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    McCain Bill Is Lethal Injection For Internet Freedom

    Exploits fear of sexual predators and basic misunderstanding of Internet to attack blogs critical of the warmongering agenda he fronts for

    [url]http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2006/151206mccainbill.htm[/url]

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    Prison Planet- from Freedom to Facism.....

    more credibility from lunatic leftist sites....

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY]Prison Planet- from Freedom to Facism.....

    more credibility from lunatic leftist sites....[/QUOTE]

    Once again you condemn a whole site vice reviewing the singular item as posted.

    Where is the equivilant article for the "wrong"?

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    [QUOTE=Jetdawgg]Once again you condemn a whole site vice reviewing the singular item as posted.

    Where is the equivilant article for the "wrong"?[/QUOTE]


    once again you are wrong and haven't a clue...but that won't stop you....

    the leftist lunatic agenda of that site it is obvious to anyone with half-a-brain after browsing it for a few minutes....that probably explains why you take it's "news" verbatim...
    Last edited by Come Back to NY; 12-16-2006 at 12:13 PM.

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY]once again you are wrong and haven't a clue...but that won't stop you....

    the leftist lunatic agenda of that site it is obvious to anyone with half-a-brain after browsing it for a few minutes....that probably explains why you take it's "news" verbatim...[/QUOTE]

    I agree with the article that I posted. I don't agree with all of the politics of the site. When are you going to get clued in on that?

    Why is everything so absolute with you? Your views are so extremist...Why can't things have a blend/range of complexity?

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    [QUOTE=Jetdawgg]I agree with the article that I posted. I don't agree with all of the politics of the site. When are you going to get clued in on that?

    Why is everything so absolute with you? Your views are so extremist...Why can't things have a blend/range of complexity?[/QUOTE]

    You are pathetically dense...you claim yourself as credible sourcing the most extreme leftist sites on the internet and allege my views are "so extremist"??

    comical....

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY]You are pathetically dense...you claim yourself as credible sourcing the most extreme leftist sites on the internet and allege my views are "so extremist"??

    comical....[/QUOTE]

    What do you consider my post from CNN? From the NY Times? From the LA Times? From Asia? From the UK?

    Again, I post from links where I think there is (story) creedence from, not based on the sites politics.

    You completely miss those. Understand, the repubs lost. You may not like that, but you have to live with it.

    Why can't you stick to the story line? McCain is proposing a bill under the guise of something else.

    These attacks from the 'wrong wing" are nearly the same on every site. They never stick to the story line, they always name call and become abusive to the point where it is annoying.

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    [QUOTE=Jetdawgg]What do you consider my post from CNN? From the NY Times? From the LA Times? From Asia? From the UK?

    Again, I post from links where I think there is (story) creedence from, not based on the sites politics.

    You completely miss those. Understand, the repubs lost. You may not like that, but you have to live with it.

    Why can't you stick to the story line? McCain is proposing a bill under the guise of something else.

    These attacks from the 'wrong wing" are nearly the same on every site. They never stick to the story line, they always name call and become abusive to the point where it is annoying.[/QUOTE]

    your story line is pathetically biased to the left...there is nothing to discuss..

    Understand this- you constantly source these rat-wing, lunatic leftist sites and try to pawn them off as credible- it is no different than a conservative posting stories from RushLimbaugh.com or BillO'rielly.com (if there is such a thing....

    why can't your simple brain comprehend this???

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY]your story line is pathetically biased to the left...there is nothing to discuss..

    Understand this- you constantly source these rat-wing, lunatic leftist sites and try to pawn them off as credible- it is no different than a conservative posting stories from RushLimbaugh.com or BillO'rielly.com (if there is such a thing....

    why can't your simple brain comprehend this???[/QUOTE]


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    [QUOTE=Jetdawgg]"A Conservative is a man who, even though he has two good legs has never learned to walk forward. A Liberal uses his arms and legs in the service of his mind"
    FDR[/QUOTE]


    I voted for the $87-billion before voting against it"....liberal jean kerri...

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY]I voted for the $87-billion before voting against it"....liberal jean kerri...[/QUOTE]

    FDR was a President. Kerry will never be one.

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    I take it you haven't read the text of the bill? The story is wrong.

    1) The bill requires reporting only when a content provider has [b]actual knowledge[/b] that child pornography has been posted on their site.

    Are you suggesting that it's wrong to require someone who has actual knowledge that child pornography has been posted to report it? Can you tell me what your problem with that is?

    2) The bill provides maximum fines but not minimums, leaving any fine up to the discretion of the judge.

    (In other words, if there [b]is[/b] some unknown good reason why someone with actual knowledge that kiddie porn was posted on their site failed to report it, the judge has discretion to let them off without any fine at all, or a de minimis fine, if any)

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    [QUOTE=doggin94it]I take it you haven't read the text of the bill? The story is wrong.

    1) The bill requires reporting only when a content provider has [b]actual knowledge[/b] that child pornography has been posted on their site.

    Are you suggesting that it's wrong to require someone who has actual knowledge that child pornography has been posted to report it? Can you tell me what your problem with that is?

    2) The bill provides maximum fines but not minimums, leaving any fine up to the discretion of the judge.

    (In other words, if there [b]is[/b] some unknown good reason why someone with actual knowledge that kiddie porn was posted on their site failed to report it, the judge has discretion to let them off without any fine at all, or a de minimis fine, if any)[/QUOTE]

    No one here wants to protect a child molester or such a person. All of these bills start out as something small and then continue to encroach other areas.

