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    OT: Shroud of Turin theories...

    I just stumbled upon this website, interesting theory that crafty ole' Leonardo. I'm not taking a stand here, just found it interesting. Sack may care to express an opinion.

    [url]http://www.world-mysteries.com/sar_2_ldt.htm[/url]

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    Did Dan Rather research this? Another fine example of unbiased reporting complete with all sides of the story.

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    I just did a quick check of the history of hte shroud ([url]www.shroud.com[/url]) and the site syas it is documented as far back as 1350. If so, how could DaVinci, living a century later, have naything to do with it?

    I have no idea if the shroud is true or not, and I have taken the time to research it a little. There is plenty of evidence to suggest that the shroud is not the shroud of Christ. But what drives Christians to take notice of the constant secular attempts to attack and discredit the faith is a one sided article like this (or atleast the tenor of the opening.)

    Don't those who want to discredit Christian ity understand that they should at least cloak their attacks better (I mean by the author of the piece.)?

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    Don't those who want to discredit Christian ity understand that they should at least cloak their attacks better (I mean by the author of the piece.)?[/QUOTE]

    You tell em' JC!

    Attacking Christianity because the shroud of Turin is bullsh*t is like attacking Iraq in the war on terror when Al Qaeda was responsible for 9/11.

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    Lawl at folks who believe the Shorud is real. Seriously, Lawl. :rolleyes:

    You like religious trinkets....I have the Spear of Destiny in my basement, on the wall. No, really, I do. I found it Indiana Jones style, had to run from angry snakes on a plane to get it, you wouldn't believe it. Or amybe you would, you seem kinda gullible.

    In any event, the Spear than killed Christ, only $99.99 minimum bid on Ebay! Bid Today!

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    I have a hole in my wall that looks like the virgin mary..

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    I was afraid of this....... I think you guys know that trinkets are not what I'm into. I don;t think anyone knows for sure, but I suspect that the Shroud is probably not real.

    It's funny, but many folks complain about the constant drumbeat Christianity produces to try to convert them (other than TV, I don't see too much of it in the public square - but that could very well be just me) or remind them of going to Hell. Yet, at the same time, Christianity absorbs a constant clubbing from the skeptics. It seems as if the critics in the media almost make it their purpose to attack.

    Personally, to each his own. If you ask, I'll answer (probably with too many words:) and I love a philosophical discussion............ but he thing that gets me involved is to defend my faith. THe point of my post was to suggest that if you don;t believe, that's your business. But in reverse, the nonbelievers are now beating a you better not believe or slse drum...... which is exactly the offense they found so repulsive to start with. Go figure.

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    here's why the schroud is total BS..Jesus, Mary, God, Allah, Yawehe, Buddha..whomover..NEVER EVER reveals themselves..It's always a matter of faith...YET, Jesus is going to leave an ACTUAL facial impression of his on a cloth..I don't buy it..It goes against everything else this God or whomever does..

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    [QUOTE=JCnflies]I was afraid of this....... But in reverse, the nonbelievers are now beating a you better not believe or slse drum...... which is exactly the offense they found so repulsive to start with. Go figure.[/QUOTE]

    Not true at all. You are free, and always should be, to worship and believe whatever you like as long as it does not interfere with the freedom or lives of others. That is the basic nature of our freedom and is a great thing.

    Conversely, however, those on the other side are also free to laugh at, think less of, mock, and ridicule the fantastical daydreams of so-called believers.

    As long as they do not bar or limit your freedoms (as stated in the first paragraph), it's a non issue. What does the faithful care about the lack of faith of others, eh? And if you are confident in your beliefs, who cares what non-believers say anyway, right?

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    [QUOTE=Warfish]Not true at all. You are free, and always should be, to worship and believe whatever you like as long as it does not interfere with the freedom or lives of others. That is the basic nature of our freedom and is a great thing.

    Conversely, however, those on the other side are also free to laugh at, think less of, mock, and ridicule the fantastical daydreams of so-called believers.

    As long as they do not bar or limit your freedoms (as stated in the first paragraph), it's a non issue. What does the faithful care about the lack of faith of others, eh? And if you are confident in your beliefs, who cares what non-believers say anyway, right?[/QUOTE]


    I can answer that. While it doesn't affect me that others don't believe, and does not sway what I believe, I enjoy dialogue that is open because it helps me define what I believe in. That is how it helps me. It annoys me when someone cannot defend their non-belief when they are just trying to stir a pot.
    I also enjoy the conversations with others who don't believe because I have a concern for others and believe the discussions about God and his existence are vital for everyone....
    just my opinion.

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    [QUOTE=Warfish]Not true at all. You are free, and always should be, to worship and believe whatever you like as long as it does not interfere with the freedom or lives of others. That is the basic nature of our freedom and is a great thing.

    Conversely, however, those on the other side are also free to laugh at, think less of, mock, and ridicule the fantastical daydreams of so-called believers.

    As long as they do not bar or limit your freedoms (as stated in the first paragraph), it's a non issue. What does the faithful care about the lack of faith of others, eh? And if you are confident in your beliefs, who cares what non-believers say anyway, right?[/QUOTE]

    I'm all for it, warfish. let's label the those who resist and work against Christian beliefs (because they are sure they are wrong) as intolerant, etc.

    Free w/o ramifications, no. Today, to pronounce the teachings of our faith against homosexuality or pornography initiates insults and the attempt to legally stop those views.

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