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    JI's Political Forum Political Platform

    I was wondering if the our beloved political forum would be able to come to an agreed upon platform... as if we were generating the platform for a third party.

    The exercise would require everyone to think outside of the restraints of your own political allegiance and compromise on the issues.

    If anyone is interested, we would need input from both the left and the right and see how we can come to the middle a bit on the issues to agree upon a position.

    Myself or someone else could "proctor" a thread on each issue, I would suggest one at a time. After a week of debate and compromise, we could come to a vote as to our political position. By the time we get through the issues, we could generate a platform statement encompassing the spectrum.

    I dunno, I think it could be fun to see if we could all compromise well enough to accomplish this exercise.

    If you are interested in trying, respond to this thread.

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    I like this idea, but realistically I don't see it working. The spectrum of ideologies on this forum is simply too wide, and it would be difficult to come to a concensus on almost every individual topic.

    However, I am more than willing to give it a try.

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    I think it would be a lot of fun, to debate and vote through the issues like a bunch of Congressman.

    The draft forum has their fantasy drafts, it's about time we do some cool stuff.

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    Why not list all of the issues that are currently on the minds of the people throwing thier hat into the presidential ring for starters and make a schedule so that people can be prepared with sources and thoughts ahead of time to make it more interesting. Otherwise I can see it becoming a rant like most threads here do. Is there any way to proctor this to keep the childishness out?

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    A very interesting, and potentially fun, idea.

    But I think we have far too many "by-the-numbers" partisans (both right and left) for it to work. Worse, we have too many folks for whom rudeness and insult is their primary mode of debate. For such an idea to work, a Mod would have been be actively involved to curb inapprorpiate and unproductive comments/insults.

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    [QUOTE=Warfish]A very interesting, and potentially fun, idea.

    But I think we have far too many "by-the-numbers" partisans (both right and left) for it to work. Worse, we have too many folks for whom rudeness and insult is their primary mode of debate. For such an idea to work, a Mod would have been be actively involved to curb inapprorpiate and unproductive comments/insults.[/QUOTE]


    Agreed. Maybe we can convice sooth to grant you mod status for this experiment.

    I think we may be able to suprise ourselves though...

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    sounds interesting...

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    Sure why not?

    Make a list of the major political topics and we can debate them. To name a few:

    Taxes
    Social Security
    Welfare
    Jobs
    Education
    Foreign Policy

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    Well let's start with defining the current policies of BOTH the democratic and republican parties that people are starting to get tired of:

    1) Both advocate entitlement programs that constitute 70% of the federal budget, meaning the Congress doesn't even vote on 70% of the money it spends. This is the product ofthe welfare-warfare state which both parties embrace. Congress runs a deficit as a result and must print more money and inflate the currency to make up the difference, eroding the purchasing power of our dollars, benefitting Wall Street by providing endless liquidity, but hurting the majority of lower and middle class Americans.

    2) Both advocate an interventionist foreign policy, especially a "war on terror" against an undefinable enemy that will result in endless spending. The only way to truly avoid terrorism is to not provoke it, aka stop meddling in the affairs of Middle Eastern countries.

    3) Both advocate a central bank and a concurrent income tax to make interest payments to lenders, a plank of the communist manifesto which wasn't needed less than 100 years ago in this country. Congress is allowed by the Constitution to issue its own money, but it doesn't even though it has in the past, and this is why we pay an income tax today.

    4) Both advocate "big-government" policies which increase our debt and erode our civil liberties. Most of these issues such as abortion, gay rights, and the "war on drugs" should be state issues, minimizing the power and expenses of the Federal Government.
    Last edited by JetsCrazey; 05-15-2007 at 05:07 PM.

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    [QUOTE=sourceworx]Sure why not?

    Make a list of the major political topics and we can debate them. To name a few:

    Taxes
    Social Security
    Welfare
    Jobs
    Education
    Foreign Policy[/QUOTE]Homeland Defense
    IRAQ / Middle East (I know it could come under other topics, but clearly deserves its own)
    Healthcare
    Abortion
    Alternative Energy
    Environment
    Economic Policy (Domestic / Import/Export / Foreign)

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    [QUOTE=JetsCrazey]Well let's start with defining the current policies of BOTH the democratic and republican parties that people are starting to get tired of:

    1) Both advocate entitlement programs that constitute 70% of the federal budget, meaning the Congress doesn't even vote on 70% of the money it spends. This is the product ofthe welfare-warfare state which both parties embrace. Congress runs a deficit as a result and must print more money and inflate the currency to make up the difference, eroding the purchasing power of our dollars, benefitting Wall Street by providing endless liquidity, but hurting the majority of lower and middle class Americans.

    2) Both advocate an interventionist foreign policy, especially a "war on terror" against an undefinable enemy that will result in endless spending. The only way to truly avoid terrorism is to not provoke it, aka stop meddling in the affairs of Middle Eastern countries.

    3) Both advocate a central bank and a concurrent income tax to make interest payments to lenders, a plank of the communist manifesto which wasn't needed less than 100 years ago in this country. Congress is allowed by the Constitution to issue its own money, but it doesn't even though it ehas in the past, and this is why we pay an income tax today.

