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    Bill Clinton laying the Smackdown on FAUX News

    This is GREAT!. Someone finally standing up to FAux News and the mis-information they love to pump out. Clinton made many mistakes but at least he can admit to them . Thats the first step you take in order to straighten this mess out. If you refuse to recognize your mistakes you simply create a bigger hole for the country the way Dumbya is doing.





    [QUOTE]WALLACE: In a recent issue of the New Yorker you say you’re sixty years old and you’re worried about how many lives you can save…Is that what drives you in your effort to help?

    CLINTON: Yes. That sounds sort of morbid. The tone in which I said was almost whimsical and humorous. This is what I love to do it’s what I think I should do. I’ve had a wonderful. I got to be president. I’ve lived the life of my dreams. I dodged a bullet with that health thing. I think I owe it to my fellow countrymen and people around the world to help save lives and help people see the future. But as it happens I love it. I feel it’s a great gift. I feel it’s a rewarding way to spend my life.

    WALLACE: Someone asked you …he asked you if you could do more good as a former president than as a president and you said only if I live a long time.

    CLINTON: Yea that’s true.

    WALLACE: how do you compare the powers of being in office and what you can do out of office?

    CLINTON: When you’re president you can operate on broader scope. You can simultaneously work to stop the genocide in Kosovo, bring peace to the middle east, pass a budget that gives millions of kids a chance to have after school programs… So in other words you’ve got a lot of different moving parts and you can move them all at once.

    But you’re also more at the mercy of events. That is 43 did not run for President to deal with the events of 9/11 but once it happened it wasn’t as if he had an option. Once I looked at the economic data after I won the election, I realized I would have to work harder to reduce the deficit and therefore have less money in my first year to invest in things I wanted to invest in.

    WALLACE: So what is it that you can do as a former president.

    CLINTON: So what you can do as a former president, you don’t have as wide a range of powers so you have to concentrate on fewer things. But you are less at the mercy of …events. If I say look we’re going to work on economic empowerment of poor people, on fighting aids and other diseases, on trying to bridge the religious and political differences between people and on trying to avoid the worst calamities of climate change and try to revitalize the economy in the process, I can actually do that. Because tomorrow when I get up and there’s a bad headline in the papers, it’s President Bush’s responsibility and not mine. That’s the joy of being a former potus. And it is true that if you live long enough and have discipline in the way you do it — like this CGI — you might be able to effect as many lives as you did when president.

    WALLACE: When we announced that you were going to be on fox news Sunday, I got a lot of email from viewers, and I got to say I was surprised most of them wanted me to ask you this question. Why didn’t you do more to put Bin Laden and al Qaeda out of business when you were President. There’s a new book out which I suspect you’ve read called the Looming Tower. And it talks about how the fact that when you pulled troops out of Somalia in 1993, Bin Laden said I have seen the frailty and the weakness and the cowardice of US troops. Then there was the bombing of the embassies in Africa and the attack on the USS Cole.

    CLINTON: OK..

    WALLACE: …may I just finish the question sir. And after the attack, the book says, Bin Laden separated his leaders because he expected an attack and there was no response. I understand that hindsight is 20 20.

    CLINTON: No let’s talk about…

    WALLACE: …but the question is why didn’t you do more, connect the dots and put them out of business?

    CLINTON: OK, let’s talk about it. I will answer all of those things on the merits but I want to talk about the context of which this…arises. I’m being asked this on the FOX network…ABC just had a right wing conservative on the Path to 9/11 falsely claim that it was based on the 911 commission report with three things asserted against me that are directly contradicted by the 9/11 commission report. [B]I think it’s very interesting that all the conservative Republicans who now say that I didn’t do enough, claimed that I was obsessed with Bin Laden. All of President Bush’s neocons claimed that I was too obsessed with finding Bin Laden when they didn’t have a single meeting about Bin Laden for the nine months after I left office. All the right wingers who now say that I didn’t do enough said that I did too much. Same people.[/B]

    [B]They were all trying to get me to withdraw from Somalia in 1993 the next day after we were involved in black hawk down and I refused to do it and stayed 6 months and had an orderly transfer to the UN.[/B]

    [B]Ok, now let’s look at all the criticisms: Black hawk down, Somalia. There is not a living soul in the world who thought that Bin laden had anything to do with black hawk down or was paying any attention to it or even knew al Qaeda was a growing concern in October of 1993.[/B]

    WALLACE: …I understand…

    CLINTON: [B]No wait…no wait…Don’t tell me. You asked me why I didn’t do more to Bin Laden. There was not a living soul…all the people who criticized me wanted to leave the next day. You brought this up so you get an answer.[/B]

