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    1983 Beirut barracks bombing
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    A mushroom cloud rises from the rubble of the bombed barracks at Beirut International Airport.The 1983 Beirut barracks bombing was a major incident during the Lebanese Civil War. Two truck bombs struck buildings in Beirut housing U.S. and French members of the Multinational Force in Lebanon, killing hundreds of soldiers, the majority being U.S. Marines. The October 23, 1983, blasts led to the withdrawal of the international peacekeeping force from Lebanon, where they had been stationed since the Israeli invasion in 1982, and it is considered one of the first instances of suicide bombing.

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    1 The bombing
    2 Death toll
    3 Response
    4 Aftermath
    5 Notes
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    The bombing
    On October 23, 1983, around 6:20 am, a yellow Mercedes-Benz delivery truck drove to Beirut International Airport, where the 1st Battalion 8th Marines, under the U.S. 2nd Marine Division of the United States Marines, had set up its local headquarters. The truck turned onto an access road leading to the Marines' compound and circled a parking lot. The driver then accelerated and crashed through a barbed wire fence around the parking lot, passed between two sentry posts, crashed through a gate and barreled into the lobby of the Marine headquarters. The Marine sentries at the gate were forbidden from using live ammuntion, for fear that a discharge might kill a civilian, so they were powerless to stop him. According to one Marine survivor, the driver was smiling as he sped past him.

    The suicide bomber detonated his explosives, which were equivalent to 12,000 pounds (about 5,400kg) of TNT. The force of the explosion collapsed the four-story cinder-block building into rubble, crushing many inside.

    About 20 seconds later, an identical attack occurred against the barracks of the French Third Company of the Sixth French Parachute Infantry Regiment. Another suicide bomber drove his truck down a ramp into the building's underground parking garage and detonated his bomb, leveling the headquarters.

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    Death toll
    Rescue efforts continued for days. While the rescuers were at times hindered by sniper fire, some survivors were pulled from the rubble and airlifted to the RAF hospital in Cyprus or to U.S. and German hospitals in West Germany [1].

    The death toll was 241 American servicemen: 220 Marines, 18 Navy personnel and 3 Army soldiers. Sixty Americans were injured. In the attack on the French barracks, 58 paratroopers were killed and 15 injured. In addition, the elderly Lebanese custodian of the Marines' building was killed in the first blast. [1] The wife and four children of a Lebanese janitor at the French building also were killed.[2]

    This was the deadliest single-day death toll for the United States Marine Corps since the Battle of Iwo Jima (2,500 in one day) of World War II. The attack remains the deadliest post-World War II attack on Americans overseas.

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    Response
    President Ronald Reagan called the attack a "despicable act" and pledged to keep a military force in Lebanon. Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger said there would be no change in the U.S.'s Lebanon policy. On October 24 French President François Mitterrand visited the French bomb site. It was not an official visit, and he only stayed for a few hours, but he did declare: "We will stay." U.S. Vice President George Bush toured the marine bombing site on October 26 and said the U.S. "would not be cowed by terrorists."

    In retaliation for the attacks, France launched an air strike in the Beqaa Valley against Iranian Revolutionary Guard positions. President Reagan assembled his national security team and planned to target the Sheik Abdullah barracks in Baalbek, Lebanon, which housed Iranian Revolutionary Guards believed to be training Hezbollah fighters. But Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger aborted the mission, reportedly because of his concerns that it would harm U.S. relations with other Arab nations.

    Besides a few shellings, there was no serious retaliation for the Beirut bombing from the Americans. In December 1983, U.S. aircraft attacked Syrian targets in Lebanon, but this was in response to Syrian missile attacks on planes, not the barracks bombing.

    The Marines were moved offshore where they could not be targeted. On February 7, 1984, President Reagan ordered the Marines to begin withdrawal from Lebanon. This was completed on February 26; the rest of the MNF was withdrawn by April.

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    Aftermath
    It is uncertain as to who is responsible for the bombing although several radical Shiite militant groups claimed responsibility for the attacks, and one, the Free Islamic Revolutionary Movement, identified the two suicide bombers as Abu Mazen and Abu Sijaan.[3] Despite the fact that they were not officially an organization until February 1985, many (notably the U.S. government) believe[citation needed] that the Hezbollah, a Lebanese based militant group backed by Iran and Syria, was responsible for this particular bombing as well as the bombing of the U.S. Embassy in Beirut in April. Hezbollah, Iran and Syria have denied any involvement.

    Many in the U.S. government do not claim Hezbollah is responsible for the marine barracks attack. For example in 2001 Caspar Weinberger, Secretary of Defense under Reagan at the time of the attacks stated: "But we still do not have the actual knowledge of who did the bombing of the Marine barracks at the Beirut Airport, and we certainly didn't then" [4]

    Along with the U.S. Embassy bombing, the barracks bombing prompted the Inman Report, a review of the security of U.S. facilities overseas for the U.S. Department of State.

    In his book "By Way of Deception: The Making and Unmaking of a Mossad Officer,Victor Ostrovsky claims that Mossad new in advance of the attack did not warn the United States[6].There have been claims that Israel wanted US and French troops to leave Lebanon so it could freely operate in Lebanon without restriction. The removal of US and French tropps allowed the Israelis to support the Phalangists in their massacre of the Palestinians in the Shantilla and Sabra camps [2].

    In May 2003, U.S. District Court Judge Royce C. Lamberth declared that the Islamic Republic of Iran was responsible for the 1983 attack, on the grounds that Iran had originally founded Hezbollah and financed the group throughout the years.[5]

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    Yup, and Mossad did 9-11, too.

    You truly are a piece of sht, bman. All doubt (which wasn't much to begin with) that you are/were Jetsin2004, is officially removed. You're probably Jets Til Death, too.

