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    “John McCain is tanking,”

    New Hampshire is among the states that allow independents to vote in either party’s primary. It was their support that gave McCain his huge primary victory there over then-Texas Gov. George W. Bush in 2000.

    If the senator is losing that base, it opens the GOP race to other challengers. And it weakens his strongest pitch to Republican die-hards - namely that his appeal to independents makes him the most electable candidate in the general election.

    “It’s significant that McCain is going down rather than up at this critical juncture in the early maneuvering,” comments Larry Sabato, who chairs the University of Virginia’s Center for Politics. “It suggests that, contrary to conventional wisdom, John McCain may not be secure as the GOP front-runner. But a lot can change.”

    The big question for 2008: Where will all those independents end up?

    http://news.bostonherald.com/editori...ticleid=177706

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    remeber when Howard Dean was unquestionably the frontrunner for the Dems in 2004, so much so that he made the cover of Rolling Stone?

    It just proves that nothing is ever definite or set in stone. Predicting this kind of stuff is like betting on the NFL

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    Quote Originally Posted by pauliec
    remeber when Howard Dean was unquestionably the frontrunner for the Dems in 2004, so much so that he made the cover of Rolling Stone?

    It just proves that nothing is ever definite or set in stone. Predicting this kind of stuff is like betting on the NFL
    Guiliani

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    WOW.

    If there is one state that can truly forecast how things can go on the eastern half of the country, it's NH. This is big, the fact that McCain has lost ground there based on how NH has foreshadowed other primaries and elections as well, has got to be the most credible fact to look at that McCain might not be the front runner over here.

    Leaves the door wide open for Romney and Giuliani for the time being.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RutgersJetFan
    WOW.

    If there is one state that can truly forecast how things can go on the eastern half of the country, it's NH. This is big, the fact that McCain has lost ground there based on how NH has foreshadowed other primaries and elections as well, has got to be the most credible fact to look at that McCain might not be the front runner over here.

    Leaves the door wide open for Romney and Giuliani for the time being.
    I see it like this: 911 Hero (G-Man) Iraq and more troops Goat (McCain)

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    No one wants McCain except the Left

    No wonder libs love McCain...he knocks the religious right, legislates
    against free speech, & is weak on borders/immigration.

    Maybe they can switch to the GOP, vote for him,
    then switch back.

    Thats about the only way he will get the nod.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flushingjet
    No wonder libs love McCain...he knocks the religious right, legislates
    against free speech, & is weak on borders/immigration.

    Maybe they can switch to the GOP, vote for him,
    then switch back.

    Thats about the only way he will get the nod.
    I don't know many "libs" that love McCain....

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    here (famous black conservative wrote this)
    http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl...03/ai_n8878983
    here (lib comment #1-take their word for it)
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/12/2/131837/654
    here (lib comment #2-if you dont agree with the previous...)
    http://www.slate.com/id/2139775/
    here (more lib comments)
    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=5080836
    here (rw blog pointer to UPI....press agency)
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1591663/posts
    here (other excerpts)
    http://www.gunowners.org/mcdisguise.htm

    id rather vote for a slice of mccain pizza, than the man,
    and mccain pizza isnt worthy to hand out for a free
    school lunch.

    any one a lib thinks is a maverick, pragmatic, or
    a "dissident" GOPer is well, a lib

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    what did you expect would happen after he hitched his ride to the miserable failure that is Bush

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    Here are 7 pages (1 cut and paste) for you to make your own decision about "libs" and McCain....from today's HuffPo

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/0...k_n_38959.html

    McCain's support for escalating the war is a deal killer for many of us who would support him otherwise.

    http://www.newsprism.com...
    By: dictatortot on January 18, 2007 at 11:06am
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    Not only will truly patriotic voters in New Hampshire support the brave patronization offered by John McCain, but their fervor will raise to the point where every voter will be scared not to vote for him!

