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    JI gives Rudy the kiss of death

    did everyone catch the Rudy for Prez ad on the front page?

    if history is any guide he will win and be the worst president ever

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    [QUOTE=bitonti]did everyone catch the Rudy for Prez ad on the front page?

    if history is any guide he will win and be the worst president ever[/QUOTE]

    :yes: :yes:

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    JI was around in the days of Jimmy Carter? Damn. I thought Al Gore invented the Internet. :rolleyes:

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    [QUOTE=Jets Babe]what does everyone have against rudy?[/QUOTE]
    1. Hes a jerk.
    2. He exploited 3000 dead Nyers in one of the worse tragedies for political gain.
    3. Hes yet to answer about his incompetence re 9/11.
    4. Hes a media hog. He cant stand to give others credit who deserve it and yet he takes credit when he himself doesnt deserve it.
    5. He (like Bush) favors loyalty over competence (see Kerik, Bratton)
    6. He said the first thing I thought when the towers crashed down, was "thank god Bush is president" - what a crock of $h!t
    7. He supports the Iraq War and sending more troops to be killed in this futile war

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    Didn't Janet Reno beat his ass on SNL? On the "Janet Reno Dance Party"?

    I am pretty sure he said "JANET RENO IS THE BOSS OF ME; JANET RENO IS THE BOSS OF ME!" while she pummeled his two-timin' ass.

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    [QUOTE=Jets Babe]what does everyone have against rudy?[/QUOTE]


    As a NYC resident when Rudy was Mayor, I love the guy. I do have serious doubts about he's temperament to be President, he is a bit of a hot head. Over all in this field I probably would vote for him, but I also might vote for Hillary, Obama or Fred Thomson if he runs?

    The nice thing about this election other than the fact that it's already tainted by to much money I think by the finish line the candidates will be fully vetted by the public.

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    Just to play Devil's Advocate (since I am not a Rudy Supporter of any kind)....

    [QUOTE=kennyo7]1. Hes a jerk.[/QUOTE]

    You know him personally? Or are you trusting the Media? Is Hillary NOT a "jerk" personally?

    [QUOTE=kennyo7]2. He exploited 3000 dead Nyers in one of the worse tragedies for political gain.[/QUOTE]

    Exploited? How, specificly? Sounds like you're playing Politics here, and that if a Dem was in Rudy's place, you'd never call it "exploiting", rather you'd call him a Hero.

    [QUOTE=kennyo7]3. Hes yet to answer about his incompetence re 9/11.[/QUOTE]

    The General opinion I've read and heard is that he was not "incompetant" by any means on 9/11. What makes you think otherwise?

    [QUOTE=kennyo7]4. Hes a media hog. He cant stand to give others credit who deserve it and yet he takes credit when he himself doesnt deserve it.[/QUOTE]

    Is the a Politician who isn't? Is there a Politician who doesn't?

    [QUOTE=kennyo7]5. He (like Bush) favors loyalty over competence (see Kerik, Bratton)[/QUOTE]

    What makes you a Judge of Competance? Do you know the men, their backgrounds, expericne and personallities personally, or again, are you trusting that the MEdia said it so it must be true? Do you know why they got their jobs? Or are you just trusting the media?

    And again, is there ANY politician who doesn't give some jobs to political lackies these days?

    [QUOTE=kennyo7]6. He said the first thing I thought when the towers crashed down, was "thank god Bush is president" - what a crock of $h!t[/QUOTE]

    What makes you think he is a liar? Were you in his mind at the time? What, is he not entitled to his opinion on the topic, or are you just angry because he didn;t think "Wish Gore was President" instead?

    [QUOTE=kennyo7]7. He supports the Iraq War and sending more troops to be killed in this futile war[/QUOTE]

    So do alot of people. But this is at least a legitimate criticism, in my view. Most of the rest of your issues are heresay, political bias, trust in the media, and outright hate of anything Republican more than actual valid criticism.

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    [QUOTE=Warfish]Just to play Devil's Advocate (since I am not a Rudy Supporter of any kind)....



    You know him personally? Or are you trusting the Media? Is Hillary NOT a "jerk" personally?

    [B]I dont know him, but I have friends who worked with him on the city council who tell me you cannot work with him. He is incredibly arrogant and stubborn and wont listen to anyone who disagrees with him, even if they are more knowledgeable on the issue at hand. We have dealt with this kind of pathological behavior for 7 years....no more.[/B]


    Exploited? How, specificly? Sounds like you're playing Politics here, and that if a Dem was in Rudy's place, you'd never call it "exploiting", rather you'd call him a Hero.

    [B]See below.[/B]



    The General opinion I've read and heard is that he was not "incompetant" by any means on 9/11. What makes you think otherwise?

