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    The case against Rudy (video)

    [url]http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/04/25/olbermanns-special-comment-on-giulianis-fearmongering-how-dare-you-sir/[/url]

    Keith delivered a scathing Special Comment tonight about the rank partisan fearmongering speech Rudy Giuliani gave before a New Hampshire Republican meeting yesterday (CSPAN stream).

    "Claim a difference between the parties on the voters' chances of survival — and you do Osama Bin Laden's work for him.

    And we — Democrats and Republicans alike, and every variation in between — We — Americans! — are sick to death, of you and the other terror-mongers, trying to frighten us into submission, into the surrender of our rights and our reason, into this betrayal of that for which this country has always stood."

    (transcript below the fold…)


    Finally tonight, a Special Comment about Rudolf Giuliani's remarks at a Lincoln Day Dinner in New Hampshire last night.

    Since some indeterminable hour between the final dousing of the pyre at The World Trade Center, and the breaking of what Senator Obama has aptly termed "9/11 Fever," it has been profoundly and disturbingly evident that we are at the center of one of history's great ironies.

    Only in this America of the early 21st Century could it be true, that the man who was president during the worst attack on our nation, and the man who was the mayor of the city in which that attack principally unfolded, would not only be absolved of any and all blame for the unreadiness of their own governments, but, more over, would thereafter be branded heroes of those attacks.

    And now, that Mayor - whose most profound municipal act in the wake of that nightmare was to suggest the postponement of the election to select his own successor - has gone even a step beyond these M.C. Escher constructions of history.

    "If any Republican is elected president - and I think obviously I would be best at this - we will remain on offense and will anticipate what (the terrorists) will do and try to stop them before they do it. "

    Insisting that the election of any Democrat would mean the country was "back… on defense," Mr. Giuliani continued:
    "But the question is how long will it take and how many casualties will we have. If we are on defense, we will have more losses and it will go on longer."

    He said this with no sense of irony, no sense of any personal shortcomings, no sense whatsoever.

    And if you somehow missed what he was really saying, somehow didn't hear the none-too-subtle subtext of 'vote Democratic and die,' Mr. Giuliani then stripped away any barrier of courtesy, telling Roger Simon of Politico.Com, quote…

    "America will be safer with a Republican president."

    At least that Republican President under which we have not been safer… has, even at his worst, maintained some microscopic distance between himself, and a campaign platform that blithely threatened the American people with "casualties" if they, next year, elect a Democratic president - or, inferring from Mr. Giuliani's flights of grandeur in New Hampshire - even if they elect a different Republican.

    How dare you, sir?


    "How many casualties will we have?" - this is the language of Bin Laden.

    Yours, Mr. Giuliani, is the same chilling nonchalance of the madman, of the proselytizer who has moved even from some crude framework of politics and society, into a virtual Roman Colosseum of carnage, and a conceit over your own ability — and worthiness — to decide, who lives and who dies.

    Rather than a reasoned discussion — rather than a political campaign advocating your own causes and extolling your own qualifications — you have bypassed all the intermediate steps, and moved directly to trying to terrorize the electorate into viewing a vote for a Democrat, not as a reasonable alternative and an inalienable right… but as an act of suicide.

    This is not the mere politicizing of Iraq, nor the vague mumbled epithets about Democratic 'softness' from a delusional Vice President.

    This is casualties on a partisan basis — of the naked assertion that Mr. Giuliani's party knows all and will save those who have voted for it — and to hell with everybody else.

    And that he, with no foreign policy experience whatsoever, is somehow the Messiah-of-the-moment.

    Even to grant that that formula - whether posed by Republican or Democrat - is somehow not the most base, the most indefensible, the most Un-American electioneering in our history - even if it is somehow acceptable to assign "casualties" to one party and 'safety' to the other - even if we have become so profane in our thinking that it is part of our political vocabulary to view counter-terror as one party's property and the other's liability… on what imaginary track record does Mr. Giuliani base his boast?

    Which party held the presidency on September 11th, 2001, Mr. Giuliani?

    Which party held the mayoralty of New York on that date, Mr. Giuliani?

