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    Militarized America Is Approaching Spiritual Death

    "War is not the answer. We still have a choice today; nonviolent coexistence or violent co-annihilation. We must move past indecision to action. We must find new ways to speak for peace and justice throughout the developing world—a world that borders on our doors. If we do not act we shall surely be dragged down the long dark and shameful corridors of time reserved for those who possess power without compassion, might without morality and strength without sight."

    [url]http://baltimorechronicle.com/2007/010807KOHLS.html[/url]

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    I have two thoughts regarding this:

    I agree that we are approaching death, but it has little or nothing to do with miltary might. At the heart of spirituality is a desire for things "higher" such as love, peace, justice, integrity, humility, fairness, and the existejce of something much larger than ourselves to which we must submit. We are approaching spiritual death because our society does not look value these tenets enough to promote them. Look at what sells on TV............ from violence to sex to self promotion. For ever Curtis Martin humble TD celebration we glance over, ESPN glorifies the "me - me - me" antics. The 9:00 to 11:00 hours on TV involve rape, murder and the like. Look at what our children see during the 8:00 hour. When caught in a mistake, even our ex-President lies nad hten debates the definition of he word "is," and abortion is viewed as convenient rather than the taking of a life. Do I need tl mention anything about the music our kids listen to? As these things are a constant part of everyday american life, they war with the spiritual. That is why America's spiritual core is shaken.

    I hope you don't think that a willingness to engage in war suggests spiritual weakness. I would suggest that the men who stormed Normandy had tremendous spiritual strength and conviction. I think our country showed phenomenal spiritual strength in both the Revolutiuonary War and WWII.Because evil does exist in this world, there will be times when people have no choice but to combat it. For instance, WWII had to happen. Hitler had to be stopped and we were directly attacked / threatenede by Japan. I don't think anyone would argue against our obligation to send a message to the world and react to Al queda in Afghanistan.

    So it seems to me that this article is either written by someone like Chamberlain who shuns war at all costs (a noble idiot) or someone who does not want us in Iraq. If so, that is fine, he can have his opinion about Iraq, but his premise linking war with spiritual death is, itself, dead.

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    [QUOTE=JCnflies]I have two thoughts regarding this:

    I agree that we are approaching death, but it has little or nothing to do with miltary might. At the heart of spirituality is a desire for things "higher" such as love, peace, justice, integrity, humility, fairness, and the existejce of something much larger than ourselves to which we must submit. We are approaching spiritual death because our society does not look value these tenets enough to promote them. Look at what sells on TV............ from violence to sex to self promotion. For ever Curtis Martin humble TD celebration we glance over, ESPN glorifies the "me - me - me" antics. The 9:00 to 11:00 hours on TV involve rape, murder and the like. Look at what our children see during the 8:00 hour. When caught in a mistake, even our ex-President lies nad hten debates the definition of he word "is," and abortion is viewed as convenient rather than the taking of a life. Do I need tl mention anything about the music our kids listen to? As these things are a constant part of everyday american life, they war with the spiritual. That is why America's spiritual core is shaken.

    I hope you don't think that a willingness to engage in war suggests spiritual weakness. I would suggest that the men who stormed Normandy had tremendous spiritual strength and conviction. I think our country showed phenomenal spiritual strength in both the Revolutiuonary War and WWII.Because evil does exist in this world, there will be times when people have no choice but to combat it. For instance, WWII had to happen. Hitler had to be stopped and we were directly attacked / threatenede by Japan. I don't think anyone would argue against our obligation to send a message to the world and react to Al queda in Afghanistan.

    So it seems to me that this article is either written by someone like Chamberlain who shuns war at all costs (a noble idiot) or someone who does not want us in Iraq. If so, that is fine, he can have his opinion about Iraq, but his premise linking war with spiritual death is, itself, dead.[/QUOTE]

    Nice drop.

    I agree about our society and its values being misguided. If that is the case why would we want to spread our values in Iraq?

    War is a necessity at times. I think that it should be a last resort. Particularly since the USA is only superpower in the world.

    My thought is that he is writing against the war in Iraq.

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    April 4, 1967 Vietnam speech Martin Luther King.
    The date and the author was in the article you posted.
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    [QUOTE=Jetdawgg]"War is not the answer. We still have a choice today; nonviolent coexistence or violent co-annihilation. We must move past indecision to action. We must find new ways to speak for peace and justice throughout the developing world—a world that borders on our doors. If we do not act we shall surely be dragged down the long dark and shameful corridors of time reserved for those who possess power without compassion, might without morality and strength without sight."

    [url]http://baltimorechronicle.com/2007/010807KOHLS.html[/url][/QUOTE]

    Have you ever read an editorial that you didn't start a thread about?

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    [QUOTE=jets5ever]Have you ever read an editorial that you didn't start a thread about?[/QUOTE]

    this isnt a "real" paper

    this is the kind of thing you see in a sloppy pile next to
    pennysavers in the post office

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    [QUOTE=flushingjet]this isnt a "real" paper

    this is the kind of thing you see in a sloppy pile next to
    pennysavers in the post office[/QUOTE]

    Netroots baby....Beat the republicans 35-0 in the last election.....

    The author is a M.D.

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    [QUOTE=chicadeel]April 4, 1967 Vietnam speech Martin Luther King.
    The date and the author was in the article you posted.[/QUOTE]


    [I]by GARY G. KOHLS, M.D[/I]. He is using the speech that Dr. King gave in Harlem against the Vietnam war.