    WALLACE: I’m perfectly happy to. Bin Laden says…

    CLINTON: And secondly…

    WALLACE: Bin Laden says…

    CLINTON: Bin laden may have said that…

    WALLACE: Bin Laden says it showed the weakness of the US…

    CLINTON:[B] It would have shown the weakness if we left right away but he wasn’t involved in that. That’s just a bunch of bull. That was about Mohammed Adid, a Muslim war lord murdering..thousands of Pakistani Muslim troops. We were all there on a humanitarian mission. We had not one mission — none — to establish a certain kind of Somali government or to keep anybody out. He was not a religious fanatic.[/B]

    WALLACE: But Mr. President…

    CLINTON: There was no Al Qaeda…

    WALLACE: …with respect if I may. Instead of going through 93.

    CLINTON: You asked you. It you brought it up.

    WALLACE: May I ask a general question that you can answer. The 9/11 Commission, which you talk about, and this is what they did say, not what ABC pretended they said…

    CLINTON: Wait, Wait…

    WALLACE: …they said about you and 43 and I quote, “The US government took the threat seriously, not in the sense of mustering anything like that would be….to confront an enemy of the first, second or third rank”

    CLINTON: That’s not true with us and Bin Laden…

    WALLACE: …the 9/11 commission says…

    CLINTON: Let’s look at what Richard Clarke says. You think Richard Clarke has a vigorous attitude about Bin Laden?

    WALLACE: Yes I do

    CLINTON: You do?

    WALLACE: I think he has a variety of opinions and loyalties but yes.

    CLINTON: He has a variety of opinion and loyalties now but let’s look at the facts. He worked for Ronald Regan. He was loyal to him. He worked for George Herbert Walker Bush and he was loyal to him. He worked for me and he was loyal to me. He worked for President Bush; he was loyal to him. [B]They downgraded him and the terrorist operation.[/B] Now, look what he said, read his book and read his factual assertions — not opinions, assertions. He said we took vigorous action after the African embassies. We probably nearly got Bin Laden.

    WALLACE: …

    CLINTON: Now wait a minute…

    WALLACE: ..cruise missiles..

    CLINTON: [B]I authorized the CIA to get groups together to try to kill him. The CIA was run by George Tenet who President Bush gave the medal of freedom to and said he did a good job.. The country never had a comprehensive anti terror operation until I came to office. If you can criticize me for one thing, you can criticize me for this, after the Cole I had battle plans drawn to go into Afghanistan, overthrow the Taliban, and launch a full scale attack search for Bin Laden. But we needed baseing rights in Uzbekistan which we got after 9/11. The CIA and the FBI refused to certify that Bin Laden was responsible while I was there. They refused to certify. So that meant I would have had to send a few hundred special forces in helicopters and refuel at night. Even the 9/11 Commission didn’t do that. Now the 9/11 Commission was a political document too. All I’m asking is if anybody wants to say I didn’t do enough, you read Richard Clarke’s book.[/B]

    WALLACE: [B]Do you think you did enough sir?[/B]

    CLINTON: [B]No, because I didn’t get him[/B]

    WALLACE: Right…

    CLINTON: [B]But at least I tried. That’s the difference in me and some, including all the right wingers who are attacking me now. They ridiculed me for trying. They had eight months to try and they didn’t….. I tired. So I tried and failed. When I failed I left a comprehensive anti-terror strategy and the best guy in the country, Dick Clarke… So you did FOX’s bidding on this show. You did you nice little conservative hit job on me. But what I want to know[/B]..

    WALLACE: Now wait a minute sir…

    CLINTON:..

    WALLACE: I asked a question. You don’t think that’s a legitimate question?

    CLINTON: It was a perfectly legitimate question but I want to know how many people in the Bush administration you asked this question of.[B] I want to know how many people in the Bush administration you asked why didn’t you do anything about the Cole. I want to know how many you asked why did you fire Dick Clarke. I want to know…[/B]
    WALLACE: We asked..

    CLINTON:..

    WALLACE: Do you ever watch Fox News Sunday sir?

    CLINTON: I don’t believe you ask them that.

    WALLACE: We ask plenty of questions of…

    CLINTON: You didn’t ask that did you? Tell the truth

    WALLACE: About the USS Cole?

    CLINTON: tell the truth.

    WALLACE: I…with Iraq and Afghanistan there’s plenty of stuff to ask.

    CLINTON: [B]Did you ever ask that? You set this meeting up because you were going to get a lot of criticism from your viewers because Rupert Murdoch is going to get a lot of criticism from your viewers for supporting my work on Climate Change. And you came here under false pretenses and said that you’d spend half the time talking about…[/B]
    WALLACE: [laughs]

    CLINTON: You said you’d spend half the time talking about what we did out there to raise $7 billion dollars plus over three days from 215 different commitments. And you don’t care.