    Which party assured New Yorkers that the air was safe, and the remains of the dead, recovered - and not being used to fill pot-holes, Mr. Giuliani?

    Which party wanted what the terrorists wanted - the postponement elections - and to whose personal advantage would that have redounded, Mr. Giuliani?

    Which mayor of New York was elected eight months after the first attack on the World Trade Center, yet did not emphasize counter-terror in the same city for the next eight years, Mr. Giuliani?

    Which party had proposed to turn over the Department of Homeland Security to Bernard Kerik, Mr. Giuliani?

    Who wanted to ignore and hide Kerik's Organized Crime allegations, Mr. Giuliani?

    Who personally argued to the White House that Kerik need not be vetted, Mr. Giuliani?

    Which party rode roughshod over Americans' rights while braying that it was actually protecting them, Mr. Giuliani?

    Which party took this country into the most utterly backwards, utterly counter-productive, utterly ruinous war in our history, Mr. Giuliani?

    Which party has been in office as more Americans were killed in the pointless fields of Iraq, than were killed in the consuming nightmare of 9/11, Mr. Giuliani?

    Drop this argument, sir. You will lose it.

    "The Democrats do not understand the full nature and scope of the terrorist war against us," Mr. Giuliani continued to the Rockingham County Lincoln Day Dinner last night. "Never, ever again will this country be on defense waiting for (terrorists) to attack us, if I have anything to say about it. And make no mistake, the Democrats want to put us back on defense."

    There is no room for this.

    This is terrorism itself, dressed up as counter-terrorism.

    It is not warning, but bullying - substituted for the political discourse now absolutely essential to this country's survival and the freedom of its people.

    No Democrat has said words like these. None has ever campaigned on the Republicans' flat-footedness of September 11th, 2001. None has the requisite, irresponsible, all-consuming, ambition. None is willing to say "I Accuse," rather than recognize that, to some degree, all of us share responsibility for our collective stupor.

    And if it is somehow insufficient, that this is morally, spiritually, and politically wrong, to screech as Mr. Giuliani has screeched… there is also this: that gaping hole in Mr. Giuliani's argument of 'Republicans equal life; Democrats equal death.'

    Not only have the Republicans not lived up to their babbling on this subject, but last fall the electorate called them on it.

    As doubtless they would call you on it, Mr. Giuliani.

    Repeat, go beyond Mr. Bush's rhetorical calamities of 2006.

    Call attention to the casualties on your watch, and your long, waking slumber in the years between the two attacks on the World Trade Center.

    Become the candidate who runs on the Vote-For-Me-Or-Die platform.

    Do a Joe McCarthy, a Lyndon Johnson, a Robespierre.

    Only, if you choose so to do, do not come back surprised nor remorseful if the voters remind you that "terror" is not just a matter of "casualties." It is, just as surely, a matter of the promulgation of fear.

    Claim a difference between the parties on the voters' chances of survival — and you do Osama Bin Laden's work for him.

    And we — Democrats and Republicans alike, and every variation in between — We — Americans! — are sick to death, of you and the other terror-mongers, trying to frighten us into submission, into the surrender of our rights and our reason, into this betrayal of that for which this country has always stood.

    Franklin Roosevelt's words ring true again tonight.

    And, clarified and amplified, they are just as current now, as they were when first he spoke them, 74 years ago.

    "We have nothing to fear but fear itself" — and those who would exploit our fear, for power, and for their own personal, selfish, cynical, gain.

    Good night, and good luck.

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    America and the American way of life will be far safer with a Republican president, no matter how many thousands of bloviating words Olbermann blows out his ass.

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    [QUOTE=shakin318]America and the American way of life will be far safer with a Republican president, no matter how many thousands of bloviating words Olbermann blows out his ass.[/QUOTE]

    That is not what the American people say now

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    [QUOTE=Jetdawgg]That is not what the American people say now[/QUOTE]
    Any reason why you don't post about Keith Olbermann's ratings anymore?

