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    Anyone else sick of the Anti-Smoking Crusade?

    I hear they are trying to pass a law in Maine to outlaw smoking in cars with children.

    Goddamit, they don't trust us to open the f-ing window?

    No smoking in bars. No smoking in airports. No smoking anywhere public.

    WTF.

    Why can't we leave this up to the establishment? Why can't one bar be smoke free and another be smoker friendly?

    Why can't there be smoking lounges in Airports like back in the day?




    But I guess I'm just an angry Smoker who hates these laws.

    Any non-smokers care to weigh in?

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    Non-smoker here. And yes, the crusade is rediculous.

    It's just another swipe at freedom and another loss of the ideal of personal responsabillity, plain and simple.

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    cmon parents should have the right to spew second hand smoke at their children all day long

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    I'm for the Bans (sorry smokers)

    if the smoke didn't effect others I would be against them 2 but the fact that I can get sick because of your choice to kill yourself is why I'm 4 em.

    plus they stink up the place.

    If you wanna smoke in your house or outside (away from me) I have no problem with that.

    The thing about kids in the car is a good Idea 2 because that kid has no choice and no, everyone will not open the window.

    I don't think they should be illegal to smoke just keep your cancer to yourself :cool:

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    I quit smoking cigs 6 1/2 years ago,after smoking for 20 years..while it's nice coming home from a bar without stinking like smoke..I do miss smoking a cigar and watching football on Sunday without freezing my ****ing ass off.

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    LI20H- If you support banning smoking in cars with children, why not ban smoking in houses where children live? What's the difference?


    The crusade is ridiculous and anyone who truly claims to love freedom should be appalled by it, period. If you support it, you are a fascist, period. There is simply no room for debate.

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    They should treat cigs like pot and just outright ban them.

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    [QUOTE=jets5ever]LI20H- If you support banning smoking in cars with children, why not ban smoking in houses where children live? What's the difference?


    The crusade is ridiculous and anyone who truly claims to love freedom should be appalled by it, period. If you support it, you are a fascist, period. There is simply no room for debate.[/QUOTE]

    I love freedom as much as the next guy, but how free is a kid strapped to a car seat in a smoke filled car?

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    [QUOTE=OrangeJet]I love freedom as much as the next guy, but how free is a kid strapped to a car seat in a smoke filled car?[/QUOTE]

    You mean the kid who is VASTLY more likely to be killed in a car accident than he is to be killed by second hand smoke?

    Please, don't make me laugh today, seriously.

    The argument sagainst in this thread are so borderline pathetic, it IS funny. Don't like smoke, then CHOOSE to go to smoke-free establishments. Don't like smoke outside, CHOOSE to stand someplace else. Don't like smoke in your place of employment, CHOOSE to seek employment elsewhere. Don't like smoking patrons in your business, CHOOSE to be a smoke free establishment.

    But how DARE you tell me, a business owner, I cannot allow smoking in MY restaurant or Bar on MY property? No one forced my employees to work here, they CHOOSE it, and at any time can CHOOSE not to work there.

    How DARE you tell me I cannot smoke in my own car? The number of legal and accepted things more likely to hurt and/or kill any children in that car are astronomical, and the fact is they are MY children, not the States.

    These kinds of bans, and the one on transfat in NY, are the edge of a VERY unpleasant slippery slop of freedom loss. Liberals like Bit cry like little girls when their "freedom" to talk to terrorists MIGHT Be infringed, but they sit idly by or worse, SUPPORT the removal of personal freedom every time on these issues here. It's sad, and pathetic.

    When you permit Govt. to take away your freedom, you become undeserving of that freedom. Whats worse, when you kill the concept of Personal Responsabillity, it leads to things far far worse that just the loss of smoking rights.

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    [QUOTE=Warfish]You mean the kid who is VASTLY more likely to be killed in a car accident than he is to be killed by second hand smoke?

    Please, don't make me laugh today, seriously.

    The argument sagainst in this thread are so borderline pathetic, it IS funny. Don't like smoke, then CHOOSE to go to smoke-free establishments. Don't like smoke outside, CHOOSE to stand someplace else. Don't like smoke in your place of employment, CHOOSE to seek employment elsewhere. Don't like smoking patrons in your business, CHOOSE to be a smoke free establishment.

    But how DARE you tell me, a business owner, I cannot allow smoking in MY restaurant or Bar on MY property? No one forced my employees to work here, they CHOOSE it, and at any time can CHOOSE not to work there.