    WALLACE: But President Clinton…

    CLINTON:

    WALLACE: We were going to ask half the question about it. I didn’t think this was going to set you off on such a tear .

    CLINTON: It set me off on such a tear because you didn’t formulate it in an honest way and you people ask me questions you don’t ask the other side.

    WALLACE: Sir that is not true…

    CLINTON: …and Richard Clarke…

    WALLACE: That is not true…

    CLINTON: Richard Clarke made it clear in his testimony…

    WALLACE: Would you like to talk about the Clinton Global Initiative?

    CLINTON: No I want to finish this.

    WALLACE: Alright

    CLINTON:[B] All I’m saying is you falsely accuse me of giving aid and comfort to Bin Laden because of what happened in Somalia. No one knew al Qaeda existed then…[/B]

    WALLACE: Did they know in 1996 when he declared war on the US? Did no one know in 1998…

    CLINTON: Absolutely they did

    WALLACE: When they bombed the two embassies…

    CLINTON:…

    WALLACE: Or in 2000 when they hit the Cole.

    CLINTON:[B] What did I do? I worked hard to try and kill him. I authorized a finding for the CIA to kill him. We contracted with people to kill him. I got closer to killing him than anybody has gotten since. And if I were still president we’d have more than 20,000 troops there trying to kill him. Now I never criticized President Bush and I don’t think this is useful. But you know we do have a government that think Afghanistan is 1/7 as important as Iraq. And you ask me about terror and Al Qaeda with that sort of dismissive theme when all you have to do is read Richard Clarke’s book to look at what we did in a comprehensive systematic way to try to protect the country against terror. And you’ve got that little smirk on your face. It looks like you’re so clever…[/B]
    WALLACE: [Laughs]

    CLINTON:[B] I had responsibility for trying to protect this country.[U] I tried and I failed to get bin laden. I regret it but I did try. And I did everything I thought I responsibly could. [/U] The entire military was against sending special forces in to Afghanistan and refueling by helicopter and no one thought we could do it otherwise…We could not get the CIA and the FBI to certify that Al Qaeda was responsible while I was President. Until I left office. And yet I get asked about this all the time and they had three times as much time to get him as I did and no one ever asks them about this. I think that’s strange.[/B]
    WALLACE: Can I ask you about the Clinton Global Initiative?

    CLINTON: You can.

    WALLACE: I always intended to sir.

    CLINTON: No you intended to move your bones by doing this first. But I don’t mind people asking me. I actually talked o the 9/11 commission for four hours and I told them the mistakes I thought I made. And I urged them to make those mistakes public because I thought none of us had been perfect. But instead of anybody talking about those things. I always get these clever little political…where they ask me one sided questions… It always comes from one source. And so…

    WALLACE:…

    CLINTON: And so…

    WALLACE: I just want to ask you about the Clinton Global Initiative but what’s the source? You seem upset?

    CLINTON: I am upset because..

    WALLACE: …and all I can say is I’m asking you in good faith because it’s on people’s minds sir. And I wasn’t…

    CLINTON: There’s a reason it’s on people’s minds. That’s the point I’m trying to make. There’s a reason it’s on people’s minds because they’ve done a serious disinformation campaign to create that impression. This country only has one person who has worked…against terror…under Regan…only one, Richard Clarke. And all I’d say anybody who wonders whether we did wrong or right. Anybody who wants to see what everybody else did, read his book. The people on my political right who say I didn’t do enough spent the whole time I was president saying why is he so obsessed with Bin Laden. And that was wag the dog when he tried to kill him. My Republican sec of defense — and I think I’m the only person since World War II to have a Secretary of Defense from the opposite party — Richard Clarke, and all the intelligence people said that I ordered a vigorous attempt to get Osama Bin Laden and came closer apparently than anybody has since.

    WALLACE: alright…

    CLINTON: And you guys try to create the opposite impression when all you have to do is read Richard Clarke’s findings and you know it’s not true. It’s just not true. And all this business about Somalia — the same people who criticized me about Somalia were demanding I leave the next day. Same exact crowd..

    WALLACE: one of the…

    CLINTON: …So if you’re going to do this for gods sake follow the same standards for everybody.

    WALLACE: I think we do sir

    CLINTON: …be fair.

    WALLACE: I think we do. One of the main parts of the global initiative this year is religious reconciliation. President Bush says that the fight against Islamic extremism is the central conflict of the century and his answer is promoting democracy and reform. Do you think he has that right?

