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    Ahmadinejad: Be assured that the US and Israel will soon end lives

    [QUOTE][B]Iran: Israel, US will soon die
    Ahmadinejad: Be assured that the US and Israel will soon end lives

    Yaakov Lappin Published: 01.23.07, 22:24 [/B]

    Israel and the United States will soon be destroyed, Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Tuesday during a meeting with Syria's foreign minister, the Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting (IRIB) website said in a report. Iran's official FARS news agency also reported the comments.

    "Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad… assured that the United States and the Zionist regime of Israel will soon come to the end of their lives," the Iranian president was quoted as saying.

    "Sparking discord among Muslims, especially between the Shiites and Sunnis, is a plot hatched by the Zionists and the US for dominating regional nations and looting their resources," Ahmadinejad added, according to the report.

    The Iranian president also directly tied events in Lebanon to a wider plan aimed at Israel's destruction. He called on "regional countries" to "support the Islamic resistance of the Lebanese people and strive to enhance solidarity and unity among the different Palestinian groups in a bid to pave the ground for the undermining of the Zionist regime whose demise is, of course, imminent."

    Ahmadinejad has threatened the State of Israel with annihilation several times in recent months, and has recently added the US and Britain to the list of countries he says will be destroyed.

    Syria's Foreign Minister, Wailed Mualem, accused the US of attempting to carry out a "massacre of Muslims" and of sowing "discord among Islamic faiths in the region."

    Mualem called on "regional states to pave the ground for the establishment of peace and tranquillity… while preventing further genocide of the Muslims," the IRIB website said.


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    [url]http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3356154,00.html[/url]

    we need more dialouge with this man...we really need to find out and understand why he says these things...it must be America's fault...it must be due to the sabre rattling of GWB... :rolleyes:

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY][url]http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3356154,00.html[/url]

    we need more dialouge with this man...we really need to find out and understand why he says these things...it must be America's fault...it must be due to the sabre rattling of GWB... :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]


    even a top, well respected cleric in Iran criticized Ahmendinejad for accelerating their nuclear program so quickly. This guy is clearly out of his mind.

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    The question that needs to be asked is this...

    Would American/Israeli airstrikes effectively delay/destory the potential Iranian ability to build the bomb?

    If the answer is yes... then I could actually support going forward with that tactic in the next 12 months should UN and other sanctions fail.
    My hope would be that the process could be slowed/delayed until Ahmadinejad is removed from his position or becomes a non-factor.

    I don't believe that the Iranian populace is stupid, nor do I believe that they are willing to allow their country to revert to third world status to follow this ding dong to the end of the earth. Prior to the Mullahs clamping down, Iran was slowly changing.... now that change has been halted, but I think the desire of the populace (in particular the younger generation) is still there.

    Anyways.... I just hope that pray that we never see American troops on Iranian soil in any large capacity, because I think it would literally produce a death count to rival WW2.

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    The "Wipe Israel Off The Map" Hoax

    What Ahmadinejad really said and why this broken record is just another ad slogan for war

    Paul Joseph Watson

    Friday, January 26, 2007

    [COLOR=Blue][B]Barely a day goes by that one can avoid reading or hearing yet another Israeli, American or British warhawk regurgitate the broken record that Iran's President Ahmadinejad threatened to "wipe Israel off the map," framed in the ridiculous context that Israelis are being targeted for a second holocaust. This baseless rallying call for conflict holds about as much credibility as Dick Cheney's assertion that Saddam Hussein was planning to light up American skies with mushroom clouds.[/B][/COLOR]

    Today it's the turn of would-be future British Prime Minister David Cameron, leader of the Conservative Party, who repeated the "wipe Israel off he map" fraud in a speech at the World Economic Forum in Davos, using it to qualify his refusal to rule out a military strike on Iran under a Tory government.

    Did Ahmadinejad really threaten to "wipe Israel off the map" or is this phrase just another jingoistic brand slogan for selling the next war in the Middle East?

    The devil is in the detail, wiping Israel off the map suggests a physical genocidal assault, a literal population relocation or elimination akin to what the Nazis did. According to numerous different translations, Ahmadinejad never used the word "map," instead his statement was in the context of time and applied to the Zionist regime occupying Jerusalem. Ahmadinejad was expressing his future hope that the Zionist regime in Israel would fall, not that Iran was going to physically annex the country and its population.

    To claim Ahmadinejad has issued a rallying cry to ethnically cleanse Israel is akin to saying that Churchill wanted to murder all Germans when he stated his desire to crush the Nazis. This is about the demise of a corrupt occupying power, not the deaths of millions of innocent people.

    The Guardian's Jonathan Steele cites four different translations, from professors to the BBC to the New York Times and even pro-Israel news outlets, in none of those translations is the word "map" used. The closest translation to what the Iranian President actually said is, "The regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time," or a narrow relative thereof. In no version is the word "map" used or a context of mass genocide or hostile military action even hinted at.

    The acceptance of the word "map" seemingly originated with the New York Times, who later had to back away from this false translation. The BBC also wrongly used the word and, in comments to Steele, later accepted their mistake but refused to issue a retraction.

