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    The real reason democrats won't win in November

    President Bush is one of the most unpopular and disliked presidents in American history.

    All the polls suggest that the Republicans are finished as a party.

    However, when the November elections are over, the republicans will likely still be in control of all branches of government.

    How can this be? One word.

    DIEBOLD

    a simple google search will give you all the info you'll need to know.

    [URL=http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/11717105/robert_f_kennedy_jr__will_the_next_election_be_hacked]http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/11717105/robert_f_kennedy_jr__will_the_next_election_be_hacked[/URL]

    [URL=http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/14/researchers-show-diebold-voting-machines-unsecure-citizens-shoc/]http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/14/researchers-show-diebold-voting-machines-unsecure-citizens-shoc/[/URL]

    I am predicting that just like in '04 when underdog republicans, including the president, scored some huge "upsets" in key states like Ohio, Colorado, and Georgia, (all of which used the diebold machines) come November, this trend will continue.

    I want so bad to be wrong about this, but my research has lead me to believe that our democracy has long been compromised.

    Here is something for all the right-wingers who are going to criticize, minimize and label me as some sort of wacko. This is from your favorite TV network, fox news.

    [URL=http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=diebold&search=Search]http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=diebold&search=Search[/URL]
    Now do you honestly believe that the makers of this machine don’t know how easy it is to manipulate? It’s amazing to me how even when confronted with indisputable empirical proof that these machines can be manipulated, diebold still maintains that their machines are 100% incorruptible.

    Who’s the crackpot now?

    BTW, the reason I believe that these machines will be used to give republicans and not democrats an advantage is simple. 1- I’ve done my research, and I encourage everyone to check out the election results in states or districts, which used these machines in 04, specifically Ohio. 2-the president and CEO of Diebold, Walden O’Dell is a big time contributor to the GOP and a frequent guest at Bush’s Texas ranch. O’Dell is also on record as saying, during the ’04 campaign, that he is committed “to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president.” And finally, 3-The unexplained exit poll discrepancy.

    I suggest everyone do the research and come to their own conclusions.
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    O'Dell is no longer associated with Diebold.....


    The Economist has a good article about this in the most recent edition. BTW, The reason Democrats will not come into power has nothing to do with any fraud. It sadly is they do not provide any sort of alternative besides "Bush Sucks"

    This is an issue, but not the one that will keep Democrats from taking power

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    From The Economist print edition

    The wrong kind of voting machine could bring chaos to the mid-term elections

    ReutersTHE polls go up, the polls go down and there are still more than three weeks to go: time for any amount of sleaze or terror to influence the voters. But it is quite possible that America's mid-term elections on November 7th will produce a close result, not just in the House of Representatives, where it has long been predicted, but in the Senate too. At which point things could get fraught.

    The problem is voting machines. Not the ones with hole-punches and their chads, hanging, swinging and dimpled. Since the debacle of 2000 in Florida federal money to the tune of several billion dollars has been lavished on replacing them. Unfortunately, many have been replaced with new ones that may be even worse. In a close election the prospect of just a handful of the 435 House seats or one or two of the 33 Senate seats at stake being furiously challenged in court is all too plausible. Like the presidency in 2000, the colour of Congress could have to be decided by lawyers.

    How could this have happened? Mainly because lots of states and counties went for touch-screen devices, very like ATMs, instead of a much better alternative, optical scanners that count votes marked by hand on paper ballots, rather like lottery forms or multiple-choice exam papers. The good thing about scanners is that the original ballot is by definition available for re-counting. With touch-screens, it isn't. Fortunately, more than half of America's 3,000-odd counties have opted for scanners. But about a third have chosen the touch-screens.

    A thermal printer to produce a record is available as an added extra on some touch-screen machines. But when these were tried out, as they have been across the country in primary elections in the past few months, the results were not encouraging. If the paper is put in wrongly, the printer does not print at all. Even when it was the right way round, there were many cases of the paper jamming, tearing or producing unreadable results. The fact that most election officials are unpaid volunteers, very often elderly and with little or no training, also caused difficulties. At any rate, with a touch-screen system the paper-trail is produced by the machine, and so is only as good as the machine. And the machines, it also turns out, may be vulnerable to tampering.