    CLINTON: Sure. To advocate democracy and reform in the Muslim world? Absolutely. I think the question is what’s the best way to do it. I think also the question is how do you educate people about democracy. Democracy is about way more than majority rule. Democracy is about minority rights, individual rights, restraints on power. And there’s more than one way to advance democracy but do I think on balance that in the end after several bouts of instability do I think it would be better if we had more freedom and democracy? Sure I do. …The president has a right to do it? Sure I do. But I don’t think that’s all we can do in the Muslim world. I think they have to see us try to get a just and righteous peace in the Middle East. They have to see us as willing to talk to people who see the world differently than we do.

    WALLACE: Last year at this conference you got 2.5 billion in commitments, pledges, how did you do this year?

    CLINTON: Well this year we had 7.3 billion as of this morning.

    WALLACE: 7..excuse me…

    CLINTON: 7.3 billion as of this morning. 3 billion of that is. That’s over a multi-year. These are at most 10 year commitments. That came from Richard Branson’s commitment to give all his transportation profits to clean energy investments. But still that’s over 4 billion. And we will have another 100 commitments and probably raise another billion dollars. We have a lot of commitments still in process.

    WALLACE: When you look at the 3 billion from Branson plus billions that Gates is giving and Warren Buffet, what do you make of this age of philanthropy?

    CLINTON: I think that for one thing really rich people have always given money away. They’ve endowed libraries and things like that. The unique thing about this age is first of all you have a lot of people like Bill Gates and Warren Buffet who are interested in issues around the world that grow out of the nature of the 21st century and its inequalities — the income inequalities, the education inequalities, the health care inequalities. You get a guy like Gates who built Microsoft and he actually believes that he can help overcome all of the health disparities in the world. That’s the first thing. Second thing…there are a lot of people with average incomes who are joining me because of the Internet. Take the tsuami for example we had 1.3 billion dollars given….by households. The third things you have all these NGO that you can partner with along with the government. So all these things together mean that people with real money in ways that help people that before would have been only the object of government grants and loans.

    WALLACE: I know we’re over but can I ask you two political questions. Let’s talk some politics. In that same New Yorker article you say you’re tired of Karl Rove’s BS. I’ m cleaning up what you said.

    CLINTON: I also say I’m not tired of Karl Rove. I don’t blame Karl Rove. If you’ve got a deal that works you just keep on doing it.

    WALLACE: So what is the BS?

    CLINTON: well every even number year right before an election they come up with some security issue. In 2000 right before the election …In 2002 our party supported them in undertaking weapon inspections in Iraq and were 100% behind them in Afghanistan and they didn’t have any way to make us look like we didn’t care about terror. And so they decided they would…the homeland security bill that they opposed and they put some pill in it that we wouldn’t pass like taking the job rights away from 170,000 people and then say that we were weak on terror if we weren’t for it… This year I think they wanted to make the question of prisoner treatment and intercepted communications the same sort of issue until John Warner came and Lindsey Graham got in there and it turns out there were some Republicans who believe in the constitution and their convictions…some ideas about how best to fight terror.

    As long as the American people believe that we take this seriously and we may have our differences over Iraq but I think we’ll do fine this election. Even if they agree with us about the Iraq war we could be hurt by Karl Rove’s new foray if we don’t make it clear that we care about the security of this country. We want to implement the 9/11 commission recommendations which they haven’t in four years. We want to…Afghanistan against Bin Laden. We want to make America more energy independent. If they want to talk about Iraq say what they really want about Iraq.

    But Rove is good and why I honor him…I’ve always been amused by how good he is. But on the other hand this is perfectly predictable. We’re going to win a lot of seats if the American people aren’t afraid. If they’re afraid and we get divided again then we’ll only win a few seats.

    WALLACE: [B]Do you think the White House and the Republicans want to make the American people afraid.[/B]

    CLINTON: [B]Of course they do. They want another homeland security bill and they want to make it not about Iraq but some other security issue. Where if we disagree with them we are by definition endangering the security of the country. And it’s a big load of huey. We’ve got 9 Iraq war veterans running for House Seats. President Reagan’s Secretary of the Navy is the democratic candidate for Senate in Virginia. A three star admiral who was on my NSC staff — who also fought terror by the way — is running for the seat of Kurt Weldon’s in Pennsylvania. We’ve got a huge military presence in this campaign and you can’t let them have some rhetorical device that puts us in a box that we don’t belong in. That’s their job. Their job is to beat us. But our job is to not let them get away with it and if we don;’t we’ll be fine.[/B]
    WALLACE: Mr. President thank you for one of the more unusual interviews[/QUOTE]

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    you're right....it is GREAT!!!

    sounds to me like billy blow job has got a guilty conscience.....all he does is further prove how incompetent he was handling the security of America....

    let's see here- bin laden sits in comfort in Afgahnistan, pulling off attack after attack....the Clinton administration from June, 1998 Khobar Towers attack through the 10/2000 USS Cole attack have numerous opportunites to kill bin-laden....in one instance the Sudanees are are willing to hand him over but billy blow job willing admits he "had no legal justification to take him"....

