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    Most foreign fighters from Gulf...But the defeatocrats claim it's a civil war

    further proof how wrong the libs are and how central the iraq war is to defeat terror....

    [QUOTE][B]Report: Most foreign fighters from Gulf 2 hours, 53 minutes ago[/B]

    [B]KUWAIT CITY - Seventy percent of foreign insurgents arrested in Iraq came from Persian Gulf countries via Syria where they were provided with forged passports, an Iraqi intelligence officer said in a published report Wednesday. [/B]

    "They, according to their own confessions, gather in mosques in the said (Gulf) states to travel to Syria using their passports, taking with them phone numbers of individuals waiting for them there," Brig. Gen. Rashid Fleih, the assistant undersecretary for intelligence of Iraq's Interior Ministry, told Kuwait's Al-Qabas daily in an interview.

    Fleih did not provide more specific details about the alleged insurgents or which countries they came from. But he said once in Syria, the alleged insurgents were transported to the al-Qaim border area where they were provided with new passports after their old ones were destroyed, Fleih said in an interview from Baghdad.

    U.S. and Iraqi officials claim Syria does not do enough to prohibit people of different nationalities from crossing its 380-mile border with Iraq to join the ranks of al-Qaida and other insurgent or terrorist groups there. Damascus denies the allegations and says it is doing all it can to stop them.

    The Iraqi intelligence officer did not say where the other 30 percent of insurgents in custody came from. A large percentage of insurgents fighting in Iraq are Iraqi.

    Iraq's other neighbor Iran, is suspected of aiding Iraqi Shiite fighters with training, money and weapons. Tehran denies the accusations.

    Once in Iraq, the insurgents were provided with forged Iraqi documentation and money to buy cars which they rig with booby traps, Fleih told the newspaper.

    He also accused Baathist followers of former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein of offering the foreign insurgents information about targets.

    "In brief, there is clear intelligence cooperation between them," Fleih told the newspaper.

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    [url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070523/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_arab_insurgents[/url]


    [QUOTE][B]Iran joins Sunnis to banish US
    Correspondents in Baghdad
    May 23, 2007

    IRAN is secretly forging ties with al-Qa'ida elements and Sunni Arab militias in Iraq for a summer showdown with coalition forces intended to tip a wavering US Congress into voting for full military withdrawal, a report said yesterday.
    The Guardian quoted a senior US official in Baghdad as saying Iran was "fighting a proxy war in Iraq and it's a very dangerous course for them to be following". [/B]

    "They are already committing daily acts of war against US and British forces," the official said.

    There have been numerous reports of Iranian involvement in Iraq. Last month the US military charged publicly for the first time that Shia Iranian spies were supporting Sunni extremists fighting US-led forces in Iraq.

    Over the past two years, Washington and US commanders have accused Iranian elements of aiding Shia militias in their fight against Sunni Arabs in Iraq and US troops.

    But displaying what he said were new Iranian weapons found in Baghdad, Major General William Caldwell said US authorities were now aware of Iranian help to the Sunni extremists who lead the insurgency.

    The British newspaper quoted US officials as saying Iran had a broader strategy. "They (Iran) are behind a lot of high-profile attacks meant to undermine US will and British will, such as the rocket attacks on Basra palace and the Green Zone (in Baghdad). The attacks are directed by the Revolutionary Guard, who are connected right to the top (of Iran's Government)."

    The official told The Guardian that US commanders were bracing for a nationwide, Iranian-orchestrated northern summer offensive, linking al-Qa'ida and Sunni insurgents to Tehran's Shia militia allies. Tehran hoped to trigger upheaval in Washington and a US retreat.

    The US officials expected that al-Qa'ida and Iran would attempt to increase the propaganda and violence in the lead-up to General David Petraeus's statement in September in which he will report to Congress on President George W.Bush's controversial, six-month "surge" of 30,000 troop reinforcements.

    "Certainly it is going to pick up from their side. There is significant latent capability in Iraq, especially Iranian-sponsored capability," the US official told the newspaper.

    "They can turn it up whenever they want. You can see that from the pre-positioning that's been going on and the huge stockpiles of Iranian weapons that we've turned up in the last couple of months," the official said.

    While Iran has close links to Iraq's Shia political parties and militias, until now it had avoided collaboration with al-Qa'ida.

    US officials also said they had proof that Iran had reversed its policy in Afghanistan and was nowsupporting and supplying the Taliban.

