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    Republican candidate off the mark on cost of milk, bread

    [QUOTE]4/10/2007, 8:51 p.m. CDT
    By PHILLIP RAWLS
    The Associated Press

    MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) Republican presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani hasn't done a lot of grocery shopping lately at least based on his answers about the cost of milk and bread.

    Campaigning in Alabama on Tuesday, the former New York City mayor portrayed himself as a fiscal conservative and an aggressive fighter of terrorism who has a lot in common with the Deep South state.

    But when asked about more mundane matters like the price of some basic staples Giuliani had trouble with a reporter's question.

    "A gallon of milk is probably about a $1.50, a loaf of bread about a $1.25, $1.30," he said.

    A check of the Web site for D'Agostino supermarket on Manhattan's Upper East Side showed a gallon of milk priced at $4.19 and a loaf of white bread at $2.99 to $3.39. In Montgomery, Ala., a gallon of milk goes for about $3.39 and bread is about $2.

    Later Tuesday, the Giuliani campaign pointed out that the national average for bread is $1.17 per pound, as listed by the Bureau of Labor Statistics. The government agency also lists milk as costing, on average, $1.60 per half-gallon.

    Giuliani was closer to the mark on the price of a gallon of gasoline.

    "Gas, I think, is $2.89," he said.

    His difficulty with grocery items recalled another Republican's supermarket run-in. In 1992, President George H.W. Bush expressed amazement at a high-tech supermarket scanner, prompting critics to argue that he was out of touch with average Americans. The White House cried foul, pointing out that during a grocers' convention Bush had been impressed by a special scanner that could read torn labels.

    Giuliani attended $1,000-per-person campaign fundraisers in Mobile and Montgomery before addressing a joint session of the Alabama Legislature that drew an overflow crowd.

    Recalling that he worked in the Justice Department in President Reagan's administration, Giuliani said that like Reagan, he will not change course with the political winds.

    "I'll set a course and stick with it. I'll be on offense on terrorism. I'll be a fiscal conservative. I'll lower taxes. I'll seek private market solutions to most problems," he told the Legislature.

    The former mayor said he talked to radio host Don Imus, who has been suspended for two weeks for derogatory remarks about the Rutgers women's basketball team. Giuliani said he considers Imus' apology sincere.

    "I would appear on his program again, sure. I take him at his word," Giuliani said.

    Asked about the flying of the Confederate flag in some Southern states, Giuliani said, "That's a good thing to be left on a state-by-state basis."

    Giuliani said he did not recall seeing a Confederate flag during his day in Alabama even though there was a display of four Confederate flags flying beside the Capitol.

    The former mayor never mentioned his position on gay rights and abortion that separate him from traditional Republican voters in the state, but he said he would always be straight with voters.

    "I will tell you what I believe. If you agree with it, fine. If you don't agree with it, you have a right not to agree with it. If you don't agree, you have a right not to vote for me," he said.

    Giuliani said voters who disagree with him on some issues should consider whether they agree with him on the most important issues.

    "On terrorism, you are not going to find anyone who is stronger and understands it better. On fiscal matters, you are not going to find anyone who is more conservative than I am. And on governing, you are not going to find anyone I say this humbly but I think accurately with more success in having to govern one of the most difficult places in the United States and turning it around," Giuliani said.

    State Republican Party Vice Chairman Jerry Lathan, a Mobile businessman who hosted a fundraising reception for Giuliani, said the candidate's law-and-order record as a federal prosecutor in New York and his promise to appoint federal judges who are strict conservatives will appeal to voters in Alabama.

    "Rudy is going to govern conservatively enough to make most Southern conservatives and Christian conservatives, which I am both, very happy," Lathan said.

    Alabama is one of a growing number of states with its presidential primary on Feb. 5, 2008.

    David Lanoue, chairman of the political science department at the University of Alabama, said Giuliani has been "the largest single surprise of the election session" because he has done so well despite "the liberal paper trail he has."

    "Coming to states like Alabama and getting a good reception here is important," Lanoue said.

    Carl Grafton, a political scientist at Auburn University Montgomery, said there is no major GOP candidate who satisfies the requirements of conservative Republicans in Alabama. Because of that, they will have to look at other candidates, and Giuliani's fiscal and defense policies should cause him to do "extremely well" in the state.

