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    Ramses Clark- Yet another filthy liberal

    [B]Clark Arrives to Assist Saddam Defense

    Updated 11:59 AM ET November 27, 2005 [/B]

    By BASSEM MROUE

    BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - Iraqi police arrested eight Sunni Arabs in the northern city of Kirkuk for allegedly plotting to assassinate the investigating judge who prepared the case against Saddam Hussein, a senior police commander said Sunday. The announcement came as former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark arrived in Baghdad, airport officials said, apparently to aid in Saddam's defense.

    [B]Clark has been advising nearly a dozen international lawyers on Saddam's defense team. He has contended that Saddam's rights have been violated in the legal process following his capture. [/B] But a U.S. government official close to the court said the defense team had not filed the proper paperwork to have a non-Iraqi lawyer in the courtroom.

    The men who were arrested for plotting to kill the judge were carrying a document from former top Saddam deputy Izzat al-Douri ordering them to kill Raed Juhi, said Col. Anwar Qadir, a police commander in Kirkuk, where the men were arrested Saturday.

    Al-Douri is the highest ranking member of the Saddam regime still at large and is believed to be at least the symbolic leader of Saddam loyalists still fighting U.S. forces and the new government in Iraq.

    The arrest came two days before Saddam's trial resumes after a five-week break.

    The first prosecution witnesses are expected to testify before the five-judge panel, offering accounts of the deaths of more than 140 Shiite villagers following an assassination attempt against Saddam in the town of Dujail in 1982.

    If convicted, Saddam and his seven co-defendants could be sentenced to death by hanging.

    Security concerns prompted the defense team to threaten a boycott of Monday's session after two members were slain in separate attacks after the trial opened Oct. 19. The U.S. official, who requested anonymity in return for providing the information, also said no request by a member of the defense team for security has been denied.

    Attorneys for each defendant agreed to appear Monday, and the trial is expected to proceed as scheduled, the official added.

    The chief trial judge said in remarks released Sunday in Germany that he has considered whether the court should move to Kurdish-controlled northern Iraq because of poor security in the capital.

    "So far, the situation allows regular and fair proceedings of the court, even if the conditions are admittedly difficult," Rizgar Mohammed Amin was quoted as saying in the German news weekly Focus.

    "I have already thought about whether one shouldn't move the court to the Kurdish areas, where the situation is quieter and more security would be assured."

    The interview will be published Monday.

    On Saturday, a U.S. Marine died when his vehicle was hit by a roadside bomb near Camp Taqaddum, 45 miles west of Baghdad, the U.S. command said. A statement said the Marine was assigned to the 2nd Marine Aircraft Wing.

    The latest death raised the number of U.S. service members to die since the Iraq war started in March 2003 to at least 2,106, according to an Associated Press count.

    Before dawn Sunday, about 350 Iraqi soldiers in 50 vehicles carried out an operation in a Sunni Muslim area south of Baqouba, 35 miles northeast of Baghdad. A similar operation two weeks ago brought national protests from Sunni leaders.

    Iraqi army Maj. Karim Al-Zihayri said 15 people were arrested on suspicion of planting roadside bombs, attacking checkpoints, kidnapping and theft. The troops did not meet any resistance, he added.

    U.S. and Iraqi officials have warned of an increase in insurgent attacks ahead of the Dec. 15 elections, in which voters will choose the first fully constitutional parliament since Saddam's regime was ousted in April 2003.

    American authorities hope for a big Sunni Arab turnout, which could produce a government that would win the trust of the religious community that forms the backbone of the insurgency.

    President Jalal Talabani said Sunday that insurgent groups have responded to his call for talks and have contacted his office.

    "We are receiving calls from groups who claim to be from the resistance and they are expressing their support for meetings" with the government, Talabani told reporters. "We want to convince every sincere Iraqi who is carrying arms to come and participate in the political process."

