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    Rangel at it again

    [url]http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,230598,00.html[/url]

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    How unpatriotic.

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    [QUOTE=cr726]How unpatriotic.[/QUOTE]

    You mean threatening to reinstate the draft to make a political point?

    You're right.

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    It would be political suicide for the new Congress. I seriously doubt it happens.

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    Why should the poor and middle class be forced to shoulder the burden?

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    Hey , Im all for reinstating the draft. If as General Abizaid said our troops are stretched thin and we are unable to bring in an additional 20,000 troops for a significant tour, then we need a draft. All of you who are full support of this so called "War on Turrrr" that weve been told is going to last a long time should be all for a draft. How can you say you "support the troops" and not be willing to join in on the fight or give up your sons and daughters. It take alot more than wearing a stoopid american flag lapel pin to show real support.

    I say, reinstate the draft. Include all males AND females ages 18-40 who are physically capable of fighting. There should also be no waivers for education. I dont care if you are 18 and just goot a full scholarship to an ivy league school. If your called up you have to go immediately. Bush's daughters have to go if they are called up . No one is an exception.

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    First of all, the draft lowers the replacement and thus overall cost of troops, making them MORE likely to be used in a frivolous manner, not less.

    Rangel is an idiot and this is an obvious political stunt. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a moron, period.

    Kenny, you benefit from having a fire department and police force that are volunteer, why is that any different from the military? Hey, if we need cops to fight this so-called crime that we've been told exists, why don't we have a draft for cops? Wanting to reduce crime takes more than wearing a stupid American flag lapel pin...no exceptions...everyone can be drafted. Ditto for fire departments, too. These so-called fires that happen, I mean...Anyone who supports the fire department but is too gutless to actually become a firefighter is a chickenhawk hypocrite!

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    [QUOTE=MnJetFan]Why should the poor and middle class be forced to shoulder the burden?[/QUOTE]

    Who's forced?

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    [QUOTE=jets5ever]First of all, the draft lowers the replacement and thus overall cost of troops, making them MORE likely to be used in a frivolous manner, not less.

    Rangel is an idiot and this is an obvious political stunt. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a moron, period.

    Kenny, you benefit from having a fire department and police force that are volunteer, why is that any different from the military? Hey, if we need cops to fight this so-called crime that we've been told exists, why don't we have a draft for cops? Wanting to reduce crime takes more than wearing a stupid American flag lapel pin...no exceptions...everyone can be drafted. Ditto for fire departments, too. These so-called fires that happen, I mean...Anyone who supports the fire department but is too gutless to actually become a firefighter is a chickenhawk hypocrite![/QUOTE]

    What are you talking about? Your comparisons to a fire dept are laughable and childish. If the Fire Dept in your community could not keep up with the number of fires because of lack of manpower what would happen? Your town would burn down. So you then would draft some people to serve as firemen. This would never happen because fires are not so prevelant. Same goes with crime and the police.

    This has nothing to do with calling anyone a "chickenhawk" , it logistics. If a volunteer army does not have the manpower needed to fight a war (as Abizaid suggested) that we deem essential for our survival, then we need a draft. You are just responding in a silly kneejerk reaction to what you think im saying, but im not. Really. I truly believe we should reinstitute a draft that will be all inclusive.

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    [QUOTE=jets5ever]Who's forced?[/QUOTE]

    Look at the makeup of the army

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    [QUOTE=jets5ever]Who's forced?[/QUOTE]


    For many poor people, they indeed are forced to enlist if they want to go to college to better themselves. It's usually their only way of being able to afford tuition.

    But I do agree with you that Rangel's a moron and this is just a political stunt. He's trying to turn this into another class issue. While there's some merit to the thought that only the poor and middle class serve, the draft wouldn't change this. People with money and influence would still find ways around the draft.

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    All you 18-25 year olds that voted for the "new direction" -- just got your first reward! One of many to follow, I'm sure.

    Suckers!