    Let's face it - John McCain will get the vote of 100% of all patriotic citizens of New Hampshire as well as the rest of America once he employs the best tactic of all - pure fear. Anyone who does not vote for McCain hates America. Not voting for McCain makes baby Jesus cry. Every vote for McCain kills a terrorist. The second any voter does not vote for McCain, their children will be recruited by homosexuals, their wives will be seduced by secular humanists, and their pets and homes will be burned by islamofascists.

    John McCain can and will say and do anything to be elected - and the voters can not wait for him to do it!
    By: MplsMike on January 18, 2007 at 11:08am
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    Too bad. I was hoping the fools would run this bastard. By 2008 he will be defeated by any Dem that could walk and chew gum at the same time.
    Used to think McCain walked on water until he went off the mountain. He could have run with John Kerry and we'd have a much different outlook today because he would have been veep instead of Darth, and Junior would be in Paraguay falling off his bike.
    By: senorGASpressure on January 18, 2007 at 11:29am
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    -- McCain's support for escalating the war is a deal killer for many of us who would support him otherwise. By: dictatortot --

    then you're in luck ... once he sees these numbers Mr. Flippity-Floppity will turn on a dime and come out four squares against escalation and for bringing the troops home ... just like he flipped to play lapdog for Jerry Falwell, who he had condemned in the previous election cycle
    By: Nano on January 18, 2007 at 11:31am
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    Ah, so sad. At least he has a cartoon based on him. AMERICAN DAD.

    McCain is a hall of fame son of a *****. Keating 5 for life.

    The dude was born in PANAMA, he couln't be President anyway.
    By: Hayduke on January 18, 2007 at 11:31am
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    Dear John,
    You can not go around kissing the ass of every warmongering evangelical and expect people to think you have an answer.
    Perhaps you and Joe Lieberman can open a hot dog stand and call it JJ's.
    You once made statements that were worth listening to, but now the crew of JJ's has disgraced itself with their warmongering, Israeli supporting, screw America and the American people attitude!
    How it feel to be just a "Common Bastard"?

    PEACE a pro-life action!
    By: LibertyWatch on January 18, 2007 at 11:33am
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    We in New Hampshire are stubborn, hard working, cut-off your nose to spite your face Yankees but we don't like the smell of bull****. Go away McCain.
    By: AbbieHoffmansGhost on January 18, 2007 at 11:35am
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    It isn't hard to understand why people are rejecting a troop surge.

    Unlike the administration and Senator McCain, Americans can see that our TACTICAL DECISIONS have been disasterous. Americans no longer want to leave the most mobile and firepower intensive army in the world stuck on street corners in Baghdad waiting to be blown to pieces.

    Enough. Get em out of there.

    **
    By: wedgie on January 18, 2007 at 11:36am
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    Good one Mike!!

    Yes, pure fear. That and more warmongering.. these are the benchmarks of moral losers such as McCain.
    Once a viable candidate; McCain gave up any credibility when he turned yellow from Bush/Rove and the swiftboating in Carolina, and now that he's pals with Jerry Falwell and seeks escalating BushCo's massive fiasco, McCain is FINIT.. done for. Irrelevant, pathetic and finished. Say bye bye, Johnny.
    By: nc06 on January 18, 2007 at 11:37am
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    I also changed my mind about this senator. Hope he will not get far in the primaries. A man who still believes we can win in Iraq under president Bush's command and under his failed policies is in delusion and anyone in that stage can't be put in charge of our country - again. Look what has happened to us the last 6 years.
    By: dantanna on January 18, 2007 at 11:37am
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    John McCain isn't an intellectual giant. He is simply cunning. That is why is now in trouble with the independent voters. In plotting his campaign he early on McCain decided to become mini Bush, such a miscalculation. He's stuck now and will have to make a virtue out of his shortcomings. In order to save face he tells us that his convictions are so strong, that he is willing to risk his Presidential aspirations. Mr. McCain, we have seen your supposed convictions, and they are very flexible. You lose.
    By: Boudica on January 18, 2007 at 11:37am
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    MR. MC. CANN
    IF you would only have stayed with the people
    and fought back against BUSH, THE FAR RIGHT AND THE BRIBES AND SELLING OF VOTES IN LEADERSHIP IN THE CONGRESS AND THE SENATE OF YOUR REPUBLICAN FRIENDS.
    THAT all it would of took myslef as a VETERAN OF THE SAME WAR always looked up to you but when you sold your self to the greed and backroom people you lost the real people the comon man , I'm sorry but you did it to your slef.
    3,009 killied over 30,000 plus wounded and you wanted to send more foolish man.
    By: pastvet on January 18, 2007 at 11:39am
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    Friends don't let friends hug Rasputin... err Jerry Falwell.
    By: Grunty1 on January 18, 2007 at 11:41am
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    The lazy and overfed Corporate Media likes to draw very simple cartoon caricatures of public figures and peddle these stick figures to a dumbed-down audience. Sometimes this is because the print/TV infotainers become truly infatuated with their subjects, and are thrilled to lick up whatever the object of their affection puts down.