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    [QUOTE=shakin318]America and the American way of life will be far safer with a Republican president, no matter how many thousands of bloviating words Olbermann blows out his ass.[/QUOTE]

    As evidenced by the debacle in Iraq :rolleyes:
    What evidence do you have that anything the republicans have done in the last 7 years has actually kept us safer

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    [QUOTE=kennyo7]As evidenced by the debacle in Iraq :rolleyes:
    What evidence do you have that anything the republicans have done in the last 7 years has actually kept us safer[/QUOTE]


    No terrorist attacks in the US lately.

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    [QUOTE=MnJetFan]No terrorist attacks in the US lately.[/QUOTE]

    And there were no terrorist attacks IN the US for 7+ years under Clinton.

    Again b/c there were no attacks in the US (but plenty against Americans abroad and on our allies in the UK and Spain) doesnt mean anything Dubya has done has kept us safer.

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    The flock is thinning and won't fall for the same BS in this election.

    [QUOTE=shakin318]America and the American way of life will be far safer with a Republican president, no matter how many thousands of bloviating words Olbermann blows out his ass.[/QUOTE]

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    Give me one good reason why I should waste my time reading another whiny diatribe from Olbermann.

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    [QUOTE=kennyo7]And there were no terrorist attacks IN the US for 7+ years under Clinton.

    Again b/c there were no attacks in the US (but plenty against Americans abroad and on our allies in the UK and Spain) doesnt mean anything Dubya has done has kept us safer.[/QUOTE]

    Clinton did nothing but suck up to the terrorists. Bush had the nuts to go after them. BTW is Bush to blame for Spain and England. Get REAL!

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    Let's get one thing straight, Bush went into Afghanistan to fight terrorists, he went into Iraq because he wanted to go there on his own beliefs.

    Balls has nothing to do with it, either way they are sending someone else's children to war not their own.


    [QUOTE=MnJetFan]Clinton did nothing but suck up to the terrorists. Bush had the nuts to go after them. BTW is Bush to blame for Spain and England. Get REAL![/QUOTE]

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    [QUOTE=MnJetFan]Clinton did nothing but suck up to the terrorists. [B]Bush had the nuts to go after them.[/B] [/QUOTE]


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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan][IMG]http://www.got-one.com/zzz/fake/vivian.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

    Vivian from the Young Ones on the stick em up kitty. I don't get the reference, but damn it I like it!

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    [QUOTE=sackdance]Any reason why you don't post about Keith Olbermann's ratings anymore?[/QUOTE]

    why don't you refute what KO's message is about?

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    [QUOTE=Jetdawgg]why don't you refute what KO's message is about?[/QUOTE]
    Because it is impossible to refute unsustantiated opinion.

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    [QUOTE=Piper]Because it is impossible to refute unsustantiated opinion.[/QUOTE]


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    [B]Last throes, I say!![/B]

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    [b]Last throes, I say!![/b][/QUOTE]

    somehow, your posts always bring "joe dirt" to mind

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    [QUOTE=flushingjet]somehow, your posts always bring "joe dirt" to mind[/QUOTE]


    ...it is impossible to refute unsustantiated opinion.

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    [QUOTE=kennyo7]And there were no terrorist attacks [B]IN[/B] the US for [B]7+ years [/B] under Clinton.

    [/QUOTE]

    Pathetically weak and deliberate attempt to parse words so as to ignore the:

    1993 WTC Bombing (6 dead)
    1996 Khobar Towers Bombing (20 dead)
    1998 twin US Embassy(which legally are US soil) Bombings in Kenya and Tanzania with combined 225 dead
    2000 USS Cole Bombing (17 dead)

    You should be ashamed of yourself.

    But as just witnessed, I'm certain you are shameless.

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    [QUOTE=Phoenixx]Pathetically weak and deliberate attempt to parse words so as to ignore the:

    1993 WTC Bombing (6 dead)
    1996 Khobar Towers Bombing (20 dead)
    1998 twin US Embassy(which legally are US soil) Bombings in Kenya and Tanzania with combined 225 dead
    2000 USS Cole Bombing (17 dead)

    You should be ashamed of yourself.

    But as just witnessed, I'm certain you are shameless.[/QUOTE]


    Anybody say Anthrax attacks?

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