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    OT: 'Smoking gun' report to say global warming here

    MODS: Please don't move this, its equally as applicable to this board as all the other OT threads.

    The debate's been over for a number of years. It's here. Reading this type of news is never fun but its important to lift our heads out of the sand. BTW-Bush gives his state of the union address tonight and will implement a plan to reduce US gasoline consumption by 20% over the next 10 years, this is beneficial for a number of reasons, but you have to think the 4 precancerous sun lesions he had removed from his face and the skin cancer precursor his wife had removed from her leg might have influnced this decision. Plus the 70 degree days in January and the cherry blossoms blooming in December.

    This will undoubtedly get turned into a forum for the uninformed to vent their ignorant alternative theories for the rapidly increasing global temperatures and erratic weather patterns. Ignore them or debate with them as you choose. It won't change the FACTS. In the next 10-20 years this issue will trump the economy and war as the biggest issue in American politics because it will directly diminish our collective quality of life and the quality of life for our children. Start changing the way you live now.

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    WASHINGTON (AP) -- [B]Human-caused global warming is here -- visible in the air, water and melting ice -- and is destined to get much worse in the future, an authoritative global scientific report will warn next week[/B].

    "The smoking gun is definitely lying on the table as we speak," said top U.S. climate scientist Jerry Mahlman, who reviewed all 1,600 pages of the first segment of a giant four-part report. "The evidence ... is compelling."

    Andrew Weaver, a Canadian climate scientist and study co-author, went even further: [B]"This isn't a smoking gun; climate is a batallion of intergalactic smoking missiles."[/B]

    The first phase of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change is being released in Paris next week.

    [B]This segment, written by more than 600 scientists and reviewed by another 600 experts and edited by bureaucrats from 154 countries[/B], includes "a significantly expanded discussion of observation on the climate," said co-chair Susan Solomon a senior scientist for the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

    She and other scientists held a telephone briefing on the report Monday.

    That report will feature an "explosion of new data" on observations of current global warming, Solomon said.

    Solomon and others wouldn't go into specifics about what the report says.

    They said that the 12-page summary for policymakers will be edited in secret word-by-word by governments officials for several days next week and released to the public on February 2. The rest of that first report from scientists will come out months later.

    The full report will be issued in four phases over the year, as was the case with the last IPCC report, issued in 2001.

    [B]Global warming is "happening now, it's very obvious," said Mahlman, a former director of NOAA's Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Lab[/B]. "When you look at the temperature of the Earth, it's pretty much a no-brainer."

    Look for an "iconic statement" -- a simple but strong and unequivocal summary -- on how global warming is now occurring, said one of the authors, Kevin Trenberth, director of climate analysis at the National Center for Atmospheric Research, also in Boulder.

    The February report will have "much stronger evidence now of human actions on the change in climate that's taken place," Rajendra K. Pachauri told the AP in November. Pachauri, an Indian climatologist, is the head of the international climate change panel.

    An early version of the ever-changing draft report said "observations of coherent warming in the global atmosphere, in the ocean, and in snow and ice now provide stronger joint evidence of warming."

    And the early draft adds: [B]"An increasing body of evidence suggests a discernible human influence on other aspects of climate including sea ice, heat waves and other extremes, circulation, storm tracks and precipitation."[/B]
    The world's global average temperature has risen about 1.2 degrees Fahrenheit from 1901 to 2005. The two warmest years on record for the world were 2005 and 1998. Last year was the hottest year on record for the United States.

    The report will draw on already published peer-review science. Some recent scientific studies show that temperatures are the hottest in thousands of years, especially during the last 30 years; ice sheets in Greenland in the past couple years have shown a dramatic melting; and sea levels are rising and doing so at a faster rate in the past decade.

    Also, the second part of the international climate panel's report -- to be released in April -- will for the first time feature a blockbuster chapter on how global warming is already changing health, species, engineering and food production, said NASA scientist Cynthia Rosenzweig, author of that chapter.

    [B]As confident as scientists are about the global warming effects that they've already documented, they are as gloomy about the future and even hotter weather and higher sea level rises. [/B]

    Predictions for the future of global warming in the report are based on 19 computer models, about twice as many as in the past, Solomon said.

    In 2001, the panel said the world's average temperature would increase somewhere between 2.5 and 10.4 degrees Fahrenheit and the sea level would rise between 4 inches and 35 inches by the year 2100. The 2007 report will likely have a smaller range of numbers for both predictions, Pachauri and other scientists said.

    The future is bleak, scientists said.

    [B]"We have barely started down this path," [/B] said chapter co-author Richard Alley of Penn State University.

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    What caused the Ice Age?? :eek:

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    haha they moved it.

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    We Didn't Listen!!!!!!!!!!!!! We Didn't Listen!!!!!! Global Warming, Aaaaaaggghhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    LOL at "mods, please don't move this"

    Welcome to the dark bowels of JI, the Politics forum.

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    Oh God, Al Gore was right. :eek:

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    WHat do people think that the world is ending since Brady choked last weekend?

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    [QUOTE=SBIIICHAMPS]haha they moved it.[/QUOTE]

    I know . . . so arbitrary.

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    hmmmm. Let's see. First in the 70's we were being warned about Global cooling. Newsweek comes out with a cover article that shows the earth practically frozen. So I guess in twenty years we have so damaged the earth that we have now reversed that trend? In addition you are suggesting I watch Inconvenient Truth. A film created by a former politician..Not even a scientist? I am to believe that Leonardo DiCaprio, Cameron Diaz and the other eco nuts, who probably cannot spell without their PR person's help are experts in this field? I suggest you look at the facts:

    The history of the modern environmental movement is chock full of predictions of doom that never came true. We have all heard the dire predictions about the threat of overpopulation, resource scarcity, mass starvation, and the projected death of our oceans. None of these predictions came true, yet it never stopped the doomsayers from continuing to predict a dire environmental future.