    In September three scientists at Princeton University got hold of the most popular touch-screen model and took it and its software to bits. They found serious flaws allowing a competent hacker to infect the machine with a program to transfer votes from one candidate to another. Such a change could be undetectable without a recount (assuming one were possible), and the program could be introduced into the machine far in advance by anyone having access to the machine's memory-card reader for as little as a minute. The readers are protected by a lock, but the lock is a standard one, and keys can be bought on the internet: besides, the keys circulate among election officials. And the researchers found that their program could be spread from machine to machine via the memory-cards. Voting-machine companies make things worse by keeping their software secret: were it published, security experts would be able to assess it and recommend fixes.

    Pray for a clear result—and then buy some decent kit
    Many people will see this as a conspiracy too far, and perhaps it is. But another problem is that the machines used at polling stations have a tendency to break down. Avi Rubin, a computer science professor at Johns Hopkins University who is also an election volunteer, has blogged scarily about his experiences at the primaries in Maryland. (In his case, most of the problems occurred not with the voting machines but with other terminals, designed to ensure that people are entitled to vote and have not voted twice.) Elsewhere, there have been horror stories of votes failing to register or upload, of memory-cards going missing, and of machines crashing and losing stored votes. Only a few such cases can damage confidence badly: and crashes, at the least, cause huge delays.

    The solutions are not hard to find: a wholesale switch to paper ballots and optical scanners; more training for election officials; and open access to machine software. But it is too late for any of that this time—and that is a scandal



    [QUOTE=TheGreatMangini]President Bush is one of the most unpopular and disliked presidents in American history.

    All the polls suggest that the Republicans are finished as a party.

    However, when the November elections are over, the republicans will likely still be in control of all branches of government.

    How can this be? One word.

    DIEBOLD

    a simple google search will give you all the info you'll need to know.

    [URL=http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/11717105/robert_f_kennedy_jr__will_the_next_election_be_hacked]http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/11717105/robert_f_kennedy_jr__will_the_next_election_be_hacked[/URL]

    [URL=http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/14/researchers-show-diebold-voting-machines-unsecure-citizens-shoc/]http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/14/researchers-show-diebold-voting-machines-unsecure-citizens-shoc/[/URL]

    I am predicting that just like in '04 when underdog republicans, including the president, scored some huge "upsets" in key states like Ohio, Colorado, and Georgia, (all of which used the diebold machines) come November, this trend will continue.

    I want so bad to be wrong about this, but my research has lead me to believe that our democracy has long been compromised.

    Here is something for all the right-wingers who are going to criticize, minimize and label me as some sort of wacko. This is from your favorite TV network, fox news.

    [URL=http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=diebold&search=Search]http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=diebold&search=Search[/URL]
    Now do you honestly believe that the makers of this machine don’t know how easy it is to manipulate? It’s amazing to me how even when confronted with indisputable empirical proof that these machines can be manipulated, diebold still maintains that their machines are 100% incorruptible.

    Who’s the crackpot now?

    BTW, the reason I believe that these machines will be used to give republicans and not democrats an advantage is simple. 1- I’ve done my research, and I encourage everyone to check out the election results in states or districts, which used these machines in 04, specifically Ohio. 2-the president and CEO of Diebold, Walden O’Dell is a big time contributor to the GOP and a frequent guest at Bush’s Texas ranch. O’Dell is also on record as saying, during the ’04 campaign, that he is committed “to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president.” And finally, 3-The unexplained exit poll discrepancy.

    I suggest everyone do the research and come to their own conclusions.[/QUOTE]

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    [QUOTE=TheGreatMangini]President Bush is one of the most unpopular and disliked presidents in American history.

    All the polls suggest that the Republicans are finished as a party.

    However, when the November elections are over, the republicans will likely still be in control of all branches of government.

    How can this be? One word.

    DIEBOLD

    a simple google search will give you all the info you'll need to know.

    [URL=http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/11717105/robert_f_kennedy_jr__will_the_next_election_be_hacked]http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/11717105/robert_f_kennedy_jr__will_the_next_election_be_hacked[/URL]

    [URL=http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/14/researchers-show-diebold-voting-machines-unsecure-citizens-shoc/]http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/14/researchers-show-diebold-voting-machines-unsecure-citizens-shoc/[/URL]

    I am predicting that just like in '04 when underdog republicans, including the president, scored some huge "upsets" in key states like Ohio, Colorado, and Georgia, (all of which used the diebold machines) come November, this trend will continue.

    I want so bad to be wrong about this, but my research has lead me to believe that our democracy has long been compromised.

    Here is something for all the right-wingers who are going to criticize, minimize and label me as some sort of wacko. This is from your favorite TV network, fox news.