    How DARE you tell me I cannot smoke in my own car? The number of legal and accepted things more likely to hurt and/or kill any children in that car are astronomical, and the fact is they are MY children, not the States.

    These kinds of bans, and the one on transfat in NY, are the edge of a VERY unpleasant slippery slop of freedom loss. Liberals like Bit cry like little girls when their "freedom" to talk to terrorists MIGHT Be infringed, but they sit idly by or worse, SUPPORT the removal of personal freedom every time on these issues here. It's sad, and pathetic.

    When you permit Govt. to take away your freedom, you become undeserving of that freedom. Whats worse, when you kill the concept of Personal Responsabillity, it leads to things far far worse that just the loss of smoking rights.[/QUOTE]

    I honestly don't know how dangerous 2nd hand cigarette smoke is, but I wonder if a constant barrage of it from birth may incline one to smoke later?

    I agree a law is going too far, but seriously, how selfish does one have to be if they can't hold off smoking until they're outside.

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    Sorry guys, but I have a two-fold view of this.

    While I think this is a bit of an extreme, I see nothing wrong with the banning of smoking in public places. This has NOTHING to do with freedom. THis whole freedom thing is getting ridiculously overblown. I'm sorry, but there is an aspect to "the public good" that has been forgotten in our neo-liberalist agendas to completely "free" our world from basically everything.

    As someone who worked in bars for seventeen years, I can tell you there is nothing fair about people being allowed to smoke in an enclosed environment without proper ventilation. Yes, I could choose to work elsewhere, but again I believe this is a "greater good" that should not be considered an infringement on someones freedom.

    I think those who fought and died in the great wars would be appalled at the idea that smoking in public is just another extension people believe freedom is what these men died for.....ridiculous.

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    5ever only wants to protect unborn children

    the born ones can get lung cancer from their parents or grow up to die in Iraq, no worries

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    [QUOTE=Warfish][B]When you permit Govt. to take away your freedom, you become undeserving of that freedom. Whats worse, when you kill the concept of Personal Responsabillity, [/B] it leads to things far far worse that just the loss of smoking rights.[/QUOTE]

    I am a non-smoker, so I am all for it, but I digress.

    Personal Responsibility? :huh:

    This nation, for the most part, lacks personal responsibility. What in the long history of this nation suggests we should be personally responsible for anything? Rampant crime/corruption? Rampant over indulgence on food? Drugs? Alcohol? (Insert Anything you can imagine)?

    There is a reason why we have laws. People are stupid. Laws are there to protect people from themselves also. I am not allowed to drink and drive because not only can I kill myself, but I could kill you and your family. Why should you be allowed to possibly kill me or your kid with your smoking?

    If you want to be a apart of those 15K-22K a year that die from lung cancer or 100K who die from a smoking related illness. Go ahead. However, do not make me or your child one of the 3.5K a year that die from second hand smoke.

    The funny thing with smoking apologist, it is like they are only only hurting themselves. Smoke goes where ever the prevailing wind takes it. You want to smoke in a bar keep the smoke to yourself.

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    [QUOTE=PFSIKH]I am a non-smoker, so I am all for it, but I digress.

    Personal Responsibility? :huh:

    This nation, for the most part, lacks personal responsibility. What in the long history of this nation suggests we should be personally responsible for anything? Rampant crime/corruption? Rampant over indulgence on food? Drugs? Alcohol? (Insert Anything you can imagine)?

    There is a reason why we have laws. People are stupid. Laws are there to protect people from themselves also. I am not allowed to drink and drive because not only can I kill myself, but I could kill you and your family. Why should you be allowed to possibly kill me or your kid with your smoking?

    If you want to be a apart of those 15K-22K a year that die from lung cancer or 100K who die from a smoking related illness. Go ahead. However, do not make me or your child one of the 3.5K a year that die from second hand smoke.

    The funny thing with smoking apologist, it is like they are only only hurting themselves. Smoke goes where ever the prevailing wind takes it. You want to smoke in a bar keep the smoke to yourself.[/QUOTE]

    Hey buddy, how's it going? Is it true that a poster on this board was ripping your service in Iraq? Who was it?

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    [QUOTE=OrangeJet]I honestly don't know how dangerous 2nd hand cigarette smoke is, [/QUOTE]
    Assume the worst, comrade.

    I'm a non-smoker, but I've noticed that the state of NJ judges the health of casino workers to be somewhat less important than that of restaurant workers because the smoking ban was enacted in the interest of a healthy workplace. Poor casino workers.