    [B]He made alot of questionable decisions during this time that were purely incompetent. For exanple:

    1. His decision to locate the Office of Emergency Management headquarters in WTC 7 instead of in Brookly as was recommended to him by a panel b/c of the 1st WTC terrorist attack.
    2. The lack of inter-operable radios between the NYPD and FDNY (in light of earier terror attack on WTC, this was inexcusable)
    3. Setting up seperate commands for the NYPD and FDNY made absolutely no sense since both were involved in search and rescue and in times of emergency both are to function as one unit. This was a violation of prior protocol and lead to disorganization.
    4. Marching with his entire 25-member inner circle towards the towers and in to harms way , while balsy was incredibly stupid and showed a lack of strategic thinking. Had these men been killed (no one knew at the time) the city would have been left with a huge leadership deficit
    5. The inordinate number and continual movement of command posts led to disorganization and the feeling by many of an inability to get any structured set of orders. Only 45 percent of 557 surveyed cops said they "received clear instructions regarding my role on 9-11," with 34 percent saying they didn't and the rest undecided.
    6 He downplayed the health effects of the air in the Financial District and lower Manhattan despite being warned by the EPA and DEP that they hadent made any conclusions. He opened up downtown w/o knowing the facts yet
    7. He said in the first month after the attacks, "The air quality is safe and acceptable." However, in the weeks after the attacks, there were hundreds of asbestos hot spots of debris dust that remained on buildings.
    8. He did not assign the city's health agencies, such as the Department of Environmental Protection to supervise or set guidelines for the testing and cleanup of private buildings. But instead left this responsibility to building owners.[/B]


    Is the a Politician who isn't? Is there a Politician who doesn't?
    [B]Cant argue with that[/B]



    What makes you a Judge of Competance? Do you know the men, their backgrounds, expericne and personallities personally, or again, are you trusting that the MEdia said it so it must be true? Do you know why they got their jobs? Or are you just trusting the media?

    [B]Ok, so why isnt Kerik the director of Homeland Security? Would you say Kerik or Ray Kelly were more effective commisioners than Bratton? You always seem to give guys like Bush and Guiliani the benefit of the doubt by "not-trusting" the media. Just cause Guilani/Bush say they are the most competent guys it must be true! Why?[/B]

    And again, is there ANY politician who doesn't give some jobs to political lackies these days?
    [B]Agreed, But does thatmake it ok?[/B]



    What makes you think he is a liar? Were you in his mind at the time? What, is he not entitled to his opinion on the topic, or are you just angry because he didn;t think "Wish Gore was President" instead?

    [B]Well , if he wasnt a liar, he is truly the dumbest man alive if really meant it[/B]

    So do alot of people. But this is at least a legitimate criticism, in my view. Most of the rest of your issues are heresay, political bias, trust in the media, and outright hate of anything Republican more than actual valid criticism.[/QUOTE]
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    [QUOTE=Jets Babe]i would love to hear him respond to that...thanks warfish ;)[/QUOTE]
    Hows that Babe ;)

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    [QUOTE=Jets Babe]its stupid, thats what it is. first of all, "i have a friend who says" is not an appropriate answer. you lost ALL of your credibility right there. ""oh, my friends work with him!" whatever.

    also, how does the person who kept the city together in a time of crisis show mental incompetence with the whole 9-11 issue??? sure, he might have made little mistakes here and there, but he's only human. i had 2 uncles in the world trade center, one of which who died, and my whole family loves rudy. most of the tri-state area loves rudy. why? because he kept this country together, thats why. there could not have been a better leader than rudy during that time.[/QUOTE]

    Awww! Aint that sweet.
    Lets ignore the facts and love rudy simply cause your family does!
    Guess what, I lost a cousin and college buddy in 9/11 and i friggin hate Rudy's guts.

    Kept the city together in a time of crisis??? What a crock of $hit! Rudy didnt do anything Bozo the Clown couldnt have done. The reason the city was kept together had nothing to do with Rudy and everything to do with the strong willed/minded, moral fabric NYers come from.

    Sorry , but you lost all credibility by refusing to answer any of the 8 specific reasons i mentioned showing rudy's incompetence

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    [QUOTE=Jets Babe]tell me, how did rudy have nothing to do with it?? does the term, "america's mayor" mean anything to you?
    also, aside from 9-11, giuliani turned new york city which was "ungovernable", to the greatest, safest, major cities on the planet.[/QUOTE]

    Did you not read the 8 incompetent blunders Rudy made during 9/11 that I posted?
    "Americas Mayor" is a stupid title given to Rudy by people who bought into the hoax/myth he created. It is used by people who refuse to hold him accountable for the mistakes during 9/11.

    Can you tell me , what specifically did Rudy do during 9/11 that no one else in that position would have done?

    As for NY being the greatest city on earth...it is and was long before Rudy was mayor

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    [QUOTE=kennyo7]Awww! Aint that sweet.
    Lets ignore the facts and love rudy simply cause your family does!
    Guess what, I lost a cousin and college buddy in 9/11 and i friggin hate Rudy's guts.

    Sorry , but you lost all credibility by refusing to answer any of the 8 specific reasons i mentioned showing rudy's incompetence[/QUOTE]

    Funny...I lost a good friend as well on 9-11....

