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    Military Tribunals

    ok maybe this is just TOO simple but when it comes to the issue of military tribunals I would rather trust the opinion of McCain/Warner/Graham all decorated war vets (who happen to be GOP Senators) than that of George Bush/Cheney/Rove who's never been to war and from their actions clearly don't understand war.

    Maybe that's just me...

    from Houston Chronicle

    GOP divided on plan to try terror suspects
    White House faces tough road in selling its party on security agenda


    By ERIC LICHTBLAU and KATE ZERNIKE


    WASHINGTON - The White House took a critical step on Wednesday in its effort to get congressional blessing for President Bush's domestic eavesdropping program, but it ran into increasingly fierce resistance from leading Republicans over its plan to try terror suspects being held in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

    The mixed results signaled the tough road the White House faces in trying to sell the two key planks in its national security agenda to sometimes skeptical Republicans less than two months before the midterm elections. Democrats have let Republicans fight among themselves over the issues.

    On the domestic eavesdropping program, aggressive White House lobbying began to pay dividends on Wednesday as the Senate Judiciary Committee approved on a straight party-line vote two legislative approaches favored by the White House, along with a third the Bush administration opposes. The program would allow the National Security Agency to eavesdrop without a warrant on the international phone calls and e-mail of people in the United States.

    But negotiations between Capitol Hill and the White House broke down as three Republican senators crucial to passage of the legislation hardened their stance against a White House plan that would reinterpret a key provision of the Geneva Conventions.

    Sen. John W. Warner, R-Va., the chairman of the Armed Services Committee, said the committee would vote today in a closed session on an alternative that he and his two chief allies Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and Sen. John McCain of Arizona have championed, even if the White House refuses to go along with them.

    The senators have said changes to the American interpretation of the provision of the Geneva Conventions, known as Common Article 3, would undermine the nation's international credibility.

    The Bush administration pushed back, convening a conference call in which John D. Negroponte, the director of national intelligence, described the Senate alternative as unacceptable. Negroponte said the plan would impose intolerable limits on any interrogation methods American intelligence officers might use against future terror suspects held by the CIA in secret overseas prisons.


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    Does anyone think treating terrorists to Geneva Convention rights will encourage them to return the favor when they capture or engage our people?

    Stupid PC liberal bull*hit!!

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    >Stupid PC liberal bull*hit!!

    way to go weeb you just called 3 GOP Senators PC liberals

    i finally understand your brain - Bush is always right, everyone else is always wrong, even respected Senators from the same party. Must be nice to be so delusional... like being on a permanent vacation to la-la land

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    Quote Originally Posted by bitonti
    >Stupid PC liberal bull*hit!!

    way to go weeb you just called 3 GOP Senators PC liberals

    i finally understand your brain - Bush is always right, everyone else is always wrong, even respected Senators from the same party. Must be nice to be so delusional... like being on a permanent vacation to la-la land
    Why don't you comment on the first part of his post?



    Maybe these savages didn't get their copy of the Geneva Convention in the mail before they beheaded these 3 soldiers with a small knife.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BronxDan
    Why don't you comment on the first part of his post?
    because frankly im not an expert on war.

    BUt i do trust the opinion of McCain, Warner & Graham - also Colin powell has said it would set a dangerous precident - these guys have forgotten more about warfare then Bush will ever know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bitonti
    because frankly im not an expert on war.

    BUt i do trust the opinion of McCain, Warner & Graham - also Colin powell has said it would set a dangerous precident - these guys have forgotten more about warfare then Bush will ever know.


    It was a simple question do you think the savages will abide by the Geneva Convention with the people they have kidnapped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bitonti
    >Stupid PC liberal bull*hit!!

    way to go weeb you just called 3 GOP Senators PC liberals

    i finally understand your brain - Bush is always right, everyone else is always wrong, even respected Senators from the same party. Must be nice to be so delusional... like being on a permanent vacation to la-la land
    ?

    More ignorance as usual *chuckle*

    Unlike the Defeatist Socialists, who are all Marxists,
    the GOP has some "Moderate"s aka RINOs

    Goober Graham, Mr. Brainwashed Anti-Free Speech POW and
    Mr. Liz Taylor-who only got back in in 96 due to a VA Open
    Primary-are hardly typical - Warner for example is for
    Gun Control ...of course McCain-Feingold advances
    free speech (not)

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    That is a very difficult question to answer and frankly no one knows the correct answer.