    Talabani did not name the groups that contacted his office, but residents of Anbar province said Thursday that four insurgent groups active in that area are conferring among themselves to choose a representative to meet government officials.

    In an interview published in London on Sunday, former interim Prime Minister Ayad Allawi told The Observer newspaper that human rights abuses in Iraq are now as bad as they were under Saddam.

    "People are doing the same as Saddam's time and worse," he was quoted as saying. "It is an appropriate comparison."

    Allawi accused fellow Shiites in the government of being responsible for death squads and secret torture centers.

    "These were the precise reasons that we fought Saddam and now we are seeing the same thing," the newspaper quoted him as saying.

    For months, Sunni Arabs have been accusing the Interior Ministry of wholesale arrests and abuse of Sunnis in an attempt to find a handful of rebels. The discovery by U.S. troops this month of up to 173 detainees _ malnourished and some showing signs of torture _ hidden in an Interior Ministry building in central Baghdad gave credence to those charges.

    The Iraqi government has set up a committee that is investigating the case, but Talabani told reporters Sunday he did not believe there was a serious problem.

    "I believe there is exaggeration, but every incident should be investigated," he said.

    In Baghdad on Sunday, a group of women protested outside the Interior Ministry building, demanding information about relatives taken by security forces and never heard from again.

    "What have they done wrong?" asked one woman, who identified herself only as Um Nabeel. "Let the government tell us where they are. If they were killed let them tell us where their bodies are."

    Copyright 2004 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

    [url]http://dailynews.att.net/cgi-bin/news?e=pri&dt=051127&cat=news&st=newsd8e4ubk0c&src=ap[/url]
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    [B]Former US Attorney General joins Saddam's defence team
    By James Langton
    (Filed: 16/01/2005)[/B]

    [B]One of America's most renowned human rights lawyers has astonished even close friends and supporters by [SIZE=3]taking on Saddam Hussein as a client and describing the former Iraqi dictator as "reserved, quiet, thoughtful and dignified".[/SIZE][/B]

    Ramsey Clark: Unfair demonisation

    [B]While most of the world regards Saddam as a brutal dictator who gassed entire villages, launched wars that cost millions of lives and murdered thousands of political opponents, Ramsey Clark, a former US Attorney General, said he had been unfairly "demonised" by his captors.[/B]

    Mr Clark spoke about his client, who faces trial in an Iraqi court for war crimes, after returning to the US from Jordan, where he met other members of his legal team for the first time. He provoked a furore by declaring that Saddam had been subjected to "savage" treatment by his American captors and comparing it with the abuse of inmates at Abu Ghraib prison. "Demonisation is the most dangerous form of prejudice," he said. "Once you call anything evil, it's easy to justify anything you might do to harm that evil. Evil has no rights, it has no human dignity, it has to be destroyed. That's how you get your Fallujahs, your Abu Ghraibs, your shock-and-awes."

    As the US Government's senior law officer under President Lyndon Johnson, Mr Clark, 77, earned plaudits from the civil rights movement. He oversaw the framing of the law to extend voting rights, ordered the trial of errant police officers, refused to sanction wire-tapping of Martin Luther King, and fought against the death penalty helping to stop federal executions for 20 years.

    [B]He has since adopted increasingly unlikely causes, defending Radovan Karadzic, the former Bosnian Serb leader and accused war criminal, in a lawsuit brought by Muslim rape victims; and representing Elizaphan Ntakirutimana, the Rwandan pastor accused of summoning Hutu death squads to massacre Tutsis.[/B]

    Now he has unnerved even his admirers by defending a man accused of ordering 300,000 killings. Although he has been blocked by US authorities from talking to Saddam, Mr Clark previously met the dictator several times and visited Iraq early in 2003 to protest against the planned US-led invasion.