    "The fact that he compared his desired option - the elimination of "the regime occupying Jerusalem" - with the fall of the Shah's regime in Iran makes it crystal clear that he is talking about regime change, not the end of Israel. As a schoolboy opponent of the Shah in the 1970's he surely did not favor Iran's removal from the page of time. He just wanted the Shah out," writes Steele.

    "It's important to note that the "quote" in question was itself a quote, writes Arash Norouzi, "they are the words of the late Ayatollah Khomeini, the father of the Islamic Revolution. Although he quoted Khomeini to affirm his own position on Zionism, the actual words belong to Khomeini and not Ahmadinejad. Thus, Ahmadinejad has essentially been credited (or blamed) for a quote that is not only unoriginal, but represents a viewpoint already in place well before he ever took office."

    Professor Juan Cole concurs, arguing, "Now, some might say, "So he didn't say, 'wipe off the map,' he said 'erase from the page.' What's the difference? Anyway he's saying he wants to get rid of Israel.[COLOR=Blue] [B]Ahmadinejad was not making a threat, he was quoting a saying of Khomeini and urging that pro-Palestinian activists in Iran not give up hope -- that the occupation of Jerusalem was no more a continued inevitability than had been the hegemony of the Shah's government. [/B] [/COLOR] Whatever this quotation from a decades-old speech of Khomeini may have meant, Ahmadinejad did not say that 'Israel must be wiped off the map' with the implication that phrase has of Nazi-style extermination of a people. He said that the occupation regime over Jerusalem must be erased from the page of time."

    Let's consider for a moment that Ahmadinejad really does wish to initiate a nuclear war on Israel, is this feasible? It would be like Paris Hilton picking a fight with Mike Tyson. [COLOR=Blue][B]The CIA's own estimates put Iran five to ten years away from being able to produce one nuclear bomb even if they were in the planning stages now, which is highly unlikely given that international inspectors have found no evidence of such a program and CIA satellite imagery also shows no proof of nuclear arms. Contrast this to an Israeli arsenal of anything up to 200 launch ready nukes allied to the might of the U.S. which has nearly 6,000 active warheads not to mention so-called "mini-nukes."[/B][/COLOR]While it can be reasonably argued that Iran is seeking a nuclear weapon at some point in the future, to then claim that this means Ahmadinejad wishes to enact a second holocaust is an unfathomable leap of logic. [COLOR=Blue][B]The real reason for any nation in that region trying to acquire a nuclear weapon is for self defense, because they are surrounded by other hostile powers that already have the bomb.[/B][/COLOR]

    Returning to the "wipe Israel off the map hoax," loathe are we to forget another of the commercial jingles concocted for hoodwinking Americans into attacking a certain other Middle Eastern country - "he used weapons of mass destruction against his own people," referring of course to Saddam Hussein's alleged role in the Halabja massacre where Iraqi Kurds were gassed. In reality, as former CIA analyst Stephen Pelletiere has revealed, Halabja came as a result of a battlefield exchange between the Iranians and the Iraqis after the Kurds had sided with the Iranians and allowed them to enter the city. According to the DIA's own report at the time, the type of gas that killed the Kurds was not used by the Iraqis but was used by the Iranians. The incident was a tragedy of war, not a directed program of genocide at the behest of Saddam Hussein.

    Whenever Bush administration officials and others used Halabja as a pretext for war, the mass media routinely failed to mention the DIA report, just as they have failed to provide any balance on the real meaning of Ahmadinejad's statement, despite the fact that it is completely distorted almost every day and used as a call to arms as well as a propagandistic ploy to convince western populations that dark skinned invaders are hell-bent on their wholesale destruction.

    [url]http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2007/260107offthemap.htm[/url]

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    [QUOTE]"Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad… assured that the United States and the Zionist [B]regime[/B] of Israel will soon come to the end of their lives," the Iranian president was quoted as saying. [/QUOTE]

    While i do think Ahmedinnejad is an idiot and likely insane, lets be clear about what he really said. He is talking about getting rid of regimes, governments , not the citizens. He did not say he is going to wipe the NATION or PEOPLE of Israel/USA off the map of the earth.


    BTW, Jetdawwg has posted a very good article, showing how the war-hawks of this country have manipulated the words of this jacka$$ to create a false threat to our security. Shame on them. I hope Americans have learned the lessons from the drive to invading Iraq well enough not to make the same mistake with Iran

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    [QUOTE=kennyo7]While i do think Ahmedinnejad is an idiot and likely insane, lets be clear about what he really said. He is talking about getting rid of regimes, governments , not the citizens. He did not say he is going to wipe the NATION or PEOPLE of Israel/USA off the map of the earth. [/QUOTE]

    I don't think this is the guy who should be given the benefit of the doubt :cool:

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    [QUOTE=kennyo7]While i do think Ahmedinnejad is an idiot and likely insane, lets be clear about what he really said. He is talking about getting rid of regimes, governments , not the citizens. He did not say he is going to wipe the NATION or PEOPLE of Israel/USA off the map of the earth.


