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    Proof that the left embolden the enemy

    Iraqi insurgents use moore film to recruit

    If the iraq war is bad because it recruits terrorists to jihad against our country, explain to us how this helps America.

    Explain to us how this doesn't put the troops, you claim to care so much about, in more danger.

    Explain to us how this keeps American's safe.

    Explain to us how the left's right to demean America and it's government benefits America.

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    you say in your link they use the film to recruit

    no where in that article does it mention how this video helps their "recruiting"

    the article is called:

    Iraqi group uses Michael Moore film to mock Bush

    the truth of the matter is the average Iraqi on the street doesn't even have power let alone the internet

    this isn't about recruiting its about worldwide propoganda... and i don't know how these things strengthen the enemy


    maybe if the war made sense, had a reason, had a goal these videos or even michael moore's movie wouldn't been made in the first place

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    Quote Originally Posted by bitonti
    you say in your link they use the film to recruit

    no where in that article does it mention how this video helps their "recruiting"

    the article is called:

    Iraqi group uses Michael Moore film to mock Bush

    the truth of the matter is the average Iraqi on the street doesn't even have power let alone the internet

    this isn't about recruiting its about worldwide propoganda... and i don't know how these things strengthen the enemy


    maybe if the war made sense, had a reason, had a goal these videos or even michael moore's movie wouldn't been made in the first place


    don't defend that fat, money-grubbing rat bastard. no one should ever defend Michael Moore, ever. I don't care what your principles are.

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    I'm sure fat-azz is more then happy to lend a hand to these "freedom fighters"...

    hell- last week he threatened all moderate democrats after Ned Lamonts overwhelming victory....

    Fatt-azz will probably be vactioning with Jimmy Carter sometime soon...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bitonti
    you say in your link they use the film to recruit
    no where in that article does it mention how this video helps their "recruiting"
    A propaganda film is used by them to recruit and foment more dissention within their enemy [us], not to audition for the next American Idol.

    The U.S. military said earlier this week that recent intelligence indicated al Qaeda in Iraq was refining its strategy by producing propaganda and adding a political base to its violent campaign of suicide bombings.

    Also Mr. Cut N. Run, notice the last paragraph: And it is really devastating for them [our solidiers], especially if they are on their third tour and don't have our secret weapon -- patience."

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    THE US's BS invasion of Iraq for NO reason is the best terrorist recruitment on earth.

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    we can blame the failure of Iraq on Michael Moore

    we can blame the failure of Nam on Jane Fonda

    the reality is that our leaders are to blame for both failures for inserting our soldiers into an unwinnable situation

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    bit, you can say the actions of the left are not emboldening the enemy.

    Tell me one thing then. If the left were to really to consciously try to embolden the enemy, how would their actions be any different?

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    Don't kid yourselves, the internet as well as media and video producing have long been a method of inssurection groups to recruit impressionable gung-ho youngsters to fight.

    al-Qaeda themselves own their own media station (unofficial) known more commonly as "as-Sahab" (the Clouds). They, among other insurrection groups have been using this technique since the late 1980's and the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, they find access to the internet easily when they need something done. I wouldn't be unimaginable to see an insurgent using F/911 as part of a propaganda video, the Nazis used "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" to their advantage when it wasn't theirs.

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    so we should curtail freedom of expression so as to not embolden the enemy!
    You mean if Moore didn't make that film, the Iraqui insurrection would stop!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bman
    You mean if Moore didn't make that film, the Iraqui insurrection would stop!
    Yes, BMan...and if Ned Lamont didn't win the Conn primary, the enemy would have gotten depressed and sad and would have extinguished their burning flags and gone home. And if it wasn't for the Dixie Chicks, Al Queda would have closed their training camps and would have opened florist shops to supply flowers to the liberating US Army in Iraqistan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shakin318
    bit, you can say the actions of the left are not emboldening the enemy.

    Tell me one thing then. If the left were to really to consciously try to embolden the enemy, how would their actions be any different?

    The biggest thing that has emboldened the enemy is our outright failure in Iraq and Afghanistan. Nothing intimidates the enemy more than getting their butts kicked by a well prepared well executed US mission. Seeing the US bogged down in two wars with both of them spiraling out of control does more for the enemy than any propaganda the left or the right can come up with. Smaller military goals that are successfully applied will do more to discourage the enemy than any Michael Moore horse s**t. When or if President Bush gets some sustained positive results on the ground, the left will become irrelevant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winstonbiggs
    The biggest thing that has emboldened the enemy is our outright failure in Iraq and Afghanistan. Nothing intimidates the enemy more than getting their butts kicked by a well prepared well executed US mission. Seeing the US bogged down in two wars with both of them spiraling out of control does more for the enemy than any propaganda the left or the right can come up with. Smaller military goals that are successfully applied will do more to discourage the enemy than any Michael Moore horse s**t. When or if President Bush gets some sustained positive results on the ground, the left will become irrelevant.
    Yes, "total failure"

    Guess you missed some of the achievements

    http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/w...1n4varney.html
    http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniont...30rumsfel.html

    Facts are, nothing will placate libs/MSM till theyre back in power.

