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    Not another hypocrite.

    I can't believe it. Not another one.
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    Key Evangelical quits amid gay sex claim By CATHERINE TSAI, Associated Press Writer
    51 minutes ago

    The leader of the 30 million-member National Association of Evangelicals, a vocal opponent of same-sex marriage, resigned Thursday after being accused of paying for sex with a man in monthly trysts over the past three years.

    The Rev. Ted Haggard, a married father of five who has been called one of the most influential evangelical Christians in the nation, denied the allegations. His accuser refused to share voice mails that he said backed up his claim.

    Haggard also stepped aside as head of his 14,000-member New Life Church while a church panel investigates, saying he could "not continue to minister under the cloud created by the accusations."

    "I am voluntarily stepping aside from leadership so that the overseer process can be allowed to proceed with integrity," Haggard said in a written statement. "I hope to be able to discuss this matter in more detail at a later date."

    He also told KUSA-TV late Wednesday: "Never had a gay relationship with anybody, and I'm steady with my wife, I'm faithful to my wife."

    The allegations come as voters in Colorado and seven other states get ready to decide Tuesday on amendments banning gay marriage. Besides the proposed ban on the Colorado ballot, a separate measure would establish the legality of domestic partnerships providing same-sex couples with many of the rights of married couples.

    Mike Jones, 49, of Denver told The Associated Press he decided to go public with his allegations because of the political fight. Jones, who said he is gay, said he was upset when he discovered Haggard and the New Life Church had publicly opposed same-sex marriage.

    "It made me angry that here's someone preaching about gay marriage and going behind the scenes having gay sex," said Jones, who added that he isn't working for any political group.

    Jones, whose allegations were first aired on KHOW-AM radio in Denver, claimed Haggard paid him to have sex nearly every month over three years. Jones also said Haggard snorted methamphetamine before their sexual encounters to heighten his experience.

    Haggard and his attorney, Martin Nussbaum, did not return calls Thursday night from the AP.

    Jones said that he had advertised himself as an escort on the Internet and that a man who called himself Art contacted him. Jones said he later saw the man on television identified as Haggard.

    He said that he last had sex with Haggard in August and that he did not warn him before making his allegations this week.

    Jones said he has voice mail messages from Haggard, as well as an envelope he said Haggard used to mail him cash, though he declined to make any of it available to the AP.

    "There's some stuff on there (the voice mails) that's pretty damning," he said.

    Haggard, who is about 50, was appointed president of the evangelicals association in March 2003. He has participated in conservative Christian leaders' conference calls with White House staffers and lobbied members of Congress last year on U.S. Supreme Court appointees after Sandra Day O'Connor announced her retirement.

    After Massachusetts legalized gay marriage in 2004, Haggard and others began organizing state-by-state opposition. Last year, Haggard and officials from the nearby Christian ministry Focus on the Family announced plans to push Colorado's gay marriage ban for the 2006 ballot.

    At the time, Haggard said that he believed marriage is a union between a man and woman rooted in centuries of tradition, and that research shows it's the best family unit for children.

    "Homosexual activity, like adulterous relationships, is clearly condemned in the Scriptures," the evangelicals association says on its Web site. The Bible says homosexuality is a sin that "brings grave consequences in this life and excludes one from the Kingdom of God."

    Haggard's resignation from the NAE seems unlikely to do lasting damage to the organization, an umbrella group for a diverse and independent-minded membership. At his own church, Haggard's decision to step aside if it became permanent would have a more profound effect.

    "One would hope and pray that this matter would be resolved expeditiously and quickly and he can be restored back to being the pastor of the church and the leader of the NAE," said Michael Cromartie, vice president of the Ethics and Public Policy Center, a conservative Washington think tank.

    New Life Church member Brooks DeMio, 44, said he thinks Jones is a liar and can't believe Haggard would engage in sex with a man.

    "He loves the Lord, homosexuality is a sin and that's not Ted," DeMio said. "His desire is to serve other people and uphold the word of God. ... I don't know him well enough to give a complete character description, but I know him enough to know it's not true."

    Carolyn Haggard, spokeswoman for the New Life Church and the pastor's niece, said a four-member church panel will investigate the allegations. The board has the authority to discipline Haggard, including removing him from ministry work.

    "This is really routine when any sort of situation like this arises, so we're prepared," Carolyn Haggard said. "The church is going to continue to serve and be welcoming to our community. That's a priority."

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    Associated Press writers Dan Elliott in Denver and Rachel Zoll in New York contributed to this report
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    I continue to think that those screaming the loudest against gay marriage are the ones who can't come to terms with their own sexuality..
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    [QUOTE=ChanTheMaster]I continue to think that those screaming the loudest against gay marriage are ones who can't come to terms with their own sexuality..[/QUOTE]Fixed it for ya Chan.

    It certainly seems as though this is the case.

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    Thanks ;)

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    More like the opposite,
    the most in favor are the most gay.

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    Seems like there is something burning there as he did quit in a heartbeat much like Foley did. Here comes the wash......