    For years now, the media has eagerly pimped the comic-book version of John McCain, which transforms him into Straight-Talkin' Maverick John McCain. All of the voluminous evidence that McCain has to screw on his pants every morning like most other politicians is conveniently ignored or tossed down the Memory Hole.

    Our star "news" infotainers are easily bought by a politician who sets a good table and hangs out and parties with the press during campaign travels; professional pols are usually personable and charming, after all-- duh. It used to be that serious reporters knew that it was unethical and unwise to become partial or too familiar with politicians. No more-- they all go to the same cocktail parties.

    Even so, it seems as if the public is finally beginning to see through the soft-sell on McCain. And if his popularity fades away, you can bet that the media spokespersons will jump off the Straight Talk Express like rats from a sinking ship.

    (And they'll swim right over to the next Express-- the Obamarama Express, perhaps-- as soon as it appears over the horizon.)
    By: LittleBrother on January 18, 2007 at 11:43am
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    If McCain is so hot to continue to escalate the war in Iraq then he should get his ass out on the floor of the Senate and introduce a bill to re-instate the draft.

    McCain has killed himself by shoving his nose so far up Bush's ass.
    By: Tom95134 on January 18, 2007 at 11:44am
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    29% you say, couldn't happen to a nicer guy, and guess what, when he goes he takes Lieberman with him.
    Makes me laugh out loud.
    By: thgy on January 18, 2007 at 11:46am
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    The very last part of that Boston Herald article said that the independents who are abandoning McCain are mostly remaining undecided, but a few are going towards Guliani and a few towards Obama.

    That struck me as odd, going from McCain to Obama is a huge ideological leap. These independents must not vote on ideology but on personality or something. McCain and Obama are about as far apart politically as you can get.
    By: SteveS on January 18, 2007 at 11:50am
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    McCain knows that US support for Israel's brutal oppression of the Palestinians was the PRIMARY MOTIVATION for the tragic attacks on the World Trade Center in 1993 and on 9/11 but continues to support the war on terror spending BILLIONS in the process when the support for Israel should have been cut instead:

    US Support of Israel's BRUTAL OPPRESSION of the Palestinians PRIMARY MOTIVATION for tragic attacks on the World Trade Center in 1993 and on 9/11:

    http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/zone0...ic.php?t=39590...
    By: SAVEAMERICAFROMAIPAC on January 18, 2007 at 11:53am
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    Well, why not? He's lost support everywhere else! Just because New England as a tropical paradise through December doesn't mean their brains are mush!

    By the way...


    John McCain can and will say and do anything to be elected - and the voters can not wait for him to do it!
    By: MplsMike on January 18, 2007 at 11:08am
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    Mike, is that really you, or a satirical wanna be??? If so, why the name change??