    Look a little past what is getting started here.

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    [QUOTE=Jetdawgg]No one here wants to protect a child molester or such a person. All of these bills start out as something small and then continue to encroach other areas.

    Look a little past what is getting started here.[/QUOTE]

    You know what? The day it "encroaches other areas" is the day I get worked up over it.

    You want to explain to me how [b]THIS[/b] McCain bill is a "Lethal Injection For Internet Freedom", as your hysterical (and not funny hysterical) title calls it? Or do you just want to admit that you were wrong?

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    [QUOTE=doggin94it]You know what? The day it "encroaches other areas" is the day I get worked up over it.

    You want to explain to me how [b]THIS[/b] McCain bill is a "Lethal Injection For Internet Freedom", as your hysterical (and not funny hysterical) title calls it? Or do you just want to admit that you were wrong?[/QUOTE]

    By now dude, we know how the system is worked. We (progressives) are not fooled at all and most of all we are prepared for them to try it....

    Proactive measures are better deterrents than reactive ones. We will nip this nonsense in the bud.

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    [QUOTE=Jetdawgg]By now dude, we know how the system is worked. We (progressives) are not fooled at all and most of all we are prepared for them to try it....

    Proactive measures are better deterrents than reactive ones. We will nip this nonsense in the bud.[/QUOTE]


    nothing more than the usual garbage rhetoric...

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY]nothing more than the usual garbage rhetoric...[/QUOTE]

    35-0 in the last election. Looks like I know what I am posting dude. Keep thinking in the old terms......

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    [QUOTE=Jetdawgg]Once again you condemn a whole site vice reviewing the singular item as posted.

    Where is the equivilant article for the "wrong"?[/QUOTE]


    [QUOTE]New legislation: sex offenders must register e-mail addresses
    12/11/2006 1:28:32 PM, by Nate Anderson

    Last week, MySpace announced a new security system that would prevent registered sex offenders from signing up with the site. Without any legislation requiring sex offenders to keep their e-mail addresses on record with law enforcement, though, we noted that the initiative wasn't going anywhere without some help from the government. That help has begun to arrive.

    Virginia just became the first state to require that sex offenders register their online identities. The new state law will require offenders to register e-mail addresses, instant messaging screen names, and any chat room handles with the government.

    But more important than the Virginia law was a bill introduced by Senator John McCain (R-AZ) on December 6 that requires the same sort of registration at the federal level. The new law, titled "Stop the Online Exploitation of Our Children Act," was introduced with a speech by McCain. In his remarks, the senator claimed that child pornography was on the rise, and that it was becoming increasingly violent in nature. To support this contention, McCain referred to testimony by Mike Brown, sherriff of Bedford County, Virginia, a name you might remember from earlier this year when Shaquille O'Neal particpated in a botched child porn raid there.

    McCain's new bill will also require sex offenders to register e-mail addresses, IM names, and chat room handles. Failure to do so could result in a 10-year jail term. The bill makes the Internet an "aggravating factor" in sex crimes against children, and can add another 10 years of jail time to a sentence. Why using the Internet to harm kids is worse than molesting neighborhood children was not explained.

    Senator Charles Schumer (D-NY), who also supports such legislation, said in a recent statement that "sex offenders have no business joining social networking communities." While we understand his concern, Ars has received e-mails from sex offenders who feel completely rejected from society by such restrictions, especially when they have been put on the list for statutory reasons (generally, having consensual sex with a minor). Does a total ban on using social networking sites makes sense, or would some exceptions be appropriate?

    Obviously, this will be difficult to enforce. Sex offenders are required to report such information to their parole officers, but how will a parole officer know that his client has registered [email]hotforu@yahoo.com[/email]? It's like requiring a burglar to register the tools of his trade; it's a great idea in theory, but it's unlikely to be effective in practice.

    Child pornography
    But McCain's bill goes further than e-mail registration. A copy of the bill's text obtained by News.com shows that McCain wants to require every "Internet social networking site, chat room, message board, or any other similar service using the Internet" to report suspected child pornography to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.

    This is already required for ISPs, but the bill would expand the reporting requirements to include every Internet site that has forums, including sites like Ars. Knowingly failing to do so would be severely penalized.

    It's this section of the legislation that could be most problematic, as it requires all sites to scrutinize their message boards for anything that could be considered child pornography, along with any links to such images. Recent indictments have charged photographers with child pornography even when the models are clothed (though read the linked story before jumping to conclusions about overzealous prosecutors).

    Like most laws involving the Internet (or "a series of tubes" as we like to think of it in the Orbiting HQ), this one stems from noble intentions, but has a problematic implementation/enforcement component. It sounds great, and it's for the kids, but will it work? The Magic 8-ball's not convinced.
    [/QUOTE]


    [url]http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20061211-8399.html[/url]


    since I answered your challenge with you extend the same courtesy and back up your claim on olberman vs. o'rielly??

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    [QUOTE=Jetdawgg]35-0 in the last election. Looks like I know what I am posting dude. Keep thinking in the old terms......[/QUOTE]

    another hypocrite who accuses others of not being able to stay on the topic yet does not practice what he preaches...

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    [B]"Like most laws involving the Internet (or "a series of tubes" as we like to think of it in the Orbiting HQ), this one stems from noble intentions, but has a problematic implementation/enforcement component. [COLOR=Red]It sounds great, and it's for the kids, but will it work? The Magic 8-ball's not convinced."[/COLOR][/B]

    Nuff said.....

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