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    [QUOTE=flushingjet]More like the opposite,
    the most in favor are the most gay.[/QUOTE]
    Right, because its more likely that people who accept homesexuals for who they are would be afraid to admit to themselves that they are gay, rather then the guys who walk around hating them.... :rolleyes:

    It's classic projection fruit loops...

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    [QUOTE=ChanTheMaster]Right, because its more likely that people who accept homesexuals for who they are would be afraid to admit to themselves that they are gay, rather then the guys who walk around hating them.... :rolleyes:

    It's classic projection fruit loops...[/QUOTE]I could care less about this issue. I am not gay, don't plan on becoming gay and certainly don't plan on marrying a dude so this really has no bearing on my life whatsoever.

    I do find it absolutely hilarious that so many vocal opponents of gay marriage have been "outed" in the past couple of years.

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    I agree with Kelcko, who gives a ****, it doesn't affect me.

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    [QUOTE=ChanTheMaster]Right, because its more likely that people who accept homesexuals for who they are would be afraid to admit to themselves that they are gay, rather then the guys who walk around hating them.... :rolleyes:

    It's classic projection fruit loops...[/QUOTE]

    ?
    Right.
    Guess that makes most people closet members of NAMBLA, Child Molesters, into Bestiality and Satanism.

    I love that Lib/Libertarian Logic
    Being against something , means you're secretly for it.
    That guy maybe, but thats his deal.
    McGreedy was too.

    For crynoutloud, does everything abnormal that occurs in the world have to get a Good Housekeeping seal

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    A few points:

    1) As a Christian who listens regularly to quality (not heebie - jeebie give me your money) Christian outlets, I have never heard of this guy. I think the article is overstating who he is.

    2) Have you noticed the Democratic strategy? They are trying as hard as the y can to smear Republicans on any family value issues. The Dems have realized that the family value vote sees through the liberal facade and knows the true liberal agenda - no matter how the liberals try to disguise it...... so knowing they will not be able to "seduce" the family value vote, they are attempting to eradicate it. The Dems are accusing and, through the arm of the media end of the Democratic National Party, broadcasting whatever they can to suppress the family value vote. The libs are hoping to win by holding back the opposing pov. Not a bad idea and I pray we don't fall for it. One reason the conservatives have turned out so strong lately is that many of the important states had same sex referendums on the ballot. Which leads me to point #3.

    3) Who knows if this is true. I wish there was enough time to prove it is false (if indeed it is) and have the tactic (if it is false) blow up in the Dems faces just like Dan Rather's mess. I fear the libs learned their lesson and decided to drop the bomb closer to game time. Wait till Hillary runs... in addition to the IV drip of misinformation, a steady onslaught of liquefied manure will coat the media arm in the days leading to the election. I find it a bit odd that the guy will not produce any evidence and is just accusing.

    What if it is true? I think all Christians fight daily battles against temptation. I have not cheated on my wife and I don;t seek out pornographic stuff but as much as I know what is right and try to do what is right, if I see some gorgeous actress with a lot of skin showing, I can't help but think certain things. The key to avoiding temptation is to not get close to it. I have told my wife that I don;t see myself committing adultery because I feel like I would be letting Jesus down, her down and that I would lose the respect of my sons. The thought of my boys happening to see me in such a position is usually pretty good at returning some sense of control............ but that said, I even told my wife that if I ever walked in on her, Shania Twain and another naked beautiful woman in our room, I have no idea how I could ever stop myself. I guess I'm trying to say that we all have limits and breaking points. I hope this guy is being framed and I hope the deceit backfires. But I could see a scenario under which it is true, too. Either way, he is merely a messenger and it does not change the character of the message - it changes the character of the man.
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    [QUOTE=flushingjet]?
    Right.
    Guess that makes most people closet members of NAMBLA, Child Molesters, into Bestiality and Satanism.

    I love that Lib/Libertarian Logic
    Being against something , means you're secretly for it.
    That guy maybe, but thats his deal.
    McGreedy was too.

    For crynoutloud, does everything abnormal that occurs in the world have to get a Good Housekeeping seal[/QUOTE]
    No sir but would agree there's a difference between being against something and being out there actively trying to undermine it?

    My first post said "those screaming the loudest"

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    If you give any thought at all to the married lives or sexual lives of strangers, then you are a FAGGOTT..
    Live and let live you homophobes..
    there are some closet faggoyts on this board who pretend to be right wingers..Just like the movie American Beauty..

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    [QUOTE=JCnflies]A few points:

    1) As a Christian who listens regularly to quality (not heebie - jeebie give me your money) Christian outlets, I have never heard of this guy. I think the article is overstating who he is.

    2) Have you noticed the Democratic strategy? They are trying as hard as the y can to smear Republicans on any family value issues. The Dems have realized that the family value vote sees through the liberal facade and knows the true liberal agenda - no matter how the liberals try to disguise it...... so knowing they will not be able to "seduce" the family value vote, they are attempting to eradicate it. The Dems are accusing and, through the arm of the media end of the Democratic National Party, broadcasting whatever they can to suppress the family value vote. The libs are hoping to win by holding back the opposing pov. Not a bad idea and I pray we don't fall for it. One reason the conservatives have turned out so strong lately is that many of the important states had same sex referendums on the ballot. Which leads me to point #3.