    AP, AFP

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    [url]http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21779238-2703,00.html[/url]

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    [url]http://www.wreg.com/Global/story.asp?S=3852372[/url]

    [QUOTE]Firefighter Arrested on Attempted Arson Charge



    COLLIERVILLE, TN - Collierville Police have arrested Memphis Firefighter Igor Couch for attempted arson. Couch is charged with aggravated assault, criminal intent to commit arson, and criminal intent to commit second degree murder. Information about the incident that led to the arrest is limited.

    Collierville Police confirm Couch is accused of dousing his wife with gasoline, then threatening to light her on fire. Neighbors who live along Thornbuck Cove in Collierville expressed shock and surprise at the charges. "The allegations can't be true," said one neighbor.

    The Memphis Fire Department confirmed Couch worked for them, but a spokesperson told News Channel 3 Couch would not be back to work until the matter was settled. [/QUOTE]

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    wow, who would have thought that most of the "foreign fighters" come from outside of Iraq?!? :rolleyes:


    you do realize that the VAST MAJORITY (90-95% or more) of insurgents are Iraqis, right?

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    [QUOTE=Tanginius]wow, who would have thought that most of the "foreign fighters" come from outside of Iraq?!? :rolleyes:


    you do realize that the VAST MAJORITY (90-95% or more) of insurgents are Iraqis, right?[/QUOTE]

    The likely hood is there is both a civil war going on between Iraqis and there is a huge influx of foreign fighters there specifically to kill US serviceman.

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    [QUOTE=Tanginius]wow, who would have thought that most of the "foreign fighters" come from outside of Iraq?!? :rolleyes:


    you do realize that the VAST MAJORITY (90-95% or more) of insurgents are Iraqis, right?[/QUOTE]

    :yes:

    A whopping 70% of FOREIGN fighters in Iraq came from Persian Gulf countries. Shocking. :rolleyes:

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    [QUOTE=Winstonbiggs]The likely hood is there is both a civil war going on between Iraqis and there is a huge influx of foreign fighters there specifically to kill US serviceman.[/QUOTE]


    huge influx compared to what?!? Definitely NOT huge compared to the Iraqi insurgency

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    [QUOTE=Tanginius]huge influx compared to what?!? Definitely NOT huge compared to the Iraqi insurgency[/QUOTE]

    You can't ignore the fact that foreign fighters are both in Iraq and supplying and training the homegrown insurgency on both sides. Weapons and money are flowing in from Iran, Syria and Saudi Arabia, without them the insurgency would be much more contained.

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    [QUOTE=Winstonbiggs]You can't ignore the fact that foreign fighters are both in Iraq and supplying and training the homegrown insurgency on both sides. Weapons and money are flowing in from Iran, Syria and Saudi Arabia, without them the insurgency would be much more contained.[/QUOTE]

    I must've missed where I said that...


    we've been talking the whole time in this thread about the number of insurgents, no?

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    remember when Cheney told us all we'd be welcomed with flowers?

    what a joke. the American public has been scammed.

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    [QUOTE=Tanginius]I must've missed where I said that...


    we've been talking the whole time in this thread about the number of insurgents, no?[/QUOTE]

    I conceade the point. Ther is no question that the number of foreign born fighters in Iraq are a fraction of the numbers who are Iraqi.

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    [QUOTE=Tanginius]wow, who would have thought that most of the "foreign fighters" come from outside of Iraq?!? :rolleyes:


    you do realize that the VAST MAJORITY (90-95% or more) of insurgents are Iraqis, right?[/QUOTE]

    pulling numbers from the air again (ala your algore had the election stolen arguement)??

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    [QUOTE=Winstonbiggs]I conceade the point. Ther is no question that the number of foreign born fighters in Iraq are a fraction of the numbers who are Iraqi.[/QUOTE]


    We just need CBTNY to grasp that!


    And you're totally right about arms and training... Iran is fighting a proxy war with us (just another reason on top of the 100 other reasons why we shouldn't have invaded Iraq)

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY]pulling numbers from the air again (ala your algore had the election stolen arguement)??[/QUOTE]


    You want me to pull the links again? I've hammered you on this before... shown links where we estimate 1200-1500 foreign fighters in Iraq compared to tens upon tens of thousands or one hundred thousand or more Iraqi insurgents

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    [QUOTE=Winstonbiggs]I conceade the point. Ther is no question that the number of foreign born fighters in Iraq are a fraction of the numbers who are Iraqi.[/QUOTE]

    Most US Government Estimates and Experts on the ME including the Generals on the ground have placed the percentage of foreign fighters making up the insurgency as no more than 10-15% of the total the insurgency. Yes they may be responsible for the more "spectacular" attacks, but even without the presence of foreign fighters, Iraq would remain in a civil war and the insurgency would still be strong.