    And after 30 months of incomptence, failure and not doing anything during his second term he's gonna shift blame on people who were in charge for seven months??

    This is going to go over great....guess billy blow job was feeling the heat from the mini-series...thank you bubba- perfectly timed!!

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    this is truly comical....

    [QUOTE][B]Clinton faults Bush for inaction on bin Laden
    Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:42pm ET[/B]

    By Joanne Morrison

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Former President Bill Clinton, angrily defending his efforts to capture Osama bin Laden, accused the Bush administration of doing far less to stop the al Qaeda leader before the September 11 attacks.

    In a heated interview to be aired on Sunday on "Fox News Sunday," the former Democratic president [B]defended the steps he took after al Qaeda's attack on the USS Cole in 2000 and faulted "right-wingers" for their criticism of his efforts to capture Osama bin Laden[/B].

    "But at least I tried. That's the difference in me and some, including all of the right-wingers who are attacking me now," Clinton said when asked whether he had failed to fully anticipate bin Laden's danger. "They had eight months to try, they did not try. I tried. So I tried and failed."
    [/QUOTE]

    so he took steps three months before he was to leave office....what about the prior two and a half years when bin-laden was holding press conferences declaring war on America, planning attacks then carrying them out???

    [QUOTE]

    The September 11 attacks occurred almost eight months after President George W. Bush succeeded Clinton in January 2001.

    "I authorized the CIA to get groups together to try to kill him," Clinton said. He added he had drawn up plans to go into Afghanistan to overthrow the Taliban and launch an attack against bin Laden after the attack on the Cole in the Yemeni port of Aden.

    "Now if you want to criticize me for one thing, you can criticize me for this: after the Cole, I had battle plans drawn to go into Afghanistan, overthrow the Taliban and launch a full-scale attack search for bin Laden. But we needed basing rights in Uzbekistan -- which we got after 9/11," Clinton said.

    [/QUOTE]

    classic.....weren't the rats screaming "Bush outsourced our security!!! Bush outsourced our security!!!""

    [QUOTE]The former president complained at the time the CIA and FBI refused to certify bin Laden was responsible for the USS Cole attack.

    "While I was there, they refused to certify. So that meant I would have had to send a few hundred special forces in helicopters, refuel at night," he said.

    Earlier this month, Clinton dismissed as "indisputably wrong" a U.S. television show that suggested her was too distracted by the Monica Lewinsky scandal to confront the Islamic militant threat that culminated in the September 11 attacks.
    [/QUOTE]

    Louis Freeh would disagree with this...hey Bubba; what about the drones that spotted bin laden and could've fried his towel head??

    Like I said- clinton's got a guilty conscience....he should've left well enough alone- this will be killer.....

    [url]http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=topNews&storyid=2006-09-23T080421Z_01_N22174760_RTRUKOC_0_US-SECURITY-CLINTON.xml&src=rss[/url]

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    It's about time Clinton is starting to feel heat about his "do nothing" approach to terrorism. BTW, after the 1st World Trade Center attack, can some of his apologists tell me when he visited the site?

    He didn't.....because the Clinton administration treated it as legal issue not a terror issue.
    Last edited by JetsFanatic; 09-23-2006 at 01:47 PM.

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    [QUOTE=JetsFanatic]It's about time Clinton is starting to feel heat about his "do nothing" approach to terrorism. BTW, after the 1st World Trade Center attack, can some of his apologists tell me when he visited the site?

    He didn't.....because the Clinton administration treated it as legal issue not a terror issue.[/QUOTE]

    The 1st WTC attack occured 4 Friggin Weeks into the Clinton administration (I Guess Reagan and GHWB are to be blamed for doing nothing in the time leading up to this). Yes Clinton did do something. He caught the mastermind behind the plot and put him in jail where he is sitting as we speak. Whats happening with OBL and al Zawahiri? O h yeah they are still around and their influence leading to attacks western interests in Spain, the UK, and Saudi Arabia. Way to go !

    BTW, for all the tough rhetoric what did Bush do in the 9 mos prior to 9/11 to get the men responsible for the cole attack as he prommissed? I mean besides cutting FBI funding and dismantling the anti-terrorism operation Clinton started?