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    [QUOTE=Spirit of Weeb]All you 18-25 year olds that voted for the "new direction" -- just got your first reward! One of many to follow, I'm sure.

    Suckers![/QUOTE]

    18-25?????
    Try 18-40!
    And why isnt this a "reward"? Are you calling the men who are fighting for our country "suckers"? How demeaning is that? You are so unpatriotic. You hate the military? Dont you know statements like this are emboldening our enemies. You are helping the turrrrisssss!!!!

    Is there anything more glorious than serving your country and defending our nation and constitution. You so called "patriots" have to realize that there is more to being patriotic than wearing you lapel flags and slapping a "freedom isnt free" bumper sticker on your car

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    If the Fire Dept in your community could not keep up with the number of fires because of lack of manpower what would happen? Your town would burn down.

    Kennyo7- No, what happens is the city closest to you gets stuck picking up the slack for suburbs that refuse to pay for a fire department.

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    [QUOTE=chicadeel]Kennyo7- No, what happens is the city closest to you gets stuck picking up the slack for suburbs that refuse to pay for a fire department.[/QUOTE]

    Unless that neighboring town has volunteers as well. It has nothing to do with paying firefighters or not.

    The only thing you can say residents of "volunteer" towns should not complain about is slow response times.

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    [QUOTE=sourceworx]Unless that neighboring town has volunteers as well. It has nothing to do with paying firefighters or not.

    The only thing you can say residents of "volunteer" towns should not complain about is slow response times.[/QUOTE]


    Name a single cop that has been drafted by a city or town whose crime rate has surged? Can't. Didn't think so.

    Citizens are not the property of the state...not in truly free societies, anyway. In totalitarian states they are. Conscription is slavery.

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    [QUOTE=sourceworx]Unless that neighboring town has volunteers as well. It has nothing to do with paying firefighters or not.

    The only thing you can say residents of "volunteer" towns should not complain about is slow response times.[/QUOTE]


    Agreed. But it is a fact that large city's who's residents pay for a fire department also pick up the slack for rich suburbs where their fire department is all volunteer. Hopefully they get reimbursed.

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    [QUOTE=jets5ever]Name a single cop that has been drafted by a city or town whose crime rate has surged? Can't. Didn't think so.

    Citizens are not the property of the state...not in truly free societies, anyway. In totalitarian states they are. Conscription is slavery.[/QUOTE]

    Name a single city where the number of cops available was so low that there was total lawlessness and chaos that over came that city. Simple there isnt one. Are there cities that can use more cops? Absolutely. But not one that his been completely overtaken by crime and run by criminals as a result of too few cops.

    Yes citizens are not property of the state. But if you are fighting a war for survival as the right claims we are doing and if one of your top generals is claiming our military is spread thin and clearly we are failing to accomplish our stated goals in Iraq then you need to draft citizens into the army, right? Freedom is not free! isnt that what the bumper stickers say?

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    [QUOTE=kennyo7]Name a single city where the number of cops available was so low that there was total lawlessness and chaos that over came that city. Simple there isnt one. Are there cities that can use more cops? Absolutely. But not one that his been completely overtaken by crime and run by criminals as a result of too few cops.

    Yes citizens are not property of the state. But if you are fighting a war for survival as the right claims we are doing and if one of your top generals is claiming our military is spread thin and clearly we are failing to accomplish our stated goals in Iraq then you need to draft citizens into the army, right? Freedom is not free! isnt that what the bumper stickers say?[/QUOTE]

    New Orleans after Katrina. However, this is one of the reasons for the National Guard. Matter of fact, the military was called in during the L.A. roits.

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    [QUOTE=finlee17]New Orleans after Katrina. However, this is one of the reasons for the National Guard. Matter of fact, the military was called in during the L.A. roits.[/QUOTE]

    Agreed. But the circumstances were very unusual. This was a national disaster and much of the resposibility for maintaining law in this scenerio fall under federal shoulders. The National Guard is made available for exactly these reasons.

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