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    [QUOTE=PFSIKH]I am a non-smoker, so I am all for it, but I digress.

    Personal Responsibility? :huh:

    This nation, for the most part, lacks personal responsibility. What in the long history of this nation suggests we should be personally responsible for anything? Rampant crime/corruption? Rampant over indulgence on food? Drugs? Alcohol? (Insert Anything you can imagine)?

    There is a reason why we have laws. People are stupid. Laws are there to protect people from themselves also. I am not allowed to drink and drive because not only can I kill myself, but I could kill you and your family. Why should you be allowed to possibly kill me or your kid with your smoking?

    If you want to be a apart of those 15K-22K a year that die from lung cancer or 100K who die from a smoking related illness. Go ahead. However, do not make me or your child one of the 3.5K a year that die from second hand smoke.

    The funny thing with smoking apologist, it is like they are only only hurting themselves. Smoke goes where ever the prevailing wind takes it. You want to smoke in a bar keep the smoke to yourself.[/QUOTE]

    You have convenienty missed the entire argument.

    Freedom means the abillity to choose for ones-self. Choose to smoke. Choose to have a business that acters to smokers, choose to be near, or move away, from smokers in public.

    In no way shape or form are you EVER forced to be near a Smoker smoking. YOU always have the freedom to change things. We don't need the GOVT doing it for us.

    And spare me you're whining. While smokers ARE killing themselves, there is damn little evidence that second hand smoke is any more harmful than plenty of other things out there in the general atmosphere, and in similar quantities.

    How about YOU express your freedomand stay away from smokers, businesses who choose to cater to smokers, and smoking areas, and the smokers can express their freedom and smoke in peace in businesses and locations that choose to cater to them, eh?

    Agree with this ban, and the (very) next law will be one against bad food of all kinds. Or against dangerous unneccissary activities (like football, or hangliding, or skydiving) and pretty soon after that it's a Govt. run Fasicist State, telling YOU, the supposedly free, everything that is good for you, like it or not. I don;t need a Nanny State, and I don't want to live in one. It's counter to EVERYTHING our founding fathers stood for.

    It's easy to say "Bah, I don;t smoke, ban them". But wait till it IS a freedom you enjoy they take away. And see who supports YOU when YOU cry about it.
    Last edited by Warfish; 01-10-2007 at 03:36 PM.

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    [QUOTE=OrangeJet]I love freedom as much as the next guy, but how free is a kid strapped to a car seat in a smoke filled car?[/QUOTE]

    Why not outlaw smoking in homes, then? Why not outlaw sugary cereals and outlaw dangerous sports like football where children sustain serious injuries? Why stop at smoking? Why not outlaw obesity or fine people for every pound they are over-weight?

    You don't love freedom as much as you think if you support fascist laws like this.


    And Canada - the "public good" is a scary notion. The road to Hell is paved with good intentions. You CHOSE to work in a smoke-filled bar, just like the people who were patrons chose to go there.

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    [QUOTE=Warfish]
    And spare me you're whining. While smokers ARE killing themselves, there is damn little evidence that second hand smoke is any more harmful than plenty of other things out there in the general atmosphere, and in similar quantities.
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    yeah just like there's damn little evidence for global warming right fish?

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    [QUOTE=PFSIKH]I am a non-smoker, so I am all for it, but I digress.

    Personal Responsibility? :huh:

    This nation, for the most part, lacks personal responsibility. What in the long history of this nation suggests we should be personally responsible for anything? Rampant crime/corruption? Rampant over indulgence on food? Drugs? Alcohol? (Insert Anything you can imagine)?

    There is a reason why we have laws. People are stupid. Laws are there to protect people from themselves also. I am not allowed to drink and drive because not only can I kill myself, but I could kill you and your family. Why should you be allowed to possibly kill me or your kid with your smoking?

    If you want to be a apart of those 15K-22K a year that die from lung cancer or 100K who die from a smoking related illness. Go ahead. However, do not make me or your child one of the 3.5K a year that die from second hand smoke.

    The funny thing with smoking apologist, it is like they are only only hurting themselves. Smoke goes where ever the prevailing wind takes it. You want to smoke in a bar keep the smoke to yourself.[/QUOTE]

    Thanks for the PM!

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    [QUOTE=bitonti]yeah just like there's damn little evidence for global warming right fish?[/QUOTE]

    Ok Bit, here's your challenge for the day. Find me ONE Death Cirtificate where the cause is listed as "Second Hand Smoke Exposure".

    Good luck. :rolleyes:

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