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    [QUOTE]so he took steps three months before he was to leave office....what about the prior two and a half years when bin-laden was holding press conferences declaring war on America, planning attacks then carrying them out???[/QUOTE]

    He was fighting with the Republican congress who thought Clinton was making OBL a greater threat than he really was. The conartists were to busy trying to impeach the President for a BJ that they couldnt care less about OBL.

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    I love the tone that Clinton took in the interview. It's about time that Democrats got angry and fight back the Rove tactics that paint them weak on terrorism and defending the homeland. Clinton did try much more than Bush did before 9/11 and after 9/11 it didn't take long for Bush to get diverted from fighting AQ to Iraq and creating a destablized area for terrorists to thrive.

    The Democrats need to take the offensive and stop being so passive. There is no way on Earth that Bush should be leading in the polls on who is more effective in fighting terrorism. He has been a disaster.

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    [QUOTE=Queens Jet Fan]I love the tone that Clinton took in the interview. It's about time that Democrats got angry and fight back the Rove tactics that paint them weak on terrorism and defending the homeland. Clinton did try much more than Bush did before 9/11 and after 9/11 it didn't take long for Bush to get diverted from fighting AQ to Iraq and creating a destablized area for terrorists to thrive.

    The Democrats need to take the offensive and stop being so passive. There is no way on Earth that Bush should be leading in the polls on who is more effective in fighting terrorism. He has been a disaster.[/QUOTE]

    ???
    now Rodneys dead, you can go for his crown
    of getting no respect

    Democrats and their sycophants are strong on terrorism and defending the homeland how, exactly?
    By trying to replace Joe Lieberman with Ned Lamont?
    By voting to give enemies & illegals equal rights to/of US citizens?
    By trying to reveal every possible secret program we have
    for anything?

    clinton did bupkus to keep America safe
    keep yourself amused for hours while you do the
    research looking for something

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    [QUOTE=kennyo7]The 1st WTC attack occured 4 Friggin Weeks into the Clinton administration (I Guess Reagan and GHWB are to be blamed for doing nothing in the time leading up to this). Yes Clinton did do something. He caught the mastermind behind the plot and put him in jail where he is sitting as we speak. Whats happening with OBL and al Zawahiri? O h yeah they are still around and their influence leading to attacks western interests in Spain, the UK, and Saudi Arabia. Way to go !

    BTW, for all the tough rhetoric what did Bush do in the 9 mos prior to 9/11 to get the men responsible for the cole attack as he prommissed? I mean besides cutting FBI funding and dismantling the anti-terrorism operation Clinton started?[/QUOTE]

    Bush was President for 8 months prior to the 9/11/01 attacks, Clinton was President for 8 years.

    The Clinton administration's efforts concerning world wide terror were minimal at best.

    Concerning the 1st World Trade Center attack in 1993, the Clinton administration was "reactive" not "proactive". Technically your correct the person/people immediately responsible for the attack were caught. However, lets understand that this attack was wrongly treated as a local criminal case [I]not a terror case.[/I] What Clinton should have done was make sure an attack like that did not occur again. [B]HE DIDN"T. HE FAILED!!! [/B]

    He was satisfied that the local people responsible for carrying out this attack were caught but made no more then token attempts, if that, to actually root out the main cause. [B]Lets say he treated the symptom not the cause.[/B]

    [B]As I stated earlier, it's finally starting to appear that the American public is recognizing how weak his administration was on terror. [/B] That is why he is now becoming so defensive.
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    under Bush..
    1)The worst attack on America ever..Even though they were warned for months, they did nothing..
    2)Instead of getting al qeada, Bush pulls special forces from Kabul and send them after Saddam's gun...killing tens upon tens of thousand of innocent iraquis for no reason..
    3) Afghan is now a narco state with Karzai in charhe of Kabul and nowhere else...
    4) Little BUsh then watches as Iraq descends into civil war..
    5) North Korea now has nukes
    6) Iran is close
    7) Islamic Fascism has been spread by little bush, not wiped out.
    He's the worst unelected president this country has ever seen..

    and some morons here love him b/c he's republican..

    you guys are morons

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    clinton is becoming as pathetic as jimmy carter...

    [QUOTE]Clinton Says Republicans `Rediscover' bin Laden Before Election

    By Kristin Jensen and Michael Forsythe

    Sept. 22 (Bloomberg) -- Former President Bill Clinton accused the Republicans of using scare tactics on terrorism and national security issues to try to neutralize the Democrats' advantage in this year's elections.

    ``They rediscover bin Laden every two years right before the election,'' Clinton, 60, said of Osama bin Laden, the mastermind behind the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks who is still at large. The former president acknowledged the Republican strategy, which he said is directed by White House aide Karl Rove, has had some success.