    If we send our troops into war should we only use the Geneva Convention act for those who we feel may use them for us?

    In order to show what a great country we are should we not at least show why our democracy works? Our country has laws and we should abide by them. If we plan on making Iraq a successful democracy shouldn't we practice what we preach?

    If not then NUKE the place and be done with it.


    Quote Originally Posted by Spirit of Weeb
    Does anyone think treating terrorists to Geneva Convention rights will encourage them to return the favor when they capture or engage our people?

    Stupid PC liberal bull*hit!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bitonti
    >Stupid PC liberal bull*hit!!

    way to go weeb you just called 3 GOP Senators PC liberals

    i finally understand your brain - Bush is always right, everyone else is always wrong, even respected Senators from the same party. Must be nice to be so delusional... like being on a permanent vacation to la-la land
    McCain is a RINO who's last material act wast getting pantsed by the democrats on campaign reform.

    If you don't recognize that... what am I saying?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piper
    McCain is a RINO who's last material act wast getting pantsed by the democrats on campaign reform.

    If you don't recognize that... what am I saying?
    even if that's true Warner and Graham are not RINOs

    maybe Bush is the RINO - he's the one approving spending bill after spending bill and has this country stuck in a nation building situation

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    Quote Originally Posted by bitonti
    even if that's true Warner and Graham are not RINOs

    maybe Bush is the RINO - he's the one approving spending bill after spending bill and has this country stuck in a nation building situation
    If you have to say 'even if that is true' it isn't worth discussing. It is a layup.

    Bush is definitly a RINO, which why I laugh every time you call him a neocon.

    There is very little 'con' about him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piper
    If you have to say 'even if that is true' it isn't worth discussing. It is a layup.
    Just conceding the point for the sake of argument

    want to keep things moving, not get bogged down in the technicalities

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    Quote Originally Posted by bitonti
    >Stupid PC liberal bull*hit!!

    way to go weeb you just called 3 GOP Senators PC liberals

    i finally understand your brain - Bush is always right, everyone else is always wrong, even respected Senators from the same party. Must be nice to be so delusional... like being on a permanent vacation to la-la land
    I don't care what party they are from. It's liberal BS pure and simple. I happen to agree with the other 48 GOP senators that are correct.

    Just cause you claim it, doesn't make it fact: Bush is not always right. When it comes to things like immigration, I side with Tom Tancredo over GW anyday. The point is that all current defeatocrats make GW look like Ronald Reagan vs. jimmy carter. And that's why I feel as I do.
    Last edited by Spirit of Weeb; 09-19-2006 at 01:29 PM.

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    like i said

    common sense dictates when it comes to issues of war I'd rather trust the 3 guys who actually were there and saw the worst side of it than the other dudes who didn't find the time to serve in active combat situations. Not to mention Colin Powell who is a retired 4 star marine corp general!

    i just don't see why or how Bush deserves the benefit of the doubt here - what has he proven except the ability to run a war into the ground?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bitonti
    like i said

    common sense dictates when it comes to issues of war I'd rather trust the 3 guys who actually were there and saw the worst side of it than the other dudes who didn't find the time to serve in active combat situations. Not to mention Colin Powell who is a retired 4 star marine corp general!

    i just don't see why or how Bush deserves the benefit of the doubt here - what has he proven except the ability to run a war into the ground?
    ?

    just when youve hit rock bottom you keep digging deeper

    Cheney already was a very successful Secretary of Defense already when
    you were a kiddy-poo - look it up and stop annoying us about
    what makes one worthy to serve and lead.

    Clinton the draft dodger etc became CInC-great job in Somalia,
    etc.
    and Carter a vet became the most ineffective CinC/POTUS ever
    terrific work in Iran to free our countrymen, the hostages

    Your Powell point has some merit but Schwarzkopf was the main man
    He did more in a week that those RINOS have done in 40 years

    ~Again~
    We took Iraq and Libya off the table
    We have not been attacked for 5 years+

    However: all our enemies aint defeated yet
    If we have to do more, we can and will

    Making believe Iraq is Vietnam in your mind is all you got
    Ill "make believe" the ummah doesnt interact with other and
    we'll see whos the bigger fantasist

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