.

    The groups were not identified.

    Prosecutors also said Mr. bin Laden's group had conducted internal investigations of its members and their associates, trying to detect who might be acting as informants, and had killed those who had been suspected of collaborating with enemies of the organization.

    The Government indicated earlier that its knowledge of Mr. bin Laden's activities stemmed in part from the cooperation of one such informant, who it said yesterday had worked for Mr. bin Laden, transporting weapons to terrorists, helping to buy land for his training camps and assisting in running his finances.

    The June indictment against Mr. bin Laden suggested that the Government had a considerable amount of knowledge of his dealings in the months before the attacks on the embassies, one in Tanzania and one in Kenya.

    But the new charges are an indication of how quickly the Government has worked to solve the embassy attacks, which occurred just three months ago.

    Ms. White said that Mr. bin Laden was charged with "plotting and carrying out the most heinous acts of international terrorism and murder."

    Citing the more than 250 people killed in the embassy attacks and the more than 1,000 wounded, she added, "In a greater sense, all of the citizens of the world are also victims whenever and wherever the cruel and cowardly acts of international terrorism strike."

    The investigation of Mr. bin Laden is continuing, said Ms. White and Lewis D. Schiliro, assistant director of the F.B.I. in New York, whose agents have fanned out around the world to investigate the embassy attacks.

    "Our investigative strategy is clear," Mr. Schiliro said.

    "We will identify, locate and prosecute all those responsible, right up the line, from those who constructed and delivered the bombs to those who paid for them and ordered it done."

    In charging Mr. Atef, the Government reported new details about what it called his role as Mr. bin Laden's military commander, referring to his "principal responsibility for the training of Al Qaeda members."

    Mr. Atef was a member of a committee under Mr. bin Laden that approved all terrorist actions by Al Qaeda, the indictment said, and he also played a major role in coordinating attacks on United States and United Nations troops in Somalia in October 1993.

    In those attacks, 18 American soldiers and hundreds of Somalis were killed. Americans were shocked by the images of the body of one of the Americans being dragged through the streets, and the violence provoked a furor over the United States role in Somalia as part of the United Nations effort to pacify the country and supply food and medicine to the Somalis.

    At the time, the battle was seen as one with Somali warlords. But yesterday's charges made clear that the Government now contends that Mr. bin Laden had a critical role in instigating the fighting.

    In late 1992 and 1993, when Mr. bin Laden's group was based in Sudan, Mr. Atef went to Somalia to determine "how best to cause violence to the United States and United Nations military forces stationed there," and reported back to Mr. bin Laden at his headquarters in Khartoum, Sudan's capital, the indictment said.

    Prosecutors said that in the spring of 1993, Mr. Atef and other members of Al Qaeda, including Haroun Fazil and Mohammed Saddiq Odeh, both of whom have been charged in the embassy attacks, traveled to Somalia and trained Somalis opposed to the United Nation's intervention. On Oct. 3 and 4, 1993, in Mogadishu, Somalia's capital, Somali soldiers trained by Al Qaeda took part in the attacks on the soldiers, according to the June 10 indictment that was unsealed yesterday.
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    so what you have here is a report in the Slimes in which a federal indictment under the auspices of Janet Reno\Billy BJ have connected bin laden with countries such as...oh, I don't know...Iraq- little fact the rats and their henchmen at NBC\See BS\ABC\CNN\NY Slimes forgot all about.....

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    Thanks CBNY

    After reading your article , Now Im convinced. Saddam and OBL were working together. Man you just showed America the smoking gun it was looking for! There is no further doubt.

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    [QUOTE=kennyo7]How True!
    So I guess based on Fish's logic, that makes FOX a legitimate target for the Iraqi Insurgency/Rebellion.[/QUOTE]

    Yuk it up all you wish Traitor. Fact is, our Islamo-Facist enemies have ALREADY shown who and what they find to be "legitimate" targets.

    How easily you traitors forget 9/11. Beheadings of innocent civillian contractors. It's a shame your morallity and self-righious indignation doesn't extend to your own country and your own people. :(

    If you truly think FoxNews = Al J. then you truly lack even the basic understanding required to hold an intelligent debate on these issues. The gall of claiming that "silencing the opposing viewpoint" of an evil, terrorist allied "news" network is sad, pathetic and laughable if it wasn't so horrid in it's betrayal of your own nation.

    If people like you ever make the decisions in this country, we are indeed doomed to lose the War vs. Islamo-Facism. And I guess you'd be rooting for that result.......right up until they cut your worthless traitorous head from body.