    [url]http://www.9-11memorialanthonyks.org/josephspor.htm[/url]

    I guess my contempt for the clintonista's was out of place being Rudy could've ordered the rockets off the spy planes to kill bin laden in '98...

    [QUOTE]Kept the city together in a time of crisis??? What a crock of $hit! Rudy didnt do anything Bozo the Clown couldnt have done. The reason the city was kept together had nothing to do with Rudy and everything to do with the strong willed/minded, moral fabric NYers come from.[/QUOTE]


    speaking of "moral fabric"... you are the same person who claims to feeling "dirty" walking down 42nd Street after Guiliani got rid of the dope dealers, pimps, hookers and porn theater's...so it puts things into perspective....

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY]Funny...I lost a good friend as well on 9-11....

    [url]http://www.9-11memorialanthonyks.org/josephspor.htm[/url]

    I guess my contempt for the clintonista's was out of place being Rudy could've ordered the rockets off the spy planes to kill bin laden in '98...




    speaking of "moral fabric"... you are the same person who claims to feeling "dirty" walking down 42nd Street after Guiliani got rid of the dope dealers, pimps, hookers and porn theater's...so it puts things into perspective....[/QUOTE]
    Once again changing the topic.
    Maybe you can find justification in the 8 blunder i posted that Rudy made during 9/11

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    [QUOTE=kennyo7]Once again changing the topic.
    Maybe you can find justification in the 8 blunder i posted that Rudy made during 9/11[/QUOTE]

    not changing a damn thing...just putting things into perspective....

    as with most of your posts, your 8 blunder post is pathetic leftist garbage considering the attack and the timeline from start to finish....

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY]not changing a damn thing...just putting things into perspective....

    [B]as with most of your posts, your 8 blunder post is pathetic leftist garbage considering the attack and the timeline from start to finish[/B]....[/QUOTE]

    As with most of your pathetic arguments. When you are wrong you have nothingto say so you start w the "this is leftist garbage" BS. Of course that is much easier to do than arue the points.

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    [QUOTE=kennyo7]As with most of your pathetic arguments. When you are wrong you have nothingto say so you start w the "this is leftist garbage" BS. Of course that is much easier to do than arue the points.[/QUOTE]

    because you cherry pick eight problems on the most terrible day in the history of America to frame Guiliani incompetent means I'm wrong???

    it just shows how pathetic your arguement is......

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    do you really think that if Clinton kills OBL in 98 that 9-11 doesn't happen? if not that day, then at some point?

    do you blame Reagan for granting immegration amnesty to the architects and criminals involved with 1993 WTC bombing? no you love reagan - well what's the difference? both prez were neglectful... reagan funded saddam and OBL early first term, what do you have to say about that?

    global terrorism isn't about one man and it's not about killing terrorist leaders.

    how surprising that Bushies don't understand that... the entire administration misunderstands the problem of terrorism and how to deal with it. :zzz:

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    same sh!t, different day from this lunatic.....

    [QUOTE=bitonti]CBNY and JetsBabe

    do you really think that if Clinton kills OBL in 98 that 9-11 doesn't happen? if not that day, then at some point?

    do you blame Reagan for granting immegration amnesty to the architects and criminals involved with 1993 WTC bombing? no you love reagan - well what's the difference? both prez were neglectful... reagan funded saddam and OBL early first term, what do you have to say about that?

    global terrorism isn't about one man and it's not about killing terrorist leaders.

    how surprising that Bushies don't understand that... the entire administration misunderstands the problem of terrorism and how to deal with it. [/QUOTE]


    based on your thinking (a term I use loosely) I guess we should pin the rise of communism and the tens of millions it killed on FDR and Truman....
    Last edited by Come Back to NY; 04-18-2007 at 07:57 PM.

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY]because you cherry pick eight problems on the most terrible day in the history of America to frame Guiliani incompetent means I'm wrong???

    it just shows how pathetic your arguement is......[/QUOTE]

    The only thing pathetic is your response.
    Cherrypicking 8 problems??? Are you kidding. These are 8 MAJOR bonehead moves that Rudy has failed to answer or be held accountable for. Instead he goes around priding himself as "America's Mayor" and for his so called (ha ha)leadership during 9/11. These 8 points bring serious doubt to his leadership durimng 9/11 and show his incompetence. The only response you have to this is surprisingly......nothing

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    [QUOTE=kennyo7]The only thing pathetic is your response.
    Cherrypicking 8 problems??? Are you kidding. These are 8 MAJOR bonehead moves that Rudy has failed to answer or be held accountable for. Instead he goes around priding himself as "America's Mayor" and for his so called (ha ha)leadership during 9/11. These 8 points bring serious doubt to his leadership durimng 9/11 and show his incompetence. The only response you have to this is surprisingly......nothing[/QUOTE]


    nothing is what you offer.....major bonehead moves??

    in the course of the events that went down your lame attempt to reach for mistakes are exactly that...

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