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Thread: Interesting Sidebar to the Anti-War Protests in DC

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    Interesting Sidebar to the Anti-War Protests in DC

    One not getting any coverage, beyond the local AM Conservative Radio Host on WMAL.

    Apparently, during the protest as teh Capital, a group of ~300 protesters climbed the steps, and started to spraypaint them with slogans. Obviosuly, this is quite illegal.

    However, the top man in the Capital Police ordered his officers to allow the defacement, on the basis that (as he put it) "these protesters are looking for a fight, and we will not give them one".

    The questions then are three: one is of rule of law, should the police have enforced the law and stopped the vandals from their defacement. Should they have been arrested? Stopped, but let free? Or was leaving them alone the best choice?

    Two is the future....how will protesters push the envelope harder next time when their goal is confrontation and making the media. Will they push the envelope, or do you think vandalism and defacement of Govt. property is as far as they'd go?

    Three is the results, should the Capital Police Leader be in some way disiplined for allowing illegal behavior to go on, not only under his watch, but on the very steps of the Capital Building, in today's security conscious environemnt.

    Of course, for the Looney Conspiracy Theorists among you, it is important to note that (per the radio reporting this morning) this top officer who made the call reports to some security master of the House, who in turn reports to Speaker Pelosi (as Speaker) of the House. Have fun with that. ;)

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    [QUOTE=Warfish]One not getting any coverage, beyond the local AM Conservative Radio Host on WMAL.


    [COLOR=Blue]The liberal media at work[/COLOR]

    Apparently, during the protest as teh Capital, a group of ~300 protesters climbed the steps, and started to spraypaint them with slogans. Obviosuly, this is quite illegal.

    [COLOR=Blue]
    True.[/COLOR]


    However, the top man in the Capital Police ordered his officers to allow the defacement, on the basis that (as he put it) "these protesters are looking for a fight, and we will not give them one".

    [COLOR=Blue]They may have been the police. Ever here of COINTELPRO? That was the name of the program the Police and other Gov't agencies used to infiltrate The Black Panthers in the 60's.[/COLOR]


    The questions then are three: one is of rule of law, should the police have enforced the law and stopped the vandals from their defacement. Should they have been arrested? Stopped, but let free? Or was leaving them alone the best choice?

    [COLOR=Blue]Can't answer this. They sound like they were the police to me. I would not be surprised based on my expericiences.[/COLOR]

    Two is the future....how will protesters push the envelope harder next time when their goal is confrontation and making the media. Will they push the envelope, or do you think vandalism and defacement of Govt. property is as far as they'd go?

    [COLOR=Blue]The right wingers go further than that. They blow up abortion clinics[/COLOR]

    Three is the results, should the Capital Police Leader be in some way disiplined for allowing illegal behavior to go on, not only under his watch, but on the very steps of the Capital Building, in today's security conscious environemnt.

    [COLOR=Blue]Again, sounds to me like they were the police. They would have been arrested.[/COLOR]


    Of course, for the Looney Conspiracy Theorists among you, it is important to note that (per the radio reporting this morning) this top officer who made the call reports to some security master of the House, who in turn reports to Speaker Pelosi (as Speaker) of the House. Have fun with that. ;)

    [COLOR=Blue]That same "liberal' station?[/COLOR]

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    [QUOTE=Warfish]Should they have been arrested? Stopped, but let free? Or was leaving them alone the best choice?[/QUOTE]

    They should be arrested for vandalism and public disorder. The protesters have no right to deface government property. While this crime is not extremely severe, law enforcement should have made an example out of them.

    [QUOTE]how will protesters push the envelope harder next time when their goal is confrontation and making the media. Will they push the envelope, or do you think vandalism and defacement of Govt. property is as far as they'd go?[/QUOTE]

    Some people will go to extremes to express their viewpoint. In this example, they have already gone too far, and it can only get worse from here on out.

    [QUOTE]should the Capital Police Leader be in some way disiplined for allowing illegal behavior to go on, not only under his watch, but on the very steps of the Capital Building, in today's security conscious environemnt.[/QUOTE]

    Yes, his job and responsibility is to enforce security and civility at the Capitol. He obviously failed with these protesters, and sent a message that nothing will be done about unruly behavior.

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    I am very pro-protesting this illegal invasion... however I am very anti any illegal behavior like defacing public buildings, especially one as beautiful as the Capital building


    so yes they should have been / should be arrested

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    using the rather reasonable logic of a JI political forum lunatic leftsist from a thread in which an Iraqi veteran was spit on at this same "peace protest", one can only wonder what the Capitol building did to provoke this attack......



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    Obviously a police reaction to the spray painting is exactly what is desired by these brand of protesters.

    I think the most intelligent decision would be to video record the event and ID as many offenders as possible. Then charges could be filed AFTER the protest and the offenders could be put to trial and in all likelyhood face stiff fines.

    I really think that going in and forcibly arresting them during the demonstration would be tactically stupid for the police and would put both them and protesters in a position where people could be hurt for a relatively minor offense.

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    I always find it intriguing and disturbing that protesters are always portrayed as a) hippies b) unemployed bums c) criminals.