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    [QUOTE][B]Yuk it up all you wish Traitor.[/B] [/QUOTE]


    Who are you calling traitor? Unlike you and the right wing kooks on this forum, I actually donned the uniform and served my country. I continue to serve our heros by taking care of the Veterans that the chickenhawks neglect long after the served their country.


    [QUOTE][B]How easily you traitors forget 9/11. Beheadings of innocent civillian contractors. It's a shame your morallity and self-righious indignation doesn't extend to your own country and your own people.[/B][/QUOTE]

    No one forgot 9/11. Maybe idiots like you should stop politicizing a tragedy. You have some nerve. What is happening in Iraq has nothing to do with 9/11. Al-Jazeera is a news agency . Thats all. They present the other side. There are 2 sides to everystory. You may not want to hear it but millions of Arabs do. And they along with millions of Europeans, Asians, and Latin Americans are hearing stories similar to AJ on their own nation's news. The same way you view AJ as criminals, millions of people worldwide view our media as supporting criminal policies.

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    [QUOTE][B]If people like you ever make the decisions in this country, we are indeed doomed to lose the War vs. Islamo-Facism.[/B][/QUOTE]



    And please tell... who are the Islamo-Fascists, where are they, and when do we know we have won against the Islamo-Fascists

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    [QUOTE=kennyo7]Who are you calling traitor? Unlike you and the right wing kooks on this forum, I actually donned the uniform and served my country. I continue to serve our heros by taking care of the Veterans that the chickenhawks neglect long after the served their country.

    No one forgot 9/11. Maybe idiots like you should stop politicizing a tragedy. You have some nerve. What is happening in Iraq has nothing to do with 9/11. Al-Jazeera is a news agency . Thats all. They present the other side. There are 2 sides to everystory. You may not want to hear it but millions of Arabs do. And they along with millions of Europeans, Asians, and Latin Americans are hearing stories similar to AJ on their own nation's news. The same way you view AJ as criminals, millions of people worldwide view our media as supporting criminal policies.[/QUOTE]

    Putting on a uniform doesn't make you a hero, and it doesn' make you honorable. You're alliegence with the enemies of Freedom marks you as exactly what you are...a traitor.

    You're right about one thing, ther ARE two sides to every story, and you have made it obvious whose side YOU are allied with.

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    These posts honestly show the RIGHT attempts to discuss an issue. Don't like what others say you must attack. ATTACK and tell others how they are not patriotic even if they actually served their country.

    Too bad for you War you showed your pic and I know you could of never served in any branch of service. You would never pass the physical.



    [QUOTE=Warfish]Putting on a uniform doesn't make you a hero, and it doesn' make you honorable. You're alliegence with the enemies of Freedom marks you as exactly what you are...a traitor.

    You're right about one thing, ther ARE two sides to every story, and you have made it obvious whose side YOU are allied with.[/QUOTE]

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    [QUOTE=cr726]These posts honestly show the RIGHT attempts to discuss an issue. Don't like what others say you must attack. ATTACK and tell others how they are not patriotic even if they actually served their country.

    Too bad for you War you showed your pic and I know you could of never served in any branch of service. You would never pass the physical.[/QUOTE]

    First, I think every self-proclaimed "Right-Winger" on this forum would disavow that I am remotely one of THEM. I may hold a number of righty positions (as I do lefty positions), but I am hardly lockstep in my beliefs with the likes of CBTNY or NEHick, to which I am sure they would agree.

    Second, when I was millitary age, I was not nearly so huge in weight, as I've stated here many times. I weighted in at a VERY healthy and athletic 280 (and played two college sports, baseball and football). However, you're right, I WOULD have failed any Millitary physical, even back then. I have chronic and at times severe asthma.

    So CR, you've gotton your laughs at my looks (and a decieded funny picture of me it is, hence why I posted it). So sack up kid, and show us YOUR face. And YOUR physique. After all, it would be rather hypocritical for you to mock me while hiding behind your anonymous keyboard.

    Oh, and don't think EVERYONE didn't notice how you've tried to change the SUBJECT from the ligitimacy of AJ as a target, to how "mean" us "righties" are, and how horrible I must be because I'm a fat ***. Way to prove you're point with logic, solid debate and legitimate arguement. CR says "You're a meany, and you're a fatty fat too!" :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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    [QUOTE=cr726]These posts honestly show the RIGHT attempts to discuss an issue. Don't like what others say you must attack. ATTACK and tell others how they are not patriotic even if they actually served their country.

    Too bad for you War you showed your pic and I know you could of never served in any branch of service. You would never pass the physical.[/QUOTE]

    and this post as well as others exemplifies the complete hypocrisy of the rats\left.....

    free speech for everyone but FoxNews be damned....


    self-righteously indict others for attacking posters- then do the same yourself.....
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