    Dignified and quiet: Saddam in the dock

    [B]He said he was shocked by the "savage presentation" of Saddam after US forces found him hiding in a hole in the ground. The former Iraqi leader was "dishevelled, with his mouth open, people probing his mouth", Mr Clark told the New York Observer. "This is hardly the road to peace if you want respect for human dignity."[/B]

    He said the court that would try Saddam was "a creation of the US military occupation'' and did not meet the standards of international law.

    Mr Clark wrote to Saddam and Iraq's former foreign minister, Tariq Aziz, offering to represent them "because I thought it was essential that they have independent contact immediately to assure their proper treatment". He said the former Iraqi president was a decisive, knowledgeable person and his lawyers' lack of access to him was a major violation.

    An Arab member of Saddam's legal team also disputes the US account of his arrest, saying the dictator was praying in a friend's house when he was seized. According to Khalil al-Duleimi, Saddam says he was prevented from fighting to the death only because his weapon "was far from me". He claims to have been "terribly tortured" by the Americans.

    As a young US marine, Mr Clark witnessed the Nazi war crimes trials in Nuremberg. As attorney- general he clashed with President Johnson over Vietnam. More recently he has been involved with the far-left International Action Center, which has led demonstrations against the war in Iraq.

    One conservative organisation, Right Nation, called for him to be tried for "sedition and treason'' and a conservative columnist, Michelle Malkin, accused him of "compulsive anti-Americanism".

    Among the few who defend him is the New York lawyer Alan Dershowitz, who says Saddam's trial must be perceived as fair. "Ramsey's being involved increases the chances that it will be perceived as a fair trial because he is a very good lawyer, very smart and very tough."

    [url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;sessionid=AA3YS0N2Q51L5QFIQMGCNAGAVCBQUJVC?xml=/news/2005/01/16/wirq116.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/01/16/ixnewstop.html&secureRefresh=true&_requestid=25768[/url]

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    Too bad Ramses Clark did not feel the same about the millions whose rights were violated by the man he loves....Hussien...

    Bottom line...liberals= pro tyrant=pro abortion= pro death.....

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    What a skank.

    Call me Captain Obvious! :cool:

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    He makes us liberals look bad.....jackass.

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY]
    Bottom line...liberals= pro tyrant=pro abortion= pro death.....[/QUOTE]

    an ironic comment coming from the pro-guns, pro-death penalty, pro-war right wing.

    hey guys i just wanted to check in, did we win that war yet? Find any WMD? no? ok well i guess there's always next year.

    further irony - quality of life was better for most Iraqis under Saddam than what they have now.

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    [QUOTE=bitonti]
    further irony - quality of life was better for most Iraqis under Saddam than what they have now.[/QUOTE]

    If you had said "sunnis" instead of "Iraqis", you'd have some credibility.

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    [QUOTE=bitonti]further irony - quality of life was better for most Iraqis under Saddam than what they have now.[/QUOTE]

    I'd love to see your proof of that claim.

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    [QUOTE=Warfish]I'd love to see your proof of that claim.[/QUOTE]

    Didn't you see F9/11?

    They were all flying kites and eating gumdrops.

    It was heaven on earth.

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    [QUOTE][B]I'd love to see your proof of that claim.[/B][/QUOTE]

    See my thread where Iraq's interim PM Alawi says the current "democratic" govt is just as corrupt and brutal as saddam was!

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    [QUOTE=quantum]If you had said "sunnis" instead of "Iraqis", you'd have some credibility.[/QUOTE]

    Sunnis, shiites, iraqis, it's all the same when you have an agenda to further.

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    [QUOTE=kennyo7]See my thread where Iraq's interim PM Alawi says the current "democratic" govt is just as corrupt and brutal as saddam was![/QUOTE]

    What a laugh. So a comment from the temporary Iraqi PM is to be taken as unassailable FACT, but the comments made by the duly elected American President are alwasy (by folks like you) to be taken as lies, dishonesty and corruption?

    But you're a loyal America right?

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    [QUOTE=Thor99]Didn't you see F9/11?