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    [QUOTE=jets5ever]Have you ever read an editorial that you didn't start a thread about?[/QUOTE]

    You must be republican......

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    I know of at least one modern day Benedict Arnold thats already passed on spiritually.

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    [QUOTE=flushingjet]I know of at least one modern day Benedict Arnold thats already passed on spiritually.[/QUOTE]

    The folks that don't serve in the military are always trying to state that someone is a traitor. Having never sweated a day in the military.

    You could not be further from the truth. But I see that you are and continuing to move away from the truth expeditiously...

    Get real and get with the program. The republicans lost. America is moving forward....with or without you....

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    [QUOTE=Jetdawgg]

    My thought is that he is writing against the war in Iraq.[/QUOTE]



    Sorry Dawgg, I misunderstood who you were referencing. My thought is that the author of the article was discussing the effects of Americas spiritual decline.


    "America’s spiritual corpse is being hoisted up on top of the idolatrous altars of godless, soulless capitalism, compassionless militarism, excess luxury wealth, blind patriotism and the decidedly un-Christ-like God of War".

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    [QUOTE=Jetdawgg]Nice drop.

    I agree about our society and its values being misguided. If that is the case why would we want to spread our values in Iraq?

    War is a necessity at times. I think that it should be a last resort. Particularly since the USA is only superpower in the world.

    My thought is that he is writing against the war in Iraq.[/QUOTE]

    We agree, but I think the spread of values happens whenever two societies or whatever come together. For instance, we have been exposed to militant islamic values and have forsaken them. The Iraqis have the freedom to adopt or reject any of our values.

    The fact is thath many societies, compared to ours, are very regimanted so that when the youth ofa country get a palpable sense of American freedom they want it. in no way do I believe we force it on them.

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    [QUOTE=chicadeel]Sorry Dawgg, I misunderstood who you were referencing. My thought is that the author of the article was discussing the effects of Americas spiritual decline.


    "America’s spiritual corpse is being hoisted up on top of the idolatrous altars of godless, soulless capitalism, compassionless militarism, excess luxury wealth, blind patriotism and the decidedly un-Christ-like God of War".[/QUOTE]

    He is. He is also attempting to frame it into the Iraq war using the message from Dr, King. Dr.'s think a lot differently than us (lol)

    That is a geat speech by the way. If you get a chance to listen do it. It is timeless.

    America under this leadership has lost it's way spiritually. Instead of being the world leader in peace, we now have the world hating us. We have created more terrorists. We have not protected our citizens.

    The list is too long and I hate to think about it.

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    [QUOTE=Jetdawgg]You must be republican......[/QUOTE]

    You start a ton of threads about nothing, boss. It's getting old.

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    I think just the opposite has happened, the US today is no more war like then it was 50 years ago. What has happened is a socialistic state where no one takes responsibility for anything. We expect the government to fix all our social and spiritual problems with more money more programs and what has happened. More children born out of wedlock, more drug use, corporate greed that has run rampant. We have become a nation of finger pointers and no one takes responsibility for anything! I am not as highly educated as many of you are but I do know right from wrong. I see black and white there is no gray for me! For God sake America wake up we are our worst enemy!

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    [QUOTE=MnJetFan]I think just the opposite has happened, [B]the US today is no more war like then it was 50 years ago[/B]. What has happened is a socialistic state where no one takes responsibility for anything. We expect the government to fix all our social and spiritual problems with more money more programs and what has happened. More children born out of wedlock, more drug use, corporate greed that has run rampant. We have become a nation of finger pointers and no one takes responsibility for anything! I am not as highly educated as many of you are but I do know right from wrong. I see black and white there is no gray for me! For God sake America wake up we are our worst enemy![/QUOTE]

    I see your POV. The difference is 50 years ago, the USA was not the only superpower in the world. That makes a difference when it comes to responsibility. When it comes to war.

    No militia today can take on the US. That is why terrorism is rampant.

    America was divided by this administration. It is now coming together rapidly as the war has brought about change in a radical way.

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    While I agree that our world is becoming vastly anethestized to violence and war, there is a balance we need to keep in mind. I believe there is a reduction in the pursuit of God, but while we ought to be doing that (which in my opinion reduces war), there is still also the need to protect yourselves from the threat of violence. Should someone let a military completely take over their country in the name of peace, or does a country have a right to protect itself against iminent threat?

    Just wondering....

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    [QUOTE=CanadaSteve]While I agree that our world is becoming vastly anethestized to violence and war, there is a balance we need to keep in mind. I believe there is a reduction in the pursuit of God, but while we ought to be doing that (which in my opinion reduces war), there is still also the need to protect yourselves from the threat of violence. Should someone let a military completely take over their country in the name of peace, or does a country have a right to protect itself against iminent threat?

    Just wondering....[/QUOTE]

    A country like the US has a responsibility to ensure that war is a last resort. We are the only superpower in the world. I do think that more god can equal less war.

    No one will take over this country anytime soon. Every country has the right to protect itself. No country has the right to invade another because they think something or another.

    That is the reason we have dialog.....

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    [QUOTE=Jetdawgg]A country like the US has a responsibility to ensure that war is a last resort. We are the only superpower in the world. I do think that more god can equal less war.

    No one will take over this country anytime soon. Every country has the right to protect itself. No country has the right to invade another because they think something or another.

    That is the reason we have dialog.....[/QUOTE]


    What should country C do if country A invades country B? What if "dialogue" doesn't resolve the situation?

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