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    Excellent trade for the Knicks

    Nothing is more frustrating than following NY sports with the idiots we have covering our teams. how can yesterday's Knicks trade be deemed a bad thing??? Did the Knicks just trade for Jalen Rose? No--they traded for a draft pick, and added salary to a meaningless 2006/7 year--which will be very helpful in 07/08.

    The Knicks cap is absurd the next 2 years, but then many contracts get wiped clean: http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/new_york.htm. Houston, Rose, Mo Taylor, Shandon Anderson, and Mad Dog are off then. Making the Knicks within reach of the impossible--getting at or under the cap in 2 years!

    The problem with holding onto Davis is they would have had to sign somebody next year to take his roster spot, and that player likely would have counted against 07/08. If the Knick can now give up Penny, and add more to next year's cap, they could get even more relief and whatever else they receive in return, which seems to be a wise stockpiling of draft picks. If they could somehow work Malik Rose, Jerome James, or Q into one of those deals, the cap relief would be even better.

    So why is Isaiah under such fire for this roster??? Granted, the Knicks are terrible, but how could they possibly be any better after the Checketts/Layden mismanagement of the cap? Marbury, like him or not, is far better than anyone left on this roster before; the kind of superstar you need to win with (whether or not he personally can win is a different debate). Curry--flawed as he is--is the youngest player with the best potential the knicks have had since patrick (though it seems the knicks should have held onto their own pick instead). Frye and Lee look like players, and Crawford/Q/Nate are an interesting group at guard. Jackie Butler is at least intriguing at center. These are all relatively young players, learning from a man generally deemed the best teacher in the sport.

    Regardless of what this team looks like now, no-one could argue that Isaiah is brillliant if he manages only to get the knicks out of their cap hell and back into the market, The he or whoever is the GM at that time could actually have the freedom to make roster decisions based on building a team, not on balancing salaries.

    And by the way, LeBron, Melo, and Wade will be free agents after 06/07. Looks like a good year to target.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crimson Cane
    Nothing is more frustrating than following NY sports with the idiots we have covering our teams. how can yesterday's Knicks trade be deemed a bad thing??? Did the Knicks just trade for Jalen Rose? No--they traded for a draft pick, and added salary to a meaningless 2006/7 year--which will be very helpful in 07/08.

    The Knicks cap is absurd the next 2 years, but then many contracts get wiped clean: http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/new_york.htm. Houston, Rose, Mo Taylor, Shandon Anderson, and Mad Dog are off then. Making the Knicks within reach of the impossible--getting at or under the cap in 2 years!

    The problem with holding onto Davis is they would have had to sign somebody next year to take his roster spot, and that player likely would have counted against 07/08. If the Knick can now give up Penny, and add more to next year's cap, they could get even more relief and whatever else they receive in return, which seems to be a wise stockpiling of draft picks. If they could somehow work Malik Rose, Jerome James, or Q into one of those deals, the cap relief would be even better.

    So why is Isaiah under such fire for this roster??? Granted, the Knicks are terrible, but how could they possibly be any better after the Checketts/Layden mismanagement of the cap? Marbury, like him or not, is far better than anyone left on this roster before; the kind of superstar you need to win with (whether or not he personally can win is a different debate). Curry--flawed as he is--is the youngest player with the best potential the knicks have had since patrick (though it seems the knicks should have held onto their own pick instead). Frye and Lee look like players, and Crawford/Q/Nate are an interesting group at guard. Jackie Butler is at least intriguing at center. These are all relatively young players, learning from a man generally deemed the best teacher in the sport.

    Regardless of what this team looks like now, no-one could argue that Isaiah is brillliant if he manages only to get the knicks out of their cap hell and back into the market, The he or whoever is the GM at that time could actually have the freedom to make roster decisions based on building a team, not on balancing salaries.

    And by the way, LeBron, Melo, and Wade will be free agents after 06/07. Looks like a good year to target.

    I agree 100% especially the lack of intelligence from the media regarding this trade....

    I believe Isiah is trying to acquire picks and expiring contracts to trade for a "star" i.e. LeBron, Melo, Garnett....My guess is Isiah will try to trade Penny for another expiring contract after the '06-'07 season and a pick or two (2nd rounders included). He then has the assets (picks or players obtained from those picks) along with expiring contracts to package in a sign and trade if necessary...Jalen Rose will be an expiring $17M cap number at the end of '06-'07...Again, look for a similar trade with Penny within the next two weeks.

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    Who, exactly, are these teams with studs going to want from you guys?

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    I think you are not looking at it correctly. First of all trading one expiring contract for another does nothing to accelerate the Knicks getting under the cap sooner. If anything its worse because it gives them more time to chance trading Rose for a much longer and bigger contract. If they hold onto someone like Davis that temptation is gone in just a few weeks.

    Secondly, do you really believe that signing someone to take Davis' roster spot means anything towards the cap? Because the Knicks are locked in to being over the cap they can only offer the MLE to a player, the same rule that they used to give James all that money. If the goal is to get under the salary cap you take a minimum money kind of guy and put him in the lineup that next season. If the goal is to get under the cap in 2007 you sign a guy like Aaron Williams to a 1 year deal next year for next to nothing. You are not forced to sign Jerome James to a 25 million dollar deal. Thats just boneheaded management that does that.

    You cant satrt packaging all those guys you are mentioning for salary cap relief. You dont trade Penny Hardaway for a draft pick and a 2 year big contract. What you get back for Penny Hardaway is a decent player with a terrible contract that isnt working out on his team. Think Chris Webber. Think Steve Francis. Think Antoine Walker. That is what you get for an expiring deal. Any team taking Penny Hardaway is not taking Malik Rose and his 2 years left or Jerome James and his 4 years left.

    And how can it be about stockpiling draft picks when the Knicks have traded their next one away to the Bulls? Another away to the Suns. Another which can be switched. Even if you think this draft pick is worthwhile, I guarantee you Thomas will end up using it in a deal to bring in Theo Ratliff or Earl Watson.

    The moves the Knicks have made have made it impossible for them to get under the salary cap in order to compete for LeBron James. The Knicks screwed themselves over with the Crawford, Richardson, James, and Curry deals if they wanted to do that. The site you are referring to does not have the Curry deal figured in. The Knicks never released what they are paying him. Its probably in the 11-12 million dollar range, which would pay him a bit more than Dalembert on the Sixers. The cap is around 50 million this season. It will be around 55 millionish after next year. The Knicks are locked into about 60 million dollars and only 8 players. Barring a total change in philosophy the Knicks are at least 4 years away from being out from under the salary cap or right about where they were when Layden was in charge. The only thing this trade does is give the Knicks another year to try to move an expiring contract for a player or players with much longer ones.

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