    PEACE
    By: braindeadsorry on January 18, 2007 at 11:53am
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    Let's hope John McCain is exposed for the right wing opportunist that he really is. New Hampshire is waking up early, and let's hope the rest of the nation catches on as quickly. McCain's stance on the Iraq war is more delusional mistepping that will cost Iraq and America more in blood.

    As it concerns his integrity, and where he will point this nation if elected, this is just the tip of the iceberg. McCain makes cozy with the press and he gets "nice guy" coverage. Appears on SNL and tells a joke. Kind of reminds one of a 2000 candidate who played the press, stole the election, and then undermined the constitution for his own cynical needs.

    Make no mistake about it:

    JOHN McCAIN IS BUSH WITH HALF A BRAIN.

    Which of course, makes him 2x more dangerous than W.
    By: jogger on January 18, 2007 at 11:54am
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    John 'Israel first' McCain should be labeled at the 'Neoconian Candidate' because he is a favorite of AEI and will fall over himself to support the coming war with Iran which will be for Israel as well just like Iraq has been:


    FT: The Neocons' route to disaster:

    http://www.itszone.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=66515...

    Watching the slow-motion march to war with Iran

    http://www.itszone.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=66522...
    By: SAVEAMERICAFROMAIPAC on January 18, 2007 at 11:55am
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    mccain is bloated with stupidity. And we are so lucky.
    By: theswan on January 18, 2007 at 11:56am
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    If McCain is so hot to continue to escalate the war in Iraq then he should get his ass out on the floor of the Senate and introduce a bill to re-instate the draft.

    McCain has killed himself by shoving his nose so far up Bush's ass.
    By: Tom95134 on January 18, 2007 at 11:44am

    By supporting escalation McCain is on the wrong side of public opinion, and he has sold out to the religious right.

    But he at least has a son in the Marines, who now will likely be sent to Baghdad on insurgent patrol.

    Give him that.
    By: Paul on January 18, 2007 at 11:58am
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    More on McCain:

    http://www.dissidentvoice.org/July2004/Hughes0712.htm...

    http://www.rense.com/Datapages/usslib.htm...
    By: SAVEAMERICAFROMAIPAC on January 18, 2007 at 12:00pm
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    McCain and Obama are about as far apart politically as you can get.
    By: SteveS on January 18, 2007 at 11:50am

    Not if you still look at McCain as the "maverick" Republican who isn't afraid of working with Democrats.
    By: Grunty1 on January 18, 2007 at 12:00pm
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    great analysis non-genius-W and mccain are arch-rivals / nemeses

    leave political analysis to the pros like tonto, benedawgg and dumbmarine
    Last edited by flushingjet; 01-18-2007 at 06:06 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RutgersJetFan
    WOW.

    If there is one state that can truly forecast how things can go on the eastern half of the country, it's NH. This is big, the fact that McCain has lost ground there based on how NH has foreshadowed other primaries and elections as well, has got to be the most credible fact to look at that McCain might not be the front runner over here.

    Leaves the door wide open for Romney and Giuliani for the time being.
    Giuliani is McCain's biggest problem, not Romney; Giuliani is sucking up the independents who would otherwise vote McCain. Personally, I haven't voted Republican in any national election, but I'd happily vote for either McCain or Giuliani.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flushingjet
    great analysis genius-W and mccain are arch-rivals / nemeses

    leave political analysis to the pros like tonto, benedawgg and dumbmarine
    JOHN McCAIN IS BUSH WITH HALF A BRAIN.

    A HuffPo classic!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by doggin94it
    Giuliani is McCain's biggest problem, not Romney; Giuliani is sucking up the independents who would otherwise vote McCain. Personally, I haven't voted Republican in any national election, but I'd happily vote for either McCain or Giuliani.
    Rudy over McCain for me.

    McCain has taken the wrong turn and it is costing him big time. With so much "fresh blood" in the election process and many newer voters who may have to serve in the military coming to the polls, it is not time to say you want more war and run for presidient

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