    Republican presidential nominees have carried Alabama since 1980. But state Democratic Party Chairman Joe Turnham said that if Giuliani wins the Republican nomination, his social views and personal life might change Alabama's history as a red state.

    "Some of the Democrats are countering with their messages of faith, family and values," Turnham said.[/QUOTE]

    [url]http://www.al.com/newsflash/regional/index.ssf?/base/business-2/1176257384240660.xml&storylist=alabamanews[/url]

    Where is his head at?

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    Keep the threads coming Dawwg, you RULE!

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    I guess Giuliani shouldn't make any appearances on the Price is Right anytime soon. Bob Barker would be very disappointed.
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    [QUOTE=Jetdawgg][url]http://www.al.com/newsflash/regional/index.ssf?/base/business-2/1176257384240660.xml&storylist=alabamanews[/url]

    Where is his head at?[/QUOTE]

    I couldn't tell you the price of Milk or Bread either. I don't do the grocery shopping in my home. Am I "out of touch" with "average" Americans too?

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    [QUOTE=Warfish]I couldn't tell you the price of Milk or Bread either. I don't do the grocery shopping in my home. Am I "out of touch" with "average" Americans too?[/QUOTE]

    Are you running for president? Milk and bread did not just rise in the past few months either. He is out of touch with the mainstream for now.

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    [QUOTE=Jetdawgg]Are you running for president? Milk and bread did not just rise in the past few months either. He is out of touch with the mainstream for now.[/QUOTE]

    This doesn't answer the question you have been asked. Your specific point is that he is "out of touch with the average American" specificly because he is unaware of the price of Bread and Milk.

    I too am unaware (or was till I read this).

    So yes or no, am I "out of touch with the average American" based on this specific lack of knowledge?

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    $4.19 for a gallon of milk in Manhattan? Damn...it's $1.99 in Syracuse. Depending on the bread, you can get a loaf for about what Giuliani said.

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    [QUOTE=OrangeJet]$4.19 for a gallon of milk in Manhattan? Damn...it's $1.99 in Syracuse. Depending on the bread, you can get a loaf for about what Giuliani said.[/QUOTE]

    therein lies the stupidity of this article and the way the liberal media spins the answer and leftist lunatics like dumbdawg run with it...

    he was asked the question in Montgomery, Alabama....the liberal media then quotes prices in mid-town Manhattan....as though that is indicative of the whole nation...

    you gave the price for Syracuse...I'm sure it is less than that in Montgomery, Alabama....

    I was there (Alabama) in January when gas prices in Westchester were running about $2.49 a gallon which means it was closer to $2.79 a gallon in NYC...the price in Alabama???

    anywhere between $1.93-$1.98 per gallon....

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    [QUOTE=Warfish]This doesn't answer the question you have been asked. Your specific point is that he is "out of touch with the average American" specificly because he is unaware of the price of Bread and Milk.

    I too am unaware (or was till I read this).

    So yes or no, am I "out of touch with the average American" based on this specific lack of knowledge?[/QUOTE]

    Again, you are not running for office and you are not an elected/former elected official. It matters as GMan is/was.

    The Ala Democrats popped him here. How can you miss that part of the story vice attempting to become the story?

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY]therein lies the stupidity of this article and the way the liberal media spins the answer and leftist lunatics like dumbdawg run with it...

    he was asked the question in Montgomery, Alabama....the liberal media then quotes prices in mid-town Manhattan....as though that is indicative of the whole nation...

    you gave the price for Syracuse...I'm sure it is less than that in Montgomery, Alabama....

    I was there (Alabama) in January when gas prices in Westchester were running about $2.49 a gallon which means it was closer to $2.79 a gallon in NYC...the price in Alabama???

    anywhere between $1.93-$1.98 per gallon....[/QUOTE]

    Rudy missed it completely. He (his people) could have checked the website.

    He got caught by the Ala Democrats. People will percieve that he is out of touch with the general public. Perception is reality.

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    [QUOTE=Jetdawgg]Rudy missed it completely. He (his people) could have checked the website.