    ``If you had a business strategy that worked all the time that was premised on scaring the living daylights out of people, you just keep doing it,'' Clinton said in an interview with Bloomberg TV's ``Political Capital With Al Hunt,'' scheduled to air this weekend. ``It's our responsibility to figure out how to puncture it.''

    Republicans held a 17-point lead over Democrats on handling the war on terror and national security, according to a Sept. 16-19 Bloomberg/Los Angeles Times poll.

    Even so, Clinton said he expects Democrats ultimately will counter the issue and capture control of the House in the Nov. 7 elections. He also gave his party a 30 percent chance of picking up the six seats needed to gain a majority in the Senate. Democrats need a net pickup of 15 seats to win the House.

    To prevail, Democrats have to emphasize that they have a different strategy for battling terrorism, Clinton said. That includes ``beefing up our efforts'' in Afghanistan, carrying out the recommendations of a committee that investigated the Sept. 11 attacks and seeking alternatives to foreign oil, he said.

    `Just Fine'

    ``All we have to do is say terrorism is a threat; here is what we're going to do about it, say what we're going to do about it, and we'll do just fine,'' said Clinton, who's been traveling the country to support Democratic candidates. ``Otherwise, their argument really is, no matter how bad you think we are, you've got to be so scared of them you've got to leave us in there.''

    Clinton said he's not surprised that Rove, one of President George W. Bush's closest advisers, uses the tactic because it succeeds. ``It's working because we haven't given an effective answer,'' Clinton said. ``It's scandalous.'' Clinton added that he doesn't blame Rove for using a tactic that works.

    Tracey Schmitt, a spokeswoman for the Republican National Committee, said in an e-mailed response that Democrats' ``policies would concede the central front in the war on terror, while stripping our nation of the tools we need to protect America, making our nation less safe.''

    Congress

    Voters at the moment favor Democrats across the country, according to the recent Bloomberg/Los Angeles Times poll. When asked which party should control Congress, 48 percent of respondents chose Democrats and 39 percent picked Republicans.

    Asked about possible surprises in the election, Clinton said Representative Harold Ford has a shot of winning his race for the U.S. Senate in Tennessee and James Webb, who served as Navy Secretary under former Republican President Ronald Reagan, may unseat Republican Senator George Allen in Virginia.

    The former president also spoke about potential contenders for the White House in 2008. Clinton, whose wife, Senator Hillary Clinton of New York, is mentioned as a Democratic contender, said Senator John McCain of Arizona and Governor Mitt Romney of Massachusetts had the best chance of winning the Republican nomination.

    Both McCain and Romney have supported policies that go against their party. McCain has opposed some tax cuts and this week fought a Bush administration plan on interrogating detainees, and Romney signed a universal health-care law for his state, the first in the nation.

    `Ironic'

    ``It would be ironic if, in order to be competitive, the Republicans had to nominate someone more moderate and repudiate the strategy that had gotten them the Congress in '94 and gotten them the White House twice,'' Clinton said.

    Clinton also spoke about remarks he made in a New Yorker magazine article published earlier this month, in which he questioned whether it's too early for first-term Democratic Senator Barack Obama of Illinois, 45, to run for president.

    ``He's an immensely appealing man,'' Clinton said of Obama. ``You have to ask yourself, if I win this thing, will I be ready? You've got to be able to at least look yourself in the eye and say, `I will not be letting my country down if I get this job.''

    Clinton spoke from his three-day Global Initiative summit in New York of business and government leaders. The summit, designed to address issues from poverty to climate change, has won $7 billion in commitments for programs from Clinton, business executives and companies.

    To contact the reporters on this story: Michael Forsythe in Washington at [email]mforsythe@bloomberg.net[/email] ; Kristin Jensen in Washington [email]kjensen@bloomberg.net[/email] ;
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    bj has set himself up for disaster....

    all next week the stories of the opportunities mr. woulda/shoulda/coulda let slip by to kill bin laden during his second term will be all over the news....

    he shoulda just shut up- but as everyone know bj needs the spotlight...

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    [QUOTE=bman]under Bush..
    1)The worst attack on America ever..Even though they were warned for months, they did nothing..
    2)Instead of getting al qeada, Bush pulls special forces from Kabul and send them after Saddam's gun...killing tens upon tens of thousand of innocent iraquis for no reason..
    3) Afghan is now a narco state with Karzai in charhe of Kabul and nowhere else...
    4) Little BUsh then watches as Iraq descends into civil war..
    5) North Korea now has nukes
    6) Iran is close
    7) Islamic Fascism has been spread by little bush, not wiped out.
    He's the worst unelected president this country has ever seen..

    and some morons here love him b/c he's republican..

    you guys are morons[/QUOTE]

    poor lil dumbrenmarinemanin04....
    a textbook case of stockholm syndrome

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    You quite possibly may be the most idiotic a-hole on this board...