    3) Who knows if this is true. I wish there was enough time to prove it is false (if indeed it is) and have the tactic (if it is false) blow up in the Dems faces just like Dan Rather's mess. I fear the libs learned their lesson and decided to drop the bomb closer to game time. Wait till Hillary runs... in addition to the IV drip of misinformation, a steady onslaught of liquefied manure will coat the media arm in the days leading to the election. I find it a bit odd that the guy will not produce any evidence and is just accusing.

    What if it is true? I think all Christians fight daily battles against temptation. I have not cheated on my wife and I don;t seek out pornographic stuff but as much as I know what is right and try to do what is right, if I see some gorgeous actress with a lot of skin showing, I can't help but think certain things. The key to avoiding temptation is to not get close to it. I have told my wife that I don;t see myself committing adultery because I feel like I would be letting Jesus down, her down and that I would lose the respect of my sons. The thought of my boys happening to see me in such a position is usually pretty good at returning some sense of control............ but that said, I even told my wife that if I ever walked in on her, Shania Twain and another naked beautiful woman in our room, I have no idea how I could ever stop myself. I guess I'm trying to say that we all have limits and breaking points. I hope this guy is being framed and I hope the deceit backfires. But I could see a scenario under which it is true, too. Either way, he is merely a messenger and it does not change the character of the message - it changes the character of the man.[/QUOTE]
    The latest news on Msn.com says that Haggard has admitted buying drugs and getting a massage from Jones....He also said that he never used the drugs and resisted the temptation.....

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    [QUOTE=bman]you are a FAGGOTT[/QUOTE]

    [QUOTE=bman]Live and let live you homophobes[/QUOTE]

    [QUOTE=bman]there are some closet faggoyts on this board[/QUOTE]

    Wow. Just....wow.

    Sometime bman, you even make ME speachless. Nice job.

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    [QUOTE=flushingjet]?
    Right.
    Guess that makes most people closet members of NAMBLA, Child Molesters, into Bestiality and Satanism.

    I love that Lib/Libertarian Logic
    Being against something , means you're secretly for it.
    That guy maybe, but thats his deal.
    McGreedy was too.

    For crynoutloud, does everything abnormal that occurs in the world have to get a Good Housekeeping seal[/QUOTE]

    It's just like someone who's been on a diet hanging out at the Dairy Queen.

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    [QUOTE=bman]If you give any thought at all to the married lives or sexual lives of strangers, then you are a FAGGOTT..
    Live and let live you homophobes..
    there are some closet faggoyts on this board who pretend to be right wingers..Just like the movie American Beauty..[/QUOTE]


    nice, real nice. :rolleyes:

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    [QUOTE=bman]If you give any thought at all to the married lives or sexual lives of strangers, then you are a FAGGOTT..
    Live and let live you homophobes..
    there are some closet faggoyts on this board who pretend to be right wingers..Just like the movie American Beauty..[/QUOTE]

    Just when you think things can't get any more ridiculous, you get Bman's profound words of wisdom from the voice of reason.

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    [QUOTE=JCnflies]

    2) Have you noticed the Democratic strategy? They are trying as hard as the y can to smear Republicans on any family value issues. The Dems have realized that the family value vote sees through the liberal facade and knows the true liberal agenda - no matter how the liberals try to disguise it...... so knowing they will not be able to "seduce" the family value vote, they are attempting to eradicate it. The Dems are accusing and, through the arm of the media end of the Democratic National Party, broadcasting whatever they can to suppress the family value vote. The libs are hoping to win by holding back the opposing pov. Not a bad idea and I pray we don't fall for it. One reason the conservatives have turned out so strong lately is that many of the important states had same sex referendums on the ballot. Which leads me to point #3.
    [/QUOTE]
    This is something I really have to take issue with because it is a huge part of the reason that I am no longer a Republican.

    To argue or even suggest that Democrats or liberal by thier very human nature have no morality or "family values" is absolutely ludicrous. If you listened to some Republicans these days, like Rick Santorum or Bill Frist, you would think that all Democratic party functions end with wild sex and drug orgies. It is an ugly smear campaign designed to curry favor with the Christian right and get them out to the polls. I can hardly blame the Democrats for defending themselves.

    Neither side is right.

    The reason the Republicans has fought so hard to get these referendums on the ballot is simply a get-out-the-vote effort. If you really think that these people care about you or your values you are insane. They exist to get themselves elected to pass laws to help their corporate supporters make money. They have made it clear that they don't give a crap about the people or really fixing the problems facing this country.

    I so desperately want a legitimate third party to rise from the ashes and give us a real option of election.

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    I heard Jews for Jihad are looking for new recruits from the ranks of disaffected Republicans.

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