    The fact that CBNY put this post up is laughable. No $hit the majority of foreign countries come from other countries. And the fact that they come from the Gulf is even less of a surprise. So what was your point CBNY? That 70% of the foreign fighters that make up 10% of the total insurgency come from the Gulf??? How does that change anything?

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    [QUOTE=Tanginius]You want me to pull the links again? I've hammered you on this before... shown links where we estimate 1200-1500 foreign fighters in Iraq compared to tens upon tens of thousands or one hundred thousand or more Iraqi insurgents[/QUOTE]


    you've been smoked [B]every time [/B] you've tried to challenge me with sourced information....

    whether it was your incompetence in claiming there were no claims by the liberal media that Iraq had WMD prior to 2000 or you inability to show a shred of evidence algore had the election stolen...

    the fact is there are large numbers of foriegn fighters in Iraq....they are not there to help the situation...
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    [QUOTE=kennyo7]Most US Government Estimates and Experts on the ME including the Generals on the ground have placed the percentage of foreign fighters making up the insurgency as no more than 10-15% of the total the insurgency. Yes they may be responsible for the more "spectacular" attacks, but even without the presence of foreign fighters, Iraq would remain in a civil war and the insurgency would still be strong.

    The fact that CBNY put this post up is laughable. No $hit the majority of foreign countries come from other countries. And the fact that they come from the Gulf is even less of a surprise. So what was your point CBNY? That 70% of the foreign fighters that make up 10% of the total insurgency come from the Gulf??? How does that change anything?[/QUOTE]


    You don't know how strong they would be. There is no question they are being armed, supplied with weapons, money, training and provisions along with fighters and military expertise that are coming from outside Iraq.

    Wars are won by the ability to overwhelm the enemy with more equipment, money, food and supplies. Most armies are defeated by a winding down of provisions and an inability to resupply.

    We see the same thing in the Palestinian territories and in Lebanon. The insurgents have been rearmed almost instantly from outside the country.

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY]you've been smoked [B]every time [/B] you've tried to challenge me with sourced information....

    whether it was your incompetence in claiming there were no claims by the liberal media that Iraq had WMD prior to 2000 or you inability to show a shred of evidence algore had the election stolen...

    the fact is there are large numbers of foriegn fighters in Iraq....they are not there to help the situation...[/QUOTE]

    btw: my bad...it wasn't the Iraqi/WMD you got b!tchslapped on- it was your contention the liberal media never claimed there were connections between AQ/OBL and Iraq/Hussien prior to 2000....

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    [QUOTE=Winstonbiggs]You don't know how strong they would be. There is no question they are being armed, supplied with weapons, money, training and provisions along with fighters and military expertise that are coming from outside Iraq.

    Wars are won by the ability to overwhelm the enemy with more equipment, money, food and supplies. Most armies are defeated by a winding down of provisions and an inability to resupply.

    We see the same thing in the Palestinian territories and in Lebanon. The insurgents have been rearmed almost instantly from outside the country.[/QUOTE]

    True, to a point. The majority of the insurgency is already well trained, because they are made up of the Sadaams Military. To assume they are receiving aid form Islamists/AQ types is quite a leap, esp when considering their philosophies are clashing. It is more likely that they receive aid from othe Sunnis including our "allies" in the House of Saud, and members of the Baath in Turkey, Syria and Jordan.

    On the otherhand the govt we are supporting in Iraq is known to have ties to Iran and is clearly supporting the Shia Death Squads who are likely getting their aid from Iran with Maliki at worse approving of this or at best simply turning a blind eye to it.

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY]you've been smoked [B]every time [/B] you've tried to challenge me with sourced information....

    whether it was your incompetence in claiming there were no claims by the liberal media that Iraq had WMD prior to 2000 or you inability to show a shred of evidence algore had the election stolen...

    [B]the fact is there are large numbers of foriegn fighters in Iraq....they are not there to help the situation[/B]...[/QUOTE]

    The Fact is that foreign fighters make up no more than 10-15% of the insurgency

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY]you've been smoked [B]every time [/B] you've tried to challenge me with sourced information....

    whether it was your incompetence in claiming there were no claims by the liberal media that Iraq had WMD prior to 2000 or you inability to show a shred of evidence algore had the election stolen...

    the fact is there are large numbers of foriegn fighters in Iraq....they are not there to help the situation...[/QUOTE]



    HAHAHAHA sssuuuurrrrreeeeee

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