    this is truth..
    UNDER LITTLE BUSH

    1)The worst attack on America ever..Even though they were warned for months, they did nothing..
    2)Instead of getting al qeada, Bush pulls special forces from Kabul and send them after Saddam's gun...killing tens upon tens of thousand of innocent iraquis for no reason..(yet, americans dont care)
    3) Afghan is now a narco state with Karzai in charge of Kabul and nowhere else...
    4) Little BUsh then watches as Iraq descends into civil war..
    5) North Korea now has nukes
    6) Iran is close
    7) Islamic Fascism has been spread by little bush, not wiped out.
    He's the worst unelected president this country has ever seen..

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    I don't think that article was long enough if Clinton was going to admit all his wrongs during his presidency... :D

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    Billy Boy Blue Dress sounding VERY defensive here.

    Hmmmm..........

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    [QUOTE=bman]

    this is truth..
    UNDER LITTLE BUSH

    [/QUOTE]


    Evidently, you like to quote Saddam Hussein. :eek:

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    [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wvo2lQe81xk"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wvo2lQe81xk[/url]

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    This is HILARIOUS.

    Anyone who thinks Clinton did enough to fight terrorism during his term is blinded by loyalty to the Democrat Party. Period.

    Clinton can get fiesty and try to spin and you guys can lap it up all you want. You know as well as we all do that he didn't do enough. He is so defensive because he obviously didn't do enough. Why did Sandy Berger steal and then destroy original classified documents? I mean, all of those documents probably helped to prove just how "comprehensive" Clinton's anti-terror programs were, right? You guys are HYSTERICAL. Spin away.

    I know kenny is a mouth-foamer who is incapable of even the thought of Clinton making any real mistakes, but I am saddened by Queens. I thought you weren't a Paint By Numbers democrat, but I guess you are.

    Hey, Reagan didn't do enough, Bush 41 didn't....Clinton didn't. Admit it, accept it and move on. This is honestly embarassing. You guys are simply parrots. You rip Fox but believe every word out of Clinton's mouth.

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    [QUOTE=jets5ever]This is HILARIOUS.

    Anyone who thinks Clinton did enough to fight terrorism during his term is blinded by loyalty to the Democrat Party. Period.

    Clinton can get fiesty and try to spin and you guys can lap it up all you want. You know as well as we all do that he didn't do enough. He is so defensive because he obviously didn't do enough. Why did Sandy Berger steal and then destroy original classified documents? I mean, all of those documents probably helped to prove just how "comprehensive" Clinton's anti-terror programs were, right? You guys are HYSTERICAL. Spin away.

    I know kenny is a mouth-foamer who is incapable of even the thought of Clinton making any real mistakes, but I am saddened by Queens. I thought you weren't a Paint By Numbers democrat, but I guess you are.

    Hey, Reagan didn't do enough, Bush 41 didn't....Clinton didn't. Admit it, accept it and move on. This is honestly embarassing. You guys are simply parrots. You rip Fox but believe every word out of Clinton's mouth.[/QUOTE]
    George you are definately right about Clinton not doing enough, but there are facts out there and you may call me a parrot but you are certainly in your dellusional state of buying into the Bush propaganda that he is fighting the war on terror and that Iraq is the center of that war and its making us safer.

    Of course Clinton didn't do enough but when Clinton spoke to Bush when transfering power he told him to keep his eye on OBL and that he is our biggest threat right now. Bush completely ignored him and did sh*t till 9/11 despite receiving much chatter of an impending attack.

    Talk about me painting by the numbers? You just reflexively attack all evidence of what Clinton tried and excuse all inaction by W and say despite all evidence by our intelligence community to the contrary that Iraq is the right battle.

    How can you say admit it and move on when that is the central theme of the Republican campaign this fall. The Democrats have to go on the offensive and convince the American people of how the war on terror is being misguided. Sure throw your hand up and say nobody did enough but the real question is what to do now and our President is so off the mark on that and the country must hear it.

    Where is your voice Jets5ever on how this is being bungled? I'm listening.
    Last edited by Queens Jet Fan; 09-24-2006 at 12:15 PM.

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    to paraphrase jean f. kerri,
    clinton planned to do something,
    before doing nothing

    so what excatly DID Clinton do to fight terror?
    write up a paper on Iraqi Regime Change?
    bomb an aspirin factory or a few empty tents?

    Yeah, "chatter" my tuchus
    The USS Cole. a Ship with US Armed Forces on it
    Bombed & servicemen killed
    [b]with ZERO response[/b]
    Followed by a pardon of PR terrorist/bombers
    Yes BJ was a great man

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