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    Hillary Clinton: Socialist

    [QUOTE=Yahoo News]MANCHESTER, N.H. - Presidential hopeful Hillary Rodham Clinton outlined a broad economic vision Tuesday, saying it's time to replace an "on your own" society with one based on shared responsibility and prosperity.

    The Democratic senator said what the Bush administration touts as an ownership society really is an "on your own" society that has widened the gap between rich and poor.

    "I prefer a 'we're all in it together' society," she said. "I believe our government can once again work for all Americans. It can promote the great American tradition of opportunity for all and special privileges for none."

    That means pairing growth with fairness, she said, to ensure that the middle-class succeeds in the global economy, not just corporate CEOs.

    "There is no greater force for economic growth than free markets. But markets work best with rules that promote our values, protect our workers and give all people a chance to succeed," she said. "Fairness doesn't just happen. It requires the right government policies."

    Clinton spoke at the Manchester School of Technology, which trains high school students for careers in the construction, automotive, graphic arts and other industries. The school highlighted one of the nine goals she outlined: increasing support for alternative schools and community colleges.

    "We have sent a message to our young people that if you don't go to college ... that you're thought less of in America. We have to stop this," she said.

    Beyond education, Clinton said she would reduce special breaks for corporations, eliminate tax incentives for companies that ship jobs overseas and open up CEO pay to greater public scrutiny.

    Clinton also said she would help people save more money by expanding and simplifying the earned income tax credit; create new jobs by pursuing energy independence; and ensure that every American has affordable health insurance.

    Beyond education, Clinton said she would reduce special breaks for corporations, eliminate tax incentives for companies that ship jobs overseas and open up CEO pay to greater public scrutiny.

    In 1965, the average corporate chief executive earned 24 times as much as the average worker, she said. By 2005, it was 262 times as much. In the last six years, productivity has increased, but family incomes have gone down, she said, leading to rising inequality and pessimism in the work force.

    "It's not as if America hasn't been successful these last six years, but the measure of success does not relate to what's happening in households across our country," she said. "It's like trickle down economics, without the trickle."[/QUOTE]


    Interesting that they didn't include the actual quote Ms. Clinton used, saying that if elected she would work to move away from a "On your own" Economic System (i.e personal responsabillity, Capitalism) to a "All in it togther" system (State Responsabillity/Socialism).

    If you hear the speech, which I heard this morning on local radio, it couldn't be more clear that Ms. Clinton places a high value of Socialist ideology, and has some true dislike of personal responsabillity and Capitalism.

    Not a shock, but interesting to see it said so openly. Most Liberals in the past have tried to hide their more socialist leanings publicly.

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    i just can't imagine Hillary winning the democratic nod. she is unelectable for many reasons, this is only one of them.

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    So who wins then Bit? Edwards or Obama?

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    [QUOTE=Warfish]Interesting that they didn't include the actual quote Ms. Clinton used, saying that if elected she would work to move away from a "On your own" Economic System (i.e personal responsabillity, Capitalism) to a "All in it togther" system (State Responsabillity/Socialism).[/QUOTE]
    Did she give any details as to how the system should work? Any specifics? Or was it just idealistic, political BS?

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    [QUOTE=RutgersJetFan]Did she give any details as to how the system should work? Any specifics? Or was it just idealistic, political BS?[/QUOTE]

    No real working details (do they ever really give those in speeches?), nor did she explain how she was going to fund it, although one can assume vastly higher taxes as a given.

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    [QUOTE=Warfish]No real working details (do they ever really give those in speeches?), nor did she explain how she was going to fund it, although one can assume vastly higher taxes as a given.[/QUOTE]
    I hate this woman.

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    [QUOTE=bitonti]i just can't imagine Hillary winning the democratic nod. she is unelectable for many reasons, this is only one of them.[/QUOTE]


    don't worry, Al will save the day come fall and I'll actually wind up voting for a major party Presidential candidate for the 2nd time in my life

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    When politicians start flapping their gums about 'fairness' it's time to hide your wallet!