    [URL=http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=diebold&search=Search]http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=diebold&search=Search[/URL]
    Now do you honestly believe that the makers of this machine don’t know how easy it is to manipulate? It’s amazing to me how even when confronted with indisputable empirical proof that these machines can be manipulated, diebold still maintains that their machines are 100% incorruptible.

    Who’s the crackpot now?

    BTW, the reason I believe that these machines will be used to give republicans and not democrats an advantage is simple. 1- I’ve done my research, and I encourage everyone to check out the election results in states or districts, which used these machines in 04, specifically Ohio. 2-the president and CEO of Diebold, Walden O’Dell is a big time contributor to the GOP and a frequent guest at Bush’s Texas ranch. O’Dell is also on record as saying, during the ’04 campaign, that he is committed “to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president.” And finally, 3-The unexplained exit poll discrepancy.

    I suggest everyone do the research and come to their own conclusions.[/QUOTE]

    My God, this issue again? Why are people so ridiculous?

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    I still don't understand why voting can't be handled just like ATM machines. As a matter of fact, they should just add "voting" to all ATM machine software as it is.

    This way:

    There are plenty of ATM's to handle the masses.

    All the voters require a state ID w/ magnetic strip. Tough crap if you don't have one. Get one.

    The "strip" will allow you to get [U]YOUR[/U] ballot from ANY ATM. Eliminating the controversial Absentee ballots.

    All "transactions / votes" are recorded with a printed receipt for the voter [U]and[/U] within the machine for audit purposes and all results are tallied at the central bank overnight.

    Limited toll workers.

    It just seems too easy.
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    [QUOTE=JetFanTransplant]I still don't understand why voting can't be handled just like ATM machines. As a matter of fact, they should just add "voting" to all ATM machine software as it is.

    This way:

    There are plenty of ATM's to handle the masses.

    All the voters require a state ID w/ magnetic strip. Tough crap if you don't have one. Get one.

    The "strip" will allow you to get [U]YOUR[/U] ballot from ANY ATM. Eliminating the controversial Absentee ballots.

    All "transactions / votes" are recorded with a printed receipt for the voter [U]and[/U] within the machine for audit purposes and all results are tallied at the central bank overnight.

    Limited toll workers.

    It just seems too easy.[/QUOTE]


    ATMs are to easy to hack, they are mostly privately owned. Not that long ago a couple of Russians added a program so they could get everyones pin number and card number they stoled millions.

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    i tend to agree with this

    everyone expects democrats to win

    i don't

    GOP has Diebold in their pocket

    it doesn't take a Brain surgeon to figure out what's gonna happen

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    :zzz: [QUOTE=bitonti]i tend to agree with this

    everyone expects democrats to win

    i don't

    GOP has Diebold in their pocket

    it doesn't take a Brain surgeon to figure out what's gonna happen[/QUOTE]


    :zzz:

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    [QUOTE=bitonti]

    everyone expects democrats to win

    i don't

    GOP has Diebold in their pocket[/QUOTE]
    I hope you end up needing your pre-emptive excuses. Pretty lame though, bit.

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    After the 2000 election, dems and libs were screaming for non-paper, electronic, hi-tech voting machines.

    So what happens? When they start fielding some of these things, one of you liberal kooks finds some BS link between a company and the GOP. How about all the dead democrats and illegal aliens that vote for your side?

    You guys have nothing. And you're such SORE LOSERS that you're willing to find any excuse to justify the performance of your despicable, weak and clueless party.

    It's not hanging chads, and it's not some wacko conspiracy. [b]Quitocrats lose elections because they've got no ideas and they are the party of stick your head in the sand, kiss kofi annons butt, punish the productive, reward the slacker, grant rights to fellons and terrorists, gut the military, no nukes, tree hugging appeasers.[/b]

    In other words, hatred of Bush ain't gonna keep al queda in check.

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    You are a angry little man, aren't you.

    [QUOTE=Spirit of Weeb]After the 2000 election, dems and libs were screaming for non-paper, electronic, hi-tech voting machines.

    So what happens? When they start fielding some of these things, one of you liberal kooks finds some BS link between a company and the GOP. How about all the dead democrats and illegal aliens that vote for your side?

    You guys have nothing. And you're such SORE LOSERS that you're willing to find any excuse to justify the performance of your despicable, weak and clueless party.