    BTW, Jetdawwg has posted a very good article, showing how the [B]war-hawks of this country have manipulated the words of this jacka$$[/B] to create a false threat to our security. Shame on them. I hope Americans have learned the lessons from the drive to invading Iraq well enough not to make the same mistake with Iran[/QUOTE]

    I just get a little tired of the one sidedness on this issue. This guy is a jerk, but get his words straight at least.

    Also what about the CIA section highlghted in [COLOR=Blue]BLUE[/COLOR]?

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    [QUOTE=LI2OH]I don't think this is the guy who should be given the benefit of the doubt :cool:[/QUOTE]

    So should we undertake a military invasion of Iran to overthrow him and set up a government thats to our liking????

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    [QUOTE=Jetdawgg]I just get a little tired of the one sidedness on this issue. This guy is a jerk, but get his words straight at least.

    Also what about the CIA section highlghted in [COLOR=Blue]BLUE[/COLOR]?[/QUOTE]

    One of the biggest problems we have with Iran is our lack of intelligence in that country. We really do not know what nuclear capabilities thay have, if any. We dont have a clear understanding of the nuts and bolts of their politics. This is really sad. Perhaps if we started to talk to the Iranians instead of shutting them out, we might get a better insight into what is happening in that country.

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    [QUOTE=kennyo7]One of the biggest problems we have with Iran is our lack of intelligence in that country. We really do not know what nuclear capabilities thay have, if any. We dont have a clear understanding of the nuts and bolts of their politics. This is really sad. Perhaps if we started to talk to the Iranians instead of shutting them out, we might get a better insight into what is happening in that country.[/QUOTE]

    Ken, I agree with you. And dialog is less costly than war. I find it peculiar that these war hawks call themselves [COLOR=Red]"conservatives"[/COLOR]

    I still think that peole forgot that the intelligence from Iraq was another [B]fumble [/B] by this administration

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    [QUOTE=Jetdawgg]I just get a little tired of the one sidedness on this issue. This guy is a jerk, but get his words straight at least.

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    Unbelievable. He tried to convince people the Holocaust never happened. Why should he be given the benefit of the doubt??

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    [QUOTE=kennyo7]So should we undertake a military invasion of Iran to overthrow him and set up a government thats to our liking????[/QUOTE]

    holly extremes batman!!!!

    NO, but saying he only wants to distroy our government is giving him 2 much credit. :cool:

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    [QUOTE=pauliec]Unbelievable. He tried to convince people the Holocaust never happened. Why should he be given the benefit of the doubt??[/QUOTE]


    Is it me or are folks on this board becoming the "thought police?"

    Isn't he allowed to have his own thoughts?

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    [QUOTE=Jetdawgg]Is it me or are folks on this board becoming the "thought police?"

    Isn't he allowed to have his own thoughts?[/QUOTE]

    wow....I guess he should be "allowed" to deny attempted elimination of the Jews but that doesn't exactly make him someone to be trusted or sane for that matter

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    [QUOTE=Jetdawgg]Is it me or are folks on this board becoming the "thought police?"

    Isn't he allowed to have his own thoughts?[/QUOTE]



    LOL. Anti-semetism isn't a "thought".

    That would be like me saying, "I don't know what blacks are always complaining about, slavery wasn't that bad. The 'slaves' were given free room and board."

    See, that's a "thought", too. Doesn't make it right.

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    [QUOTE=LI2OH]wow....I guess he should be "allowed" to deny attempted elimination of the Jews but that doesn't exactly make him someone to be trusted or sane for that matter[/QUOTE]

    I only said that he should be allowed to have his own thoughts.

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    [QUOTE=pauliec]He tried to convince people the Holocaust never happened.[/QUOTE]

    [QUOTE=Jetdawgg]Is it me or are folks on this board becoming the "thought police?"[/QUOTE]

    This Dawgg, marks you. You support defending a man who has repeatedly claimed the Holocaust never happened, and wants to perform the same kind of "regime change (or worse)" on Israel you find so distateful and evil when WE do it.

    You are a disgrace for doing so. You and Ken, who also agrees with the Holocaust Denials Club, deserve each other.

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    [QUOTE=Warfish]This Dawgg, marks you. You support defending a man who has repeatedly claimed the Holocaust never happened, and wants to perform the same kind of "regime change (or worse)" on Israel you find so distateful and evil when WE do it.

    You are a disgrace for doing so. You and Ken, who also agrees with the Holocaust Denials Club, deserve each other.[/QUOTE]

    I am agreeing that he should be free to think his mind.

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    [QUOTE=Jetdawgg]I am agreeing that he should be free to think his mind.[/QUOTE]

    Did the Holocaust happen as American History teaches it Dawgg, yes or no?

    If no, you tell us right now what you think our History is being dishonest about.

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    [QUOTE=Warfish]Did the Holocaust happen as American History teaches it Dawgg, yes or no?

    If no, you tell us right now what you think our History is being dishonest about.[/QUOTE]

    I never questioned the thought that it did not happen. Where did you get that from?

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