    They were all flying kites and eating gumdrops.

    It was heaven on earth.[/QUOTE]

    I didnt see the film, but it wouldnt seem as though the oppressed majority, many of whom had relatives killed by saddam, were enjoying life under a dictator who used WMD according to his whims.

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    [QUOTE=Jetcane]I didnt see the film, but it wouldnt seem as though the oppressed majority, many of whom had relatives killed by saddam, were enjoying life under a dictator who used WMD according to his whims.[/QUOTE]


    It depends on who's telling the story and what his motives are....

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    [QUOTE=Jetcane]Sunnis, shiites, iraqis, it's all the same when you have an agenda to further.[/QUOTE]


    they are all ragheads to me. Hey let's give em democracy and see what happens!

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    [QUOTE][B]What a laugh. So a comment from the temporary Iraqi PM is to be taken as unassailable FACT, but the comments made by the duly elected American President are alwasy (by folks like you) to be taken as lies, dishonesty and corruption?[/B][/QUOTE]

    This is comical.

    Iyad Alawi is the man that was handpicked by the BushCo. to be interim PM. He had full support of the administration and was hailed as an Iraqi Hero by the CON(artists) for resisting Saddam and surviving several assasination attempts by Saddam's henchmen. During the Jan 05 Iraq "elections" , Alawi's campaign was openly supported by the BushCo. Alawi is a Shia who is being openly critical of his fellow shia government. But that doesnt mean much to warfish. Alawi is good when he supports fish's point of view but bad/wrong when he goes against it.

    By the way even elected officials lies and are corrupt. See Duke Cunningham

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    Just noticed the thread title: so are you calling Clark and ancient Egyptian ruler or a condom? :P

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    ironic how the rats who frequent this board, and constantly accuse others of changing the topics in threads, have yet to comment on the contents of the thread, rather feel the need to post their usual superfolous BS....

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    [QUOTE][B]ironic how the rats who frequent this board, and constantly accuse others of changing the topics in threads, have yet to comment on the contents of the thread, rather feel the need to post their usual superfolous BS....[/B][/QUOTE]


    Try following each posting and connect the dots. You will see that there is no change in topic, you dumba$$!

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    [QUOTE=kennyo7]Try following each posting and connect the dots. You will see that there is no change in topic, you dumba$$![/QUOTE]

    like I said- superfolous BS from moronic rats who must change the topic.....

    still no comment on one of their own sc^mbags- Ramsees Clark.....

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    :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: [QUOTE=Warfish]What a laugh. So a comment from the temporary Iraqi PM is to be taken as unassailable FACT, but the comments made by the duly elected American President are alwasy (by folks like you) to be taken as lies, dishonesty and corruption?

    But you're a loyal America right?[/QUOTE]

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    [QUOTE=kennyo7]This is comical.

    Iyad Alawi is the man that was handpicked by the BushCo. to be interim PM. He had full support of the administration and was hailed as an Iraqi Hero by the CON(artists) for resisting Saddam and surviving several assasination attempts by Saddam's henchmen. During the Jan 05 Iraq "elections" , Alawi's campaign was openly supported by the BushCo. Alawi is a Shia who is being openly critical of his fellow shia government. But that doesnt mean much to warfish. Alawi is good when he supports fish's point of view but bad/wrong when he goes against it.

    By the way even elected officials lies and are corrupt. See Duke Cunningham[/QUOTE]

    Does a 100% honest politician even exist? I don't agree with everything anyone says. Just because MY OPINION IS that I doubt his assessment of the Iraqi lives pre and post Hussein does not mean that I don't think he's done a great job in his role. I think he's got a serious set of balls putting himself in that role knowing there would be assassination attempts and more. I think that his BEING critical of his fellow shia makes him probably more honest than most. He seems to be taking unpopular positions in an effort to "do the right thing." Yet you seem to give this man no credit except when he says something contrary to Bush. Nice work... see the pattern here?

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