    It's not hanging chads, and it's not some wacko conspiracy. [b]Quitocrats lose elections because they've got no ideas and they are the party of stick your head in the sand, kiss kofi annons butt, punish the productive, reward the slacker, grant rights to fellons and terrorists, gut the military, no nukes, tree hugging appeasers.[/b]

    In other words, hatred of Bush ain't gonna keep al queda in check.[/QUOTE]

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    [QUOTE=sackdance]I hope you end up needing your pre-emptive excuses. Pretty lame though, bit.[/QUOTE]


    i agree it is pretty lame that our democracy has been auctioned off to the highest corporate bidder

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    [QUOTE=Spirit of Weeb]After the 2000 election, dems and libs were screaming for non-paper, electronic, hi-tech voting machines.

    So what happens? When they start fielding some of these things, one of you liberal kooks finds some BS link between a company and the GOP. How about all the dead democrats and illegal aliens that vote for your side?

    You guys have nothing. And you're such SORE LOSERS that you're willing to find any excuse to justify the performance of your despicable, weak and clueless party.

    It's not hanging chads, and it's not some wacko conspiracy. [b]Quitocrats lose elections because they've got no ideas and they are the party of stick your head in the sand, kiss kofi annons butt, punish the productive, reward the slacker, grant rights to fellons and terrorists, gut the military, no nukes, tree hugging appeasers.[/b]

    In other words, hatred of Bush ain't gonna keep al queda in check.[/QUOTE]


    Wrong, the democrats fought the roll-out of the Diebold machines between 2000 and 2004 all the way, in every State they were introduced.

    For exactly the reasons what ultimately happened.

    The second stealing of the White House by Bush & co. will eventually become historical fact

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    [QUOTE=bitonti]i tend to agree with this

    everyone expects democrats to win

    i don't

    GOP has Diebold in their pocket

    it doesn't take a Brain surgeon to figure out what's gonna happen[/QUOTE]

    Bit, you cannot possibly believe such a unrealistic conspiracy theoy as this, can you? You're telling me the "GOP", a party with hundred to thousands of workers is in some kind of conspiracy with Diebold, a company with thousands of employees, to "steal" the election in 2006, 2008...and ALSO stole elections in 2000 and 2004? Yet no one has come forward, out of these thousands of thousands of possibkle people in the know, to rat out the situation? Not one liberal secretly in the loop? Not one whistleblower? No, you believe there are literally, ten to twenty thousand people involved in one of the largest, most complex conspiracies in world history, and even though there ar eliterally MILLIONS of liberals who want to know the truth, the truth has no0t been uncovered.

    GOP? Halliburton? Diebold? Perhaps the Anti-Christ too, eh Bit?

    Maybe I give you too much credit Bit. I like you alot Bro, I think you're good, well intentioned people. But some of the stuff you seem tp believe....things that depy logic and rational thought in all form....just amazes me. Really.

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    [QUOTE=flushingjet]Keeley Hazell. real magnificent aint they[/QUOTE]

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    [QUOTE=cr726]You are a angry little man, aren't you.[/QUOTE]

    You worship in the church of moveon.org inspired by sermons from the rev. cindy sheehan, and you call me angry?

    Everything's a conspiracy with you guys...except the conspiracy that all America's enemies camoflaged by the un are conspiring to end everything we all hold so dear -- our freedom.

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    Worship? I have never been on moveon.org, you must of you quote from it constantly. Sheehan is a Reverend? Man, what is she joining the GOP? The party of God.

    How many of your family members have been killed in Iraq?



    [QUOTE=Spirit of Weeb]You worship in the church of moveon.org inspired by sermons from the rev. cindy sheehan, and you call me angry?

    Everything's a conspiracy with you guys...except the conspiracy that all America's enemies camoflaged by the un are conspiring to end everything we all hold so dear -- our freedom.[/QUOTE]

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    [QUOTE=TheGreatMangini]President Bush is one of the most unpopular and disliked presidents in American history.

    All the polls suggest that the Republicans are finished as a party.

    However, when the November elections are over, the republicans will likely still be in control of all branches of government.

    How can this be? One word.

    DIEBOLD

    aQUOTE]

    First off, I am not sure about all American politics. Isn't Bush inelligible to run this year? I thought AMerican presidents could only do two terms?
    Second, why is it so hard to believe that a majority of people would choose conservative politics over free wheeling politics?

    SOrry to say, but it is the liberal view here in Canada that over the past thirty years that has led to the legalization of abortion as a womens issue, gay marriage, the abolishment of the death penalty, brought us our disastrous multiculturalism amemndment to the Bill of Rights, brought in rehabilitation over punishment in the prison system, brought in a young offenders act that basically allows youths to escape with a clean record after 18 without names being released for ANY crimes committed. That is just a summary.

    why is this so hard to understand? Just wondering

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