    4) Both advocate "big-government" policies which increase our debt and erode our civil liberties. Most of these issues such as abortion, gay rights, and the "war on drugs" should be state issues, minimizing the power and expenses of the Federal Government.[/QUOTE]

    complete and utter pap from the other Paulists
    what rocks did these folks slither out from

    we have the biggest and best economy, not pegged to the vagueries of shiny metals or dependent on protectionism,
    speaking of which the DJIA has outperformed gold and other baubles quite considerably by some magnitude over the decades.

    oh the enemy is defined alright-radical fundamental islam and all their commie sympathasizers/fellow travelers. when these "moderate" people come over
    here and blow up stuff, try to get around/alter our ways and laws id call that meddling in [u]our[/u] affairs. if they are so righteous let them stay & live their
    lives righteously in their countries and improve their lot first
    (where they can defeminize women, mutilate their genitals, rape, honor kill, chop heads, cut throats, stone, polygamize, persecute infidels to their heart's content, not to mention refuse to give blind people with seeing eye dogs taxi rides) instead of trying to change europe, america etc.

    and no, because of the full faith and credit clause in the constitution one state has to honor another's sociopathy-for some things that may suffice
    (infanticide) , but no thank you to sanctioning all perverse and self-hating
    ways (benefits/ids/licenses for illegal aliens, gay marriages)

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    All this prosperity is on borrowed money that will have to be paid by those who are graduating from high school and college today. Not to mention social security. People seem to think that these problems will reform themselves without changes in policy. All we're doing is screwing future generations with promises that we can't make. Also this inflationary policy hurts us a lot over the long term.

    As younger person I am simply watching out for myself. I suggest you do the same, if not for you then for your kids and kill the welfare-warfare state while you still can.
    Last edited by JetsCrazey; 05-15-2007 at 06:02 PM.

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    [QUOTE=JetsCrazey]All this prosperity is on borrowed money that will have to be paid by those who are graduating from high school and college today. Not to mention social security. People seem to think that these problems will reform themselves without changes in policy. All we're doing is screwing future generations with promises that we can't make. Also this inflationary policy hurts us a lot over the long term.

    As younger person I am simply watching out for myself. I suggest you do the same, if not for you then for your kids and kill the welfare-warfare state while you still can.[/QUOTE]

    this rationale, although sounding reasonable on first blush, is quite faulty.
    it concentrates on liabilities, which are difficult to measure, while ignoring this countries' vast assets

    its comparable to saying that a man with a home and land,
    that has value, but also has a mortgage is a pauper

    it also ignores other concepts like the time value of money, inheritance, and the like

    yes ss is a ponzi scheme, but I know what I paid into it
    -no one knows what I could have done with it if I wasnt coerced into
    paying it.if even a portion was privatized, at our option, we could be better off but some people dont like to see anyone ever making a profit from anything so its a third rail

    when I was a kid democratic congresses made huge, huge deficits
    for the war on poverty, great society, etc and
    no one was seemingly concerned about my future or taking from me

    democrats raised tax rates as if there was an endless need for, and supply of
    compliant suckers with the irs as the sheriff

    yet somehow we corrected, and survived....by our standard of living we're far better off than decades past,
    (too bad you missed those wacky carter disco ball years)
    with low inflation. what inflationary aspect you talking about,
    nothing is more inflationary than govt mandated colas for
    handouts outpacing the real rate of inflation

    if you are young, you are lucky in that you have some tax shelters
    in which to place some savings (401K, IRA etc) that were
    not commonly available a quarter of a century ago.
    work towards investing in these, savings, and in real estate
    and you wont have to worry about living on crumbs later

    government spending waste should be assailed, and rightly so,
    but you cant please everyone. me, i feel every dime spent
    on our military to keep it #1 is tax money better spent than any
    entitlement handed out to illegal aliens and other sociopaths and deadbeats
    yet some bleeding heart will be convinced of the opposite

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    I know it worked out when you were a kid but now there's this pesky little issue of 1)The dollar not being convertible to gold since 1973, look at the national debt graph since (even as a % of GDP) and 2)the Euro which is stronger than the dollar and is quickly becoming preferred for international transactions, making the dollar no longer the world's sole reserve currency.

    The result of this arrangement is foreign central banks diversifying their reserves dumping US bonds on the open markets, not to mention oil-exporting countries trading in euros instead of dollars, creating an excess supply of them, lowering their prices, meaning we'll have to pay higher interest rates for money, furthering inflation which the Fed is already worried about. M3, which the Fed stopped reporting, is growing at an astounding 10% a year. Hello stagflation.

    Once again, let's not screw our future generations.
    Last edited by JetsCrazey; 05-15-2007 at 07:44 PM.

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    [QUOTE=isired]Homeland Defense
    IRAQ / Middle East (I know it could come under other topics, but clearly deserves its own)
    Healthcare
    Abortion
    Alternative Energy
    Environment
    Economic Policy (Domestic / Import/Export / Foreign)[/QUOTE]


    How about Campaign Finance Reform to eliminate or at least curb corruption?

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    It sounds great to me. There are so many issues in this country of ours. Taxes, homeland defense, education. Bill of Rights.

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    [QUOTE=MnJetFan]It sounds great to me. There are so many issues in this country of ours. Taxes, homeland defense, education. Bill of Rights.[/QUOTE]


    It is a great idea, but I am a bit skeptical. We have some people here who tow the company line for both parties. Neither can do no wrong.

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    [QUOTE=Warfish]A very interesting, and potentially fun, idea.

    But I think we have far too many "by-the-numbers" partisans (both right and left) for it to work. Worse, we have too many folks for whom rudeness and insult is their primary mode of debate. For such an idea to work, a Mod would have been be actively involved to curb inapprorpiate and unproductive comments/insults.[/QUOTE]


    yep

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    [QUOTE=sourceworx]It is a great idea, but I am a bit skeptical. We have some people here who tow the company line for both parties. Neither can do no wrong.[/QUOTE]

    I try my best to vote for the best candidate available. Unfortunately the candidates from the Republicans and Democrats leave allot to be desired.

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