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    [QUOTE=Warfish]So who wins then Bit? Edwards or Obama?[/QUOTE]


    call me crazy but i think it will be Obama

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    [QUOTE=bitonti]call me crazy but i think it will be Obama[/QUOTE]

    And you're already on record saying the Repubs have no chance to win the election.

    So tell me then Bit, what will an Obama Presidency bring about over his first Four years? Give me a little preview/overview as you see things.

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    knowing the democrats luck probably a huge terrorist attack the day after inaugeration and impeachment to follow.

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    [QUOTE=bitonti]knowing the democrats luck probably a huge terrorist attack the day after inaugeration and impeachment to follow.[/QUOTE]

    Come on bro, I am serious here. Tell me, as a Liberal Independant who likes Obama, what you see for his as President.

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    not really joking all that much. 08 is probably slam dunk democratic victory whoever runs - but it's also been about 7 years since 9-11, which was about 7 years from WTC in 1993 - it would not surprise me if the next major terrorist attack happens right around the time the democrats get control of everything.

    assuming Obama (or whoever) can rule without that problem, I expect his presidency to be alot about undoing the wreckage of the Bush presidency. Increased funding to starving municipalities, some sort of compromised way out of Iraq, healing the military and national guard, et cetera. I expect real climate control legislation, real support of the sciences and NASA, and hopefully re-establishing all the diplomatic relationships Condi and Bush have been pissing on for the last few years. Whoever wins in 08 will have their work cut out for them, it's not like Bush's approval rating is at historical lows because he's doing such a great job. In a dream world there could be tort and campaign finance reform, less pandering to corporations, a real alternative energy strategy, but that's probably asking too much from any candidate from either of the two major parties.

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    [QUOTE=Warfish]So who wins then Bit? Edwards or Obama?[/QUOTE]


    Obama wins, as Gore's veep

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    back to the hillary policy, it's funny how Americans are widely against taxing the rich but when it comes right down to it, they aren't really as rich as they think they are. Americans like to believe that a tax on people who make more than 200k will affect them, either currently or someday but the fact is it probably won't.

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    [QUOTE=Tanginius]Obama wins, as Gore's veep[/QUOTE]

    Gore, eh? Thats right, you've said before you think he's got the best shot of Dems, and you like him.

    All I can say is don't get your hopes up. I fully beleive the Dems are going to win big in 2008......but it won't be Gore. I'd bet good money he won't even run unless something really big (and bad) happens to one or more of the major Dem candidates (Clinton/Edwards/Obama).

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    [QUOTE=bitonti]back to the hillary policy, it's funny how Americans are widely against taxing the rich but when it comes right down to it, they aren't really as rich as they think they are. Americans like to believe that a tax on people who make more than 200k will affect them, either currently or someday but the fact is it probably won't.[/QUOTE]
    Well, tax rates were cut on every bracket... do you think caps on dividend/cap gain income is "only for the rich?"

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    Vladimir Lenin said that a central bank was 90% of communizing/socializing a nation.

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    [QUOTE=BrooklynBound]Well, tax rates were cut on every bracket... do you think caps on dividend/cap gain income is "only for the rich?"[/QUOTE]

    yes. poor people don't have dividends or capital gains. it helps the market at large but that's a seperate issue.

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    [QUOTE=bitonti]yes. poor people don't have dividends or capital gains. it helps the market at large but that's a seperate issue.[/QUOTE]

    He asked you if divs and cap gains are only for the rich, he didn't ask about poor people. Many, many, many Americans own stocks either directly or through mutual funds, not just rich people. The numbers of the investor class grow every year. And, frankly, very poor people don't even really pay taxes and so are largely unaffected by changing tax rates except by how those changes may effect economic growth. Poor people are helped by robust econonic growth and higher profit margins because those will spur capex projects, create jobs, etc. You can argue about how lowering rates on divs and cap gains affects the business cycle, that is a separate and more complex issue. But it is not only "rich" people who are affected.

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