    We'll just have to put up with the incessant griping
    and weekly acts of treason/sedition for, oh at least another 10 years

    Guess it just depends on what your idea of success and failure
    is
    Having your country , embassies, and armed forces attacked
    And not responding, as in 93, 96, 98 and 00
    Is utter failure to me

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    Quote Originally Posted by PlumberKhan
    Yes, BMan...and if Ned Lamont didn't win the Conn primary, the enemy would have gotten depressed and sad and would have extinguished their burning flags and gone home. And if it wasn't for the Dixie Chicks, Al Queda would have closed their training camps and would have opened florist shops to supply flowers to the liberating US Army in Iraqistan.
    Too bad people throw stuff they shouldnt down drains and toilets, or
    dont use more Drano. Or insist upon flushing tampoons.
    Then we wouldnt need so many plumbers

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    Quote Originally Posted by flushingjet
    Yes, "total failure"

    Guess you missed some of the achievements

    http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/w...1n4varney.html
    http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniont...30rumsfel.html

    Facts are, nothing will placate libs/MSM till theyre back in power.

    We'll just have to put up with the incessant griping
    and weekly acts of treason/sedition for, oh at least another 10 years

    Guess it just depends on what your idea of success and failure
    is
    Having your country , embassies, and armed forces attacked
    And not responding, as in 93, 96, 98 and 00
    Is utter failure to me
    FJ as always a sound response. Point well taken that the party out of power will never stop snipping and yes responding beats the hell out of sitting on our hands. I don't agree with you on what we have accomplished in Iraq, but I really hope we turn the tide and come out of this with a decisive victory. I much prefer your I told you so to the alternative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winstonbiggs
    FJ as always a sound response. Point well taken that the party out of power will never stop snipping and yes responding beats the hell out of sitting on our hands. I don't agree with you on what we have accomplished in Iraq, but I really hope we turn the tide and come out of this with a decisive victory. I much prefer your I told you so to the alternative.
    My personal issue, and thats just me,
    is that I just get incredibly rankled when I hear
    over and over that Iraq and Afghanistan are failures
    Failures compared to what?
    All the other local dictatorships and tribal monarchies?
    Because Saddam Hussein was not left in power to kill hundreds of thousands more of his own countrymen, and others? And foster terror?
    3 weeks into the war Iraq was already being described as a "quagmire"
    by the left-media and pols alike
    Most of the criticism is politically motivated in a disingenuous way
    And frankly reporting is done with the lead / bleed mentality
    The best reports are by the people who have boots on the ground
    the soldiers
    Best to ask a relative/friend there-not everyone has the same
    or a negative experience that you might gather from the news

    My point is that its far too early to call exactly what
    Iraq and Afghanistan are, and arent
    Are they perfect Wilsonian/Western democracies yet?
    Of course not-they may never be
    Are they paragons of morality/decency?
    Of course not-they may never be
    But its way too patronizing/paternal to say democracy will never work
    The bottom line is we took Iraq and Libya off the table as threats
    in the near term-that makes us safer period.
    Our country didnt create the threats of Iran, etc in the last 5.5 yrs-they
    were there already, aided and abetted by others
    People, especialy the yoots around here DONT KNOW WORLD HISTORY
    They dont comprehend the ummah or Islamicist collaboration
    They fail to believe it exists
    (West) Pakistan was a staunch ally 35 years ago-India was
    in the Soviet orbit-then they got kicked to the curb
    and decided to go nucular. Who gave the core technology to them?
    The Chicoms!
    We put sanctions upon them, both GHWB & Clinton to
    punish their development of it - that made them more determined to
    complete their work
    Are we the USA to blame because they followed through?
    Is Clinton to blame because he didnt stop them / bomb them
    to smithereens right after the 1st tests?
    The elites/powerful of S. Asia are not stupid people
    They had the English educational system thrust upon them
    They could not all be secularized-so there are some extremists

    We didnt create hordes of anti-Western/US terrorists-theyve been
    there for decades
    We didnt attack the ME, it was the other way around
    But of course we can never fight back, do enough good or do things right in the eyes of some
    The problems of Iraq are perennial, but they dont have to be forever
    It is an artificial political construct - if its split I dont care
    Better to do it peaceably
    India and Pakistan and Bangkadesh were all India decades ago-
    is the world clamoring for it to be sewn back together again
    I dont subscribe to the creating 3 tyrannies out of 1 theory
    They can have sectarian independence without constantly waging war on their neighbors or fomenting terror
    If the ummah has collective dysfunction, they have to strive to rectify it
    I believe that there are some very good & decent Islamic people that live here and abroad, dont want war with the US and Israel, and dont knowingly support terror
    It takes $ & support for terror to happen
    but there are far too many instances of terror to assume that a tiny minority
    believes its acceptable-its more than a tiny #
    some people just dont want to believe that
    they dont want to believe that 1,000 cell phones could be used for IEDs
    they need to do more to make extremism unacceptable
    in their societies IMO.

    Some fret about the cost, or pre-emption-I dont
    Smoldering ruins of my office building with dead people
    on the ground changed my mind forever
    We kept out of the pre-WWII & early WWII action,
    to save American $ and hides
    Think preempting the Axis would have saved us some lives and $?

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    Every statement out of iran, al queda, the remants of the taliban, hezbollah and the insurgency in iraq parrot the talking points out of the dnc.

    If that doesn't prove the enemy is listening to liberals in this country, then I don't know what is.

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    oh well..That's called Democracy..
    and I never ever have head the DNC calling for the destruction of Isreal or the setting up of sharia law anywhere in America..
    So you're way off..
    You should hate al qeada..Not the DNC..

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    Proof?

    I thought we were way past that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spirit of Weeb
    Every statement out of iran, al queda, the remants of the taliban, hezbollah and the insurgency in iraq parrot the talking points out of the dnc.

    If that doesn't prove the enemy is listening to liberals in this country, then I don't know what is.

    I would really like for you to back this statement up..
    Also, would you rather we live under a regime where you cannot criticize or question the gov't?
    It sound like you are a hardline islamic..

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