    He got caught by the Ala Democrats. People will percieve that he is out of touch with the general public. Perception is reality.[/QUOTE]

    So, you're comfortable with articles that lie? Hey, it portrays a Republican in a bad light, so the tactics don't matter, as long as they get the intended perception they want, right?

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    You are simply wrong Dog. This "proves" nothing whatsoever, and will be forgotton in seconds by just about everyone including us in here.

    The Alabama Democrats did not "catch" anyone, on anything. This is silly juvenille political spin, pure and simple, and you took the bait like a good little fish.

    Have a thought of your own....at least once in your life. You might find you like it.

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    [QUOTE=OrangeJet]So, you're comfortable with articles that lie? Hey, it portrays a Republican in a bad light, so the tactics don't matter, as long as they get the intended perception they want, right?[/QUOTE]

    never mind the fact that well all know midtown Manhattan prices are mainstream and not the slightest bit inflated....aren't they? :rolleyes:

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    [QUOTE=parafly]I guess Giuliani shouldn't make any appearances on the Price is Right anytime soon. Bob Barker would be very disappointed.[/QUOTE]


    lol, and that's about all there is to it

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    [QUOTE=OrangeJet]So, you're comfortable with articles that lie? Hey, it portrays a Republican in a bad light, so the tactics don't matter, as long as they get the intended perception they want, right?[/QUOTE]

    Hey, I don't make the rules. When you are playing that game, you have to play to win. Rudy should know that.He has won twice before in NYC.

    Clinton is kicking his @ss hard. He had better wake up. I never said that I was comfortable with articles that lie. Where did you see that?

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    [QUOTE=Warfish]You are simply wrong Dog. This "proves" nothing whatsoever, and will be forgotton in seconds by just about everyone including us in here.

    The Alabama Democrats did not "catch" anyone, on anything. This is silly juvenille political spin, pure and simple, and you took the bait like a good little fish.

    Have a thought of your own....at least once in your life. You might find you like it.[/QUOTE]

    You make less sense everyday. If you think that the democrats will use this, as they already are you are only kidding yourself.

    This kind of stuff got GB1 against Clinton the first time. Hillary punched him here with a shot.

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY]never mind the fact that well all know midtown Manhattan prices are mainstream and not the slightest bit inflated....aren't they? :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

    Sh1t some milk is $4.00+ in ATL. Good thing the supermarkets are open 24 hours in some areas down here

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    [QUOTE=Jetdawgg]Hey, I don't make the rules. When you are playing that game, you have to play to win. Rudy should know that.He has won twice before in NYC.

    Clinton is kicking his @ss hard. He had better wake up. I never said that I was comfortable with articles that lie. Where did you see that?[/QUOTE]


    sure she kicking his ass hard.....your ignorance knows no limits...

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    [QUOTE=Jetdawgg]You make less sense everyday. If you think that the democrats will use this, as they already are you are only kidding yourself.

    This kind of stuff got GB1 against Clinton the first time. Hillary punched him here with a shot.[/QUOTE]

    Aye, right. And you dodge more questions a day than anyone on this forum. As you did, twice, above. And if I press you, all you'll offer up is more of your standard "I'm a Marine, I'll kick your ass" or "You can never Understand, you don't define me" foolishness.

    You are nothing more than an empty straw man mouthpiece for the left sites you visit. You contibute nothing insightful or original yourself.

    For the record, I don't think (and didn't before this stunning and clearly career ending gaffe) that Mr. Gulliani has a snowballs chance in hell of winning the nomination, much less the Presidency. But I am betting that if he does lose, this isn't going to be the issue that causes that loss.

    I have said all along I believe, with good reason, that the next President of the USA will be a Democrat, and nothing I have seen so far has changed that viewpoint.

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    [QUOTE=Jetdawgg]Hey, I don't make the rules. When you are playing that game, you have to play to win. Rudy should know that.He has won twice before in NYC.

    Clinton is kicking his @ss hard. He had better wake up. I never said that I was comfortable with articles that lie. Where did you see that?[/QUOTE]

    So if Hillary doesnt know the price of shaving gel, she's out of touch with the mainstream. O boy.

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