    The more the eco-doomsayers’ predictions fail, the more the eco-doomsayers predict.

    Or try this link that debunks everything that Gore says

    [url]http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YmFiZDAyMWFhMGIxNTgwNGIyMjVkZjQ4OGFiZjFlNjc=[/url]

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    pfffttt.... more like "Gore-bal" warming. The world is fine. It's like a zillion and 1 years old. Not like it hasn't been warmed before.

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    [QUOTE=jamesangleton]hmmmm. Let's see. First in the 70's we were being warned about Global cooling. Newsweek comes out with a cover article that shows the earth practically frozen. So I guess in twenty years we have so damaged the earth that we have now reversed that trend? In addition you are suggesting I watch Inconvenient Truth. A film created by a former politician..Not even a scientist? I am to believe that Leonardo DiCaprio, Cameron Diaz and the other eco nuts, who probably cannot spell without their PR person's help are experts in this field? I suggest you look at the facts:

    The history of the modern environmental movement is chock full of predictions of doom that never came true. We have all heard the dire predictions about the threat of overpopulation, resource scarcity, mass starvation, and the projected death of our oceans. None of these predictions came true, yet it never stopped the doomsayers from continuing to predict a dire environmental future.

    The more the eco-doomsayers’ predictions fail, the more the eco-doomsayers predict.

    Or try this link that debunks everything that Gore says

    [url]http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YmFiZDAyMWFhMGIxNTgwNGIyMjVkZjQ4OGFiZjFlNjc=[/url][/QUOTE]


    James, with all due respect, you and Piper are part of the solid minority who have very strong opinions against global warming. I have debated this topic with several of your kind and understand that nothing I say will change your mind one iota. Unfortunately, for many of you it is a black and white issue and at some point you ceased allowing new information to affect your decision. I can only hope that our future leaders, the people that will truly be able to change our reliance on fossil fuels don't share your myopia or debilitating certainty.

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    [QUOTE=Blair Thomas]I know . . . so arbitrary.[/QUOTE]

    Not arbitrary at all. The ONE topic that gets insta-moved on this site is Politics/Current Events/Religion/Science Debate.

    If it's hot, if it's gonna cause a ruckus, and if Politics is in any way involved, the thread gets a quick jack to here....our dark little corner of JI.

    Welcome. Better leave you Soul at the Door. :D

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    [QUOTE=Warfish]Not arbitrary at all. The ONE topic that gets insta-moved on this site is Politics/Current Events/Religion/Science Debate.

    If it's hot, if it's gonna cause a ruckus, and if Politics is in any way involved, the thread gets a quick jack to here....our dark little corner of JI.

    Welcome. Better leave you Soul at the Door. :D[/QUOTE]

    Resigned lol.

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    [QUOTE=Blair Thomas]part of the solid minority who have very strong opinions against global warming.[/QUOTE]

    Everyone supports stopping Global Warming (now more accurately called Climate Change) when discussing inactive theory.

    But when it comes to actually DOING something, or GIVING UP something, or worst of all, PAYING MORE for something, I promise you.....your "support" goes right out the window.

    I assume Blair, that you walk or ride a Bike to work each day, correct? Please, don't tell me you drive or take a Train or Bus.......

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    Trust me, I realize you can't keep putting stuff up in the sky and not have an affect, BUT itsn't if funny that when the weatherpersons talk about breaking a HI record, it's always one set a hundred years ago?!?! Funny, but that's always the way it seems. :D

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    [QUOTE=Warfish]Everyone supports stopping Global Warming (now more accurately called Climate Change) when discussing inactive theory.

    But when it comes to actually DOING something, or GIVING UP something, or worst of all, PAYING MORE for something, I promise you.....your "support" goes right out the window.

    I assume Blair, that you walk or ride a Bike to work each day, correct? Please, don't tell me you drive or take a Train or Bus.......[/QUOTE]
    Does having the smaller V-8 in my F150 count? :rolleyes:

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    [QUOTE=chesapeakejet]Trust me, I realize you can't keep putting stuff up in the sky and not have an affect, BUT itsn't if funny that when the weatherpersons talk about breaking a HI record, it's always one set a hundred years ago?!?! Funny, but that's always the way it seems. :D[/QUOTE]
    That's because we had that big 'global cooling' scare in the middle :P

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    [QUOTE=Warfish]Everyone supports stopping Global Warming (now more accurately called Climate Change) when discussing inactive theory.

    But when it comes to actually DOING something, or GIVING UP something, or worst of all, PAYING MORE for something, I promise you.....your "support" goes right out the window.

    I assume Blair, that you walk or ride a Bike to work each day, correct? Please, don't tell me you drive or take a Train or Bus.......[/QUOTE]

    I live in manhattan so I'm able to walk everywhere. I keep a car in New Jersey for which I've bought a TerraPass, which enables me to buy "carbon credits", for however much CO2 my car puts into the I pay to cancel it out by putting money toward renewable resources so there is no net increase.

    Fish: I'm not a tree-hugger and i certainly don't want or expect us to give up transportation or energy consumption. I am just saying that we need to curb our excesses and be responsible for our effect on the planet. It IS possible to find a balance between consumption and conservation.

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