    There are good reasons for protest, but it always seems that they are portrayed as "fringe" or "trouble makers."

    I am not condoning the behaviour of individuals who appear to be looking for trouble, but this is usually the only thing you ever see about protests and protesters.

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    I can just imagine the whole scenario now......

    "Cap! They're spray painting the Capital! What should we do?"

    "Hold there officer, we're going to wait here."

    "What?? But it's the Capital! Cap! We've got to do something, we can't let them do this!"

    "That's exactly what they'll be expecting us to do. Instead, we're going to sit here and wait. Do you hear me? We're going to sit here, and I'm going to drink coffee. Understand? And after that, I have a newspaper I'd like to read. Once that's over, hopefully they'll be done spraypainting the Capital and we can have the janitors clean it up. Ill be over here finding some non-dairy creamer, you let me know if they try to kill any Senators."

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    So I guess the protesters left in their BMW's all frustrated?

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    [QUOTE=CanadaSteve]I always find it intriguing and disturbing that protesters are always portrayed as a) hippies b) unemployed bums c) criminals.

    There are good reasons for protest, but it always seems that they are portrayed as "fringe" or "trouble makers."

    I am not condoning the behaviour of individuals who appear to be looking for trouble, but this is usually the only thing you ever see about protests and protesters.[/QUOTE]


    how many of these protests have you attended??

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    lousy, penniless hippies...

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    [QUOTE=CanadaSteve]I always find it intriguing and disturbing that protesters are always portrayed as a) hippies b) unemployed bums c) criminals.

    There are good reasons for protest, but it always seems that they are portrayed as "fringe" or "trouble makers."

    I am not condoning the behaviour of individuals who appear to be looking for trouble, but this is usually the only thing you ever see about protests and protesters.[/QUOTE]

    Me too. Their not just hippies, unemployed bums and criminals. There are leftists, marxists, socialists, communists and radicals among them.

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    I wonder if one of the cops would lend me a club. I would know how to use it!

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY]how many of these protests have you attended??[/QUOTE]


    Many over the years....

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    [QUOTE=Spirit of Weeb]Me too. Their not just hippies, unemployed bums and criminals. There are leftists, marxists, socialists, communists and radicals among them.[/QUOTE]

    Sorry man, that is an incorrect statement from someone who has never stood up against something...

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    [QUOTE=CanadaSteve]Many over the years....[/QUOTE]


    and you can say, based on your experiences, that the media just shows the bad side???

    I've counter-protested many including the lunatic leftists at the RNC convention who, in a weeks time, set a huge fire in the middle of 7th Avenue, destroyed property and, oh yeh- beat a member of the NYPD unconscious....

    There have been images posted on this forum in the past from these "peace protests"...the media doesn't cover 1/8 of the insidious behavior there...

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    [QUOTE=CanadaSteve]Sorry man, that is an incorrect statement from someone who has never stood up against something...[/QUOTE]

    How about reading the small print on the signs the kooks proudly display for a change-these weirdos are sponsored by (nominally):

    International ANSWER, Spartacist, UFPC, American Friends Service Committee, Black Radical Congress, Center for Constitutional Rights, CODEPINK, Friends of the Earth, Global Exchange, Gold Star Families for Peace, Green Party of the United States, Greenpeace, Iraq Veterans Against the War, Military Families Speak Out, National Organization for Women, National Youth and Student Peace Coalition, Not in Our Name, PAX Christi USA, RainbowPUSH Coalition, September 11th Families for Peaceful Tomorrows, TrueMajority, US Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation, US Labor Against the War, Veterans for Peace, Vietnam Veterans Against the War, and War Resisters League.

    Just to name a few of the flakes, fruits and nuts in this stale granola.
    Not a pro-American patriot in the whole rotten bunch.

    Uh, and they most certainly are fringe. Professional protestors, many pining for the days of Vietnam when campuses and public squares were actually
    filled with protestors
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    [QUOTE=Spirit of Weeb]Me too. Their not just hippies, unemployed bums and criminals. There are leftists, marxists, socialists, communists and radicals among them.[/QUOTE]
    Having joined a few counterprotests during my time in DC, I would also like to point out that many attending these "protests" do not have any understanding of the issues. They are there for the event, and to cause trouble. Many have an anarchist bent and are there for the mayhem that may ensue. I am not talking about all involved, but there is a large segment of such individuals at these events.

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    [QUOTE=HDCentStOhio]Having joined a few counterprotests during my time in DC, I would also like to point out that many attending these "protests" do not have any understanding of the issues. They are there for the event, and to cause trouble. Many have an anarchist bent and are there for the mayhem that may ensue. I am not talking about all involved, but there is a large segment of such individuals at these events.[/QUOTE]


    That's why the cops were smart to lay off. The protesters were itching to have TV cameras capturing Capitol police beating anti-war protesters with clubs.

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    There is a bloody brilliant bit on Penn & Teller's "Bull****" show on Showtime, covered (if I recall) Environmental and World Bank Protesters. They asked some of the head protesters to tell them what they were protesting, and their answers were laughably empty of any actual substance.

    Funny funny stuff.

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