    What's next on the itinerary, the protocols of the elders of zion? I can't believe you stooped that low to use the deaths of those marines/soldiers/sailors of Oct 23, 1983 to spread your BS and lies.

    You are a f*cking worm.

    PS Ostrovsky is a pretty good painter, but he is to Mossad what Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame are to the CIA.

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    hey A Hole, get off your soap box..You are a moron.
    Get a life and A CLUE...
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    Reagan didn't do anything but cut and run from hezbollah..
    And yes, Isreal would rather not have foreign troops in their business either.
    That's true...
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    You are trully a class act....I feel bad for whoever loves you. You got me, I post under numerous names ..Put down the bottle you drunk.
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    I looked up the date and that's the Wikipedia explanation..So go yell at them you fascist drunk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bman
    You are trully a class act....I feel bad for whoever loves you. You got me, I post under numerous names ..Put down the bottle you drunk.
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    I looked up the date and that's the Wikipedia explanation..So go yell at them you fascist drunk.

    BMan...don't get your facts from Wikipedia. Just because it rhymes with encylopedia doesn't make it factual

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    I don't know what Israel knew or didn't know about the impending attack? Ostrovsky was a "Cadet" in the Mossad in 83. Hard to believe that a cadet would have access to information like this one way or another. At best if Ostrovsky had gotten classified Israeli intelligence and published it he would have been a traitor. If he is merely speculating he is only a tool. What's clear is Ostrovsky work has been used as a propaganda tool for Islamic extremists all over the world. I find it interesting that you choose to highlight his words on a lack of warning by Israel rather than the fact that Iran supported terrorist committed the murders. If I was a betting man I would bet that your personal hatred of Israel is much stronger than your personal hatred of the actual murderers of American troops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bman
    hey A Hole, get off your soap box..You are a moron.
    Get a life and A CLUE...
    ..
    Reagan didn't do anything but cut and run from hezbollah..
    And yes, Isreal would rather not have foreign troops in their business either.
    That's true...
    ..
    You are trully a class act....I feel bad for whoever loves you. You got me, I post under numerous names ..Put down the bottle you drunk.
    ..
    I looked up the date and that's the Wikipedia explanation..So go yell at them you fascist drunk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bman
    Reagan didn't do anything but cut and run from hezbollah..
    And yes, Isreal would rather not have foreign troops in their business either.
    That's true...
    The PM of Israel endorsed a peace agreement that does just what you said they don't want? By the way the Knesset, a democratically elected body voted to support that same plan.

    Had the UN or foreign troops or the Lebanese government disarmed Hezbollah and prevented the tunneling and underground stockpiles of weapons and missiles being acquired illegally through Iran and Syria this entire mess would have been avoided. Israel's reluctance to sign on to a weak peace agreement is understandable based on the UN observing the current build up and their lack of action. That said they still voted to do just that which totally refutes your conclusions.

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    What is Wikipedias reputaion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winstonbiggs
    The PM of Israel endorsed a peace agreement that does just what you said they don't want? By the way the Knesset, a democratically elected body voted to support that same plan.

    Had the UN or foreign troops or the Lebanese government disarmed Hezbollah and prevented the tunneling and underground stockpiles of weapons and missiles being acquired illegally through Iran and Syria this entire mess would have been avoided. Israel's reluctance to sign on to a weak peace agreement is understandable based on the UN observing the current build up and their lack of action. That said they still voted to do just that which totally refutes your conclusions.

    The current UN cease fire agreement does:

    1. UNIFIL monitors the Israel/Lebanon border

    UNIFIL were the one's monitoring the border 2000-2006.

    2. UNIFIL has no authority to disarm Hezbollah. The Lebanese Army has that responsibility. No, I'm not kidding. And get this, the USA has agreed to pump millions of dollars into building up Lebanons Army, which, if we use the buildup of Iraqs army as a yard stick to measure progress, that will take years.


    So you see... all of this just brings us right back to square one. And the two IDF soldiers that were kidnapped are probably dead.

    Isn't diplomacy special? Why not let the IDF finish the job. Get rid of Hezbollah, and you won't need UNIFIL or millions of US dollars going into another sinkhole in the middle east.

    Kill Nasrallah, arrest Lahoud and put the SOB on trial at the Hague. He's a war criminal. I know the international war crimes thingy at the UN is a dog and pony show, but I don't know what else to do with Lahoud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Moses
    The current UN cease fire agreement does:

    1. UNIFIL monitors the Israel/Lebanon border

    UNIFIL were the one's monitoring the border 2000-2006.

    2. UNIFIL has no authority to disarm Hezbollah. The Lebanese Army has that responsibility. No, I'm not kidding. And get this, the USA has agreed to pump millions of dollars into building up Lebanons Army, which, if we use the buildup of Iraqs army as a yard stick to measure progress, that will take years.


    So you see... all of this just brings us right back to square one. And the two IDF soldiers that were kidnapped are probably dead.

    Isn't diplomacy special? Why not let the IDF finish the job. Get rid of Hezbollah, and you won't need UNIFIL or millions of US dollars going into another sinkhole in the middle east.

    Kill Nasrallah, arrest Lahoud and put the SOB on trial at the Hague. He's a war criminal. I know the international war crimes thingy at the UN is a dog and pony show, but I don't know what else to do with Lahoud.
    The Israeli army isn't capable of disarming Hezbollah. They are a conventional army fighting a highly trained and armed gorilla army who has supplies stock piled in caves all over Southern Lebanon. They would have to go in with overwhelming force and stay for a long and deadly occupation, something Israel doesn't want to do. This deal is the best they can get and it allows them some options.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